Seem to have touched a nerve there. Its quite simple - you watched while somebody committed a crime which could undermine the company. Just saying.
I think that what a lot of people are now waking up to is that you can’t have Western wages and Eastern prices forever…
After the DCPC kicks in, wages will rise, as they did when the HGV licences came in. Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.
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Dave the Renegade:
After the DCPC kicks in, wages will rise, as they did when the HGV licences came in. Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.
But will wages rise enough to cover the cost of gaining the DCPC for those daft enough to pay for it out of their own pocket?
Wages are going to rise in the next few years anyway, even the most stupid amongst us are beginning to realise that they’ve been short changed, somewhat, just recently.
Harry Monk:
I think that what a lot of people are now waking up to is that you can’t have Western wages and Eastern prices forever…
That sounds the wrong way round Harry considering the way that wages are falling behind prices in real terms together with the rigged over supply of the labour market.Until/Unless we manage to throw out the agenda of the bankers and CBI etc who are running the scam they’ll at least try to keep that situation going as long as possible.Probably at least to the point where they’ve brought the developed Western economies down to where they were in the early late 19th/early 20th century in real terms of working class living standards.
Lorn trakta:
Dave the Renegade:
After the DCPC kicks in, wages will rise, as they did when the HGV licences came in. Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.Funniest thing I’ve read in a long while, assuming your not having a laugh how does the ‘mechanics’ of that scenario work?.
Simple, as a lot of drivers aren’t doing the DCPC. Shortage of drivers. Higher wages to recruit new drivers, as with the HGV licence. Funny or not, that’s what happened in 1970.
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Dave the Renegade:
Lorn trakta:
Dave the Renegade:
After the DCPC kicks in, wages will rise, as they did when the HGV licences came in. Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.Funniest thing I’ve read in a long while, assuming your not having a laugh how does the ‘mechanics’ of that scenario work?.
Simple, as a lot of drivers aren’t doing the DCPC. Shortage of drivers. Higher wages to recruit new drivers, as with the HGV licence. Funny or not, that’s what happened in 1970.
You’re comparing apples with oranges.In that there was a massive difference in circumstances between then and now.In the case of the former you’re talking about a different pre EU economy that was growing at a higher rate with less overall taxation,lower fuel costs and running costs.With the result of more freight to shift over longer distances that could be shifted by road for less overall cost,with an overall lower unemployment rate.Whereas now it’s the worst of all circumstances in the combination of low growth,high overall labour supply,massively higher fuel costs as a proportion of revenue and less demand with less freight being needed to be shifted and lower distances.
The DCPC factor will be a drop in the ocean compared to all that with the issue of drivers not wanting to spend their time on short haul zb work,with excessive modern day regulation,for bus drivers’ wages ( if they’re lucky ),being the more of a deterrent against anyone choosing the modern day job of a driver.However the choice between that or working in a warehouse for 10-12 hours per day etc etc will probably still keep the job in demand amongst job seekers and immigrant labour thereby more than offsetting any shortfall.
Lorn trakta:
Dave the Renegade:
Lorn trakta:
Dave the Renegade:
After the DCPC kicks in, wages will rise, as they did when the HGV licences came in. Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.Funniest thing I’ve read in a long while, assuming your not having a laugh how does the ‘mechanics’ of that scenario work?.
Simple, as a lot of drivers aren’t doing the DCPC. Shortage of drivers. Higher wages to recruit new drivers, as with the HGV licence. Funny or not, that’s what happened in 1970.
I’ll grant you I won’t be doing it but I’ve got little doubt that most claiming they aren’t going to are good at talking the talk but when it comes down to it most have little or no other work to turn to, they’ll do it, it could have an effect if a good few thousand drivers actually postpone doing it causing a shortage of unknown duration which might see mild panic and an accompanying uplift in the wages market until the numbers are restored that is.
We will have to wait until September to see how many of the drivers who are saying that they aren’t doing the DCPC, actually stick to their guns and quit. I know a lot of drivers in this area already have, and others who will quit the job.
But as you say, time will tell.
At the course… at 48 I was one of the youngest there in a full class, the oldest being 72.
Plenty of drivers “were going to hang up their keys, but can’t afford to retire 'cos their pension was looted” or whatever.
Bearing in mind one has to renew one’s licence every year from age 70, I was quite surprised anyone of that age turned up at all!
Dave the Renegade:
After the DCPC kicks in, wages will rise, as they did when the HGV licences came in. Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.
Most jobs advertised now seem to want you to have or started doing your DCPC, still only paying the same pay as before so don’t think they will rise.
Dave the Renegade:
Eastern Europeans can’t fill all the jobs.
Bloody Hell Dave, an Eastern European couldn’t fill a job where I work. He lasted two days before getting the bootski. 
rambo19:
If we were all in a union would it make any difference?, I think not.
It does for us. FACT
a similar thing happened in the security industry a couple of years ago SIA training/ licence every one said wages would go up, did they? no, simple reason is the training costs ect have to be covered somewhere and its just another cost to the industry
It is because they know their place.The boss can not pay fair wages because of the continued increase in costs ie Euro 5,6 flouresant sticky tape .diesel,driver cpc,cheap foreign competion.I think the most important thing on the truck the driver comes well down the pecking order when it comes to pay
fuse:
It is because they know their place.The boss can not pay fair wages because of the continued increase in costs ie Euro 5,6 flouresant sticky tape .diesel,driver cpc,cheap foreign competion.I think the most important thing on the truck the driver comes well down the pecking order when it comes to pay
There are two seperate issues in that case.The first is that old one of the line between the interests of the employers as opposed to the workers in terms of wages,which obviously includes the issue of the use of cheap immigrant labour.While the second is the one of excessive costs on the industry which is compromising the employers’ ability to pay even if they wanted to.Many of which,like fuel taxation,are just about rigging the transport market in favour of rail.There’d be more chance of sorting out all those issues with a strong united union that’s prepared and able to bring the whole road transport industry to a standstill on an organised basis than there is without it.
My firm has just put three new volvo roll on offs on the road all euro5 the fitter was saying same motor at euro 6 spec is 11k more. Our customers are mad on recycling and reducing there enviromental footprint but do you recon they would pay a premium for a euro6
if there was a major strike of drivers it would,nt work, look at the fuel blockades, initially a large percentage of the public were with the hauliers but when it started to hit home the percentage of support seriously dropped, even though the blockade was maybe an attempt to help everyone by reducing fuel costs, imagine the problems if the haulage industry came to a stop because of a strike wanting higher wages… even drivers turned against their own when tanker drivers were discussing strike action, or the tesco,s drivers at doncaster, i think it was…
fuse:
It is because they know their place.The boss can not pay fair wages because of the continued increase in costs ie Euro 5,6 flouresant sