Why do they ask you for 'salary expectations'?

[winseer]

Chris1207:
:lol:

“Exceeds NMW” (just!)

Yeh… Expect the range £6.51ph to £7.00ph.

"Salary builds up to this heady maximum - after six months free trial (free for us) and the successful (!!) applicant completing their assessment which will test their abilities at the non-driving work in particular…"

They don’t want a driver - they just want an office junior who’s just left school with a GCE in art, who was wondering “Dur… Where did this C+E licence come from? - I know! - I’ve got the same name as my Dad!”

[winseer]

eddie snax:

D-ya not?:
Forty six grand a year for thirty seven and a half hours work. The underpaid/overworked nhs, obviously hasn’t reached your neck of the woods.
To pack that in …you’d be nuts. Realise how well of you are before it’s too late.
And what happens with your pension?

I wonder how often a 37 and half hour week(which in the public sector does not include meal breaks, if you get a chance to get a meal break)is actually done, rarely I think, Never would it be less than the contracted hours, and rarely would any of the overtime be paid for, but it is as good as mandatory to do.

There are many whinging truckers who are under the misguided belief that the general public give a ******. Truth is, when you get talking to people from other walks off life, often on seemingly better wages, that it transpires that their pay reflects the actual responsibility, and corresponding stress that goes with their job.

The public not giving a ■■■■ about drivers - is part of the reason employers get away with taking the ■■■■ regarding T&Cs all the time. Truckers on strike does not lead to the public “losing out on day one of that strike”… If truckers nationwide were on strike for a fortnight on the other hand, British towns would become like Mogadishu & Khartoum by this point… That’s about the only way a “natioanl driver’s strike” could ever bring the country to it’s knees like Union strikes used to… Even the power to “only” bring London to a stop is more about the strike affecting a large amount of ordinary worker-hating public in London than it is about it being a “Union”.

Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

Truck driving ain’t stressful - providing you switch to nights at the earliest opportunity.
f— driving in London on days for provincial wages. Even as a class 2 newbie, I managed to pick an evening London duty rather than run the rat race in a rigid.

[nobodysdriving]

eddie snax:

D-ya not?:
Forty six grand a year for thirty seven and a half hours work. The underpaid/overworked nhs, obviously hasn’t reached your neck of the woods.
To pack that in …you’d be nuts. Realise how well of you are before it’s too late.
And what happens with your pension?

I wonder how often a 37 and half hour week(which in the public sector does not include meal breaks, if you get a chance to get a meal break)is actually done, rarely I think, Never would it be less than the contracted hours, and rarely would any of the overtime be paid for, but it is as good as mandatory to do.

There are many whinging truckers who are under the misguided belief that the general public give a ******. Truth is, when you get talking to people from other walks off life, often on seemingly better wages, that it transpires that their pay reflects the actual responsibility, and corresponding stress that goes with their job.

Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

yes you are correct Eddie…

I can count on my fingers how many times I’ve had a lunch break in my job in 13 years (yes I am not joking), I ALWAYS finish late and I ‘never’ get paid overtime.

If you look at ‘Agenda for change’ (NHS document about how we are ‘supposed’ to get paid’) it will say overtime should be paid at time and a half, I have never seen this AT ALL. They give us ‘time off in lieu’ instead but that is a P*** take as : 1) you have to ‘beg’ to have time off as they are always under-staffed and you may not get it back when you need it 2) time off means I don’t get paid time and a half as I get the same time I overworked (so if I worked 7 hours overtime I get 7 hours off but in a shift which is the ‘standard’ pay not time and a half and we do ‘not’ get 10 hours off so we lose out!).

We are stuck in the gutter as they say to us:

‘as a health professional you have to abide by the code of conduct and you have to be fit to practice’
what does that mean?
It means that if I do not get my break, I over-work and I am tired and something happens to a woman under my care I have broken my code of conduct as I was too tired to look after her…yet when there is no one to take over the care of a woman in labour who is in the middle of pushing her baby out and she and her baby have a trillion risk factors for something going wrong, what do you do? do you leave her to go home on time when no one else can take over her care? NO! because you have a heart and because you do not want to break your code of conduct, but if I stay and I make a mistake due to me being over tired I also break the code as I am ‘not fit to practice’

So we are in this kind of situation day in and day out, it is only a matter of time before it ‘explodes’ and indeed sometimes you will see on the news that so and so midwife did this and did that and a mother has died or a baby has died or suffered dire consequences to their health (or a doctor).

everything is always our fault by the way!

this is always on my mind too, so yes in this respect lorry driving is far less stressful

I wish we had a digi-tacho in midwifery: we would either all go home on time and have breaks OR we would all get struck off so there is no one left to look after people!!!

so in answer to d-ya not…

no I am not under paid, yes I am overworked (so are drivers )
but predominantly I would like to be able to stop worrying about the above (which is just ‘one’ example as to why I have had enough and wish to leave) and I also miss tramping

[eddie_snax]

Winseer:

eddie snax:

D-ya not?:
Forty six grand a year for thirty seven and a half hours work. The underpaid/overworked nhs, obviously hasn’t reached your neck of the woods.
To pack that in …you’d be nuts. Realise how well of you are before it’s too late.
And what happens with your pension?

I wonder how often a 37 and half hour week(which in the public sector does not include meal breaks, if you get a chance to get a meal break)is actually done, rarely I think, Never would it be less than the contracted hours, and rarely would any of the overtime be paid for, but it is as good as mandatory to do.

There are many whinging truckers who are under the misguided belief that the general public give a ******. Truth is, when you get talking to people from other walks off life, often on seemingly better wages, that it transpires that their pay reflects the actual responsibility, and corresponding stress that goes with their job.

The public not giving a ■■■■ about drivers - is part of the reason employers get away with taking the ■■■■ regarding T&Cs all the time. Truckers on strike does not lead to the public “losing out on day one of that strike”… If truckers nationwide were on strike for a fortnight on the other hand, British towns would become like Mogadishu & Khartoum by this point… That’s about the only way a “natioanl driver’s strike” could ever bring the country to it’s knees like Union strikes used to… Even the power to “only” bring London to a stop is more about the strike affecting a large amount of ordinary worker-hating public in London than it is about it being a “Union”.

Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

Truck driving ain’t stressful - providing you switch to nights at the earliest opportunity.
f— driving in London on days for provincial wages. Even as a class 2 newbie, I managed to pick an evening London duty rather than run the rat race in a rigid.

I would ask who added the section I’ve highlighted in red to my earlier post.
Whether or not I agree or disagree with the said passage, it has been made to look like My views. I would happily have any off My views questioned, opposed or insulted, but I don’t wish to have My posts hijacked by another unwilling to reveal their views as their own

I would ask a Moderator to look at this passage, if possible remove it from quoted taken from an earlier post. I should read as follows

eddie snax:
I wonder how often a 37 and half hour week(which in the public sector does not include meal breaks, if you get a chance to get a meal break)is actually done, rarely I think, Never would it be less than the contracted hours, and rarely would any of the overtime be paid for, but it is as good as mandatory to do.

There are many whinging truckers who are under the misguided belief that the general public give a ******. Truth is, when you get talking to people from other walks off life, often on seemingly better wages, that it transpires that their pay reflects the actual responsibility, and corresponding stress that goes with their job.

Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

[eddie_snax]

Winseer:

eddie snax:
Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

Truck driving ain’t stressful - providing you switch to nights at the earliest opportunity.
f— driving in London on days for provincial wages. Even as a class 2 newbie, I managed to pick an evening London duty rather than run the rat race in a rigid.

Would have thought a Man of your experience would do that with your eyes closed

[winseer]

^^^^

When a cyclist gets killled, you never hear at the coroner’s inquest:-

“Mr David River turned left and fatally injured Mr I. Champagne when on hour 68 of his 75 hours of work this week. He has admitted being asleep at the wheel, and a winding up order for the small yard working their drivers illegal hours has been made. Mr Bloggs of Bloggs & Co Hauliers has been sent to jail for insurance fraud, and corporate manslaughter.”

Until the system that puts the right people in jail is in place - the deaths can only continue.
The same applies to the NHS which you give in your examples above.
Patients can die as often as they like - providing no overpaid NHS suit gets held personally responsible for it. If it’s just a huge damages claim, they can just cough up out of next year’s budget, and neglect patient care further with some additional cuts to make up the money elsewhere - and this is exactly what happens of course, - rinse and repeat…

[winseer]

eddie snax:

Winseer:

eddie snax:
Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

Truck driving ain’t stressful - providing you switch to nights at the earliest opportunity.
f— driving in London on days for provincial wages. Even as a class 2 newbie, I managed to pick an evening London duty rather than run the rat race in a rigid.

Would have thought a Man of your experience would do that with your eyes closed

Where do you think I learned how to do that?

[d-ya_not]

nobodysdriving:

eddie snax:

D-ya not?:
Forty six grand a year for thirty seven and a half hours work. The underpaid/overworked nhs, obviously hasn’t reached your neck of the woods.
To pack that in …you’d be nuts. Realise how well of you are before it’s too late.
And what happens with your pension?

I wonder how often a 37 and half hour week(which in the public sector does not include meal breaks, if you get a chance to get a meal break)is actually done, rarely I think, Never would it be less than the contracted hours, and rarely would any of the overtime be paid for, but it is as good as mandatory to do.

There are many whinging truckers who are under the misguided belief that the general public give a ******. Truth is, when you get talking to people from other walks off life, often on seemingly better wages, that it transpires that their pay reflects the actual responsibility, and corresponding stress that goes with their job.

Truck Driving aint stressful, or is it just that I’ve done this life for so long that everything just sails over my head, because like the general public I no longer give a *****

yes you are correct Eddie…

I can count on my fingers how many times I’ve had a lunch break in my job in 13 years (yes I am not joking), I ALWAYS finish late and I ‘never’ get paid overtime.

If you look at ‘Agenda for change’ (NHS document about how we are ‘supposed’ to get paid’) it will say overtime should be paid at time and a half, I have never seen this AT ALL. They give us ‘time off in lieu’ instead but that is a P*** take as : 1) you have to ‘beg’ to have time off as they are always under-staffed and you may not get it back when you need it 2) time off means I don’t get paid time and a half as I get the same time I overworked (so if I worked 7 hours overtime I get 7 hours off but in a shift which is the ‘standard’ pay not time and a half and we do ‘not’ get 10 hours off so we lose out!).

We are stuck in the gutter as they say to us:

‘as a health professional you have to abide by the code of conduct and you have to be fit to practice’
what does that mean?
It means that if I do not get my break, I over-work and I am tired and something happens to a woman under my care I have broken my code of conduct as I was too tired to look after her…yet when there is no one to take over the care of a woman in labour who is in the middle of pushing her baby out and she and her baby have a trillion risk factors for something going wrong, what do you do? do you leave her to go home on time when no one else can take over her care? NO! because you have a heart and because you do not want to break your code of conduct, but if I stay and I make a mistake due to me being over tired I also break the code as I am ‘not fit to practice’

So we are in this kind of situation day in and day out, it is only a matter of time before it ‘explodes’ and indeed sometimes you will see on the news that so and so midwife did this and did that and a mother has died or a baby has died or suffered dire consequences to their health (or a doctor).

everything is always our fault by the way!

this is always on my mind too, so yes in this respect lorry driving is far less stressful

I wish we had a digi-tacho in midwifery: we would either all go home on time and have breaks OR we would all get struck off so there is no one left to look after people!!!

so in answer to d-ya not…

no I am not under paid, yes I am overworked (so are drivers )
but predominantly I would like to be able to stop worrying about the above (which is just ‘one’ example as to why I have had enough and wish to leave) and I also miss tramping

long winded reply, but you dodged the pension question?
Let me guess, you’ve had enough, take early retirement with a nice pension, play at trucking for a while, then back into the nhs, maybe even via agency, when you you find trucking isn’t all that you expected…probably by the middle of your first week.

[evil8beezle]

nobodysdriving said the pension could be topped up and kept running.

[nobodysdriving]

D-ya not?:
long winded reply, but you dodged the pension question?

‘sorry’ D-ya not

pension: I would not lose this as I can keep paying into it by doing ad-hoc shifts (they call them ‘bank shifts’ in the NHS, it’s ‘temping’) and then because I stay in the scheme I can top it up if I wish.

[nobodysdriving]

Evil8Beezle:
nobodysdriving said the pension could be topped up and kept running.

thanks

[d-ya_not]

It’s rare to get an insight into the abuse that goes on in the nhs. So thanks for that!
I find it abhorrent the way you are working the system. Nhs in crisis…What crisis?

[joe_royal]

My answer would be “somewhere in the region of 150 a day”

I ended up with 135

[nobodysdriving]

joe royal:
My answer would be “somewhere in the region of 150 a day”

I ended up with 135

thank you for the tip

[eddie_snax]

D-ya not?:
It’s rare to get an insight into the abuse that goes on in the nhs. So thanks for that!
I find it abhorrent the way you are working the system. Nhs in crisis…What crisis?

Priceless

Our dog was a bit off colour a week or so back, had Diarrhoea anyway it went on 3-4 days so the Mrs took her to the Vet, that consultation lasted 15 minutes, the Dog had a Jab and some tablets to bring home. I had a bill for 80 odd quid. It makes you realise that if a Vet is worth that for the health off your Pet, then what the NHS providers worth if we all had to pay per visit.

If an NHS practitioner can leave(to save their sanity), but return on an adhoc basis to help staffing, and in the process keep their pension topped, then who are we to complain, I certainly don’t want to be looking to pay every time I visit the NHS.

Off topic sorry

[mercury]

The price for being professional is never popularity…

[winseer]

mercury:
The price for being professional is never popularity…

Sure it is… Being Professional is often seen as “being a bit of a knob”, as is the incorrect use of a negated positive clause in the English language.

Me? - I’ve got no excuses either. Had to sit English Language twice at school to get the pass.

[swampey2418]

Davina

Been there got the T shirt… worked for a company for 20 years plus as a manager… job bored me ■■■■■■■■ by the end I hated every day of work…

If your not happy at work with the NHS then its time to get out and follow your heart on which career path you want… if it doesnt work out then as youv’e stated … private sector and agency …thus still keeping a hand in with driving…

[evolved]

as long as im paid weekly.

[constantine]

Captain Caveman 76:
Like you I gave up a “respectable career” to drive lorries. If I had read this forum beforehand I wouldn’t have bothered! What a lot of people on here don’t seem to realise is that people in other careers are as fed up with their lot as lorry drivers are!! Whilst I dare say this job isn’t what it used to be, as a newbie, I’ve found trucking to be very enjoyable. At the end of the day, should I get fed up of it, I can always return to my previous career. Hopefully with fresh enthusiasm.

+2 I gave up a “respectable career” which turned into a nightmare from hell before becoming a lorryor/lorryist or even enter into the world of lorrying or whatever the latest buzz word is.

I’ve had 4 jobs in haulage. One average, one good, the next one terrible in lorry driving terms but still not as bad as my professional career finally the last one awesome.

The next one who knows but it’ll never be as bad as my professional career or that terrible second job. As I’m becoming wiser, as are a few others (not all though - ) now deciding to enter or relatively new into this career.

Like they say in any career there’ll always be those who can, the screamers and those who can’t or don’t want to anymore. Unfortunately more and more of us are in the last category including myself from the professional career side of things.

I haven’t yet hit that last category in haulage yet, but one day that may come. Until then “sadly” for me and this “low skilled job that most on here seem to be proud of and want brag on here that they reckon it is” its been a very rewarding and extremely well paid job for me personally.

Like in all careers its best to have a plan where you are going to and what you want to do and how you are going to get to it. Not just bumble through it and hope that luck will carry you through, it don’t work like that in this world anymore and something all of us must realise including me!

C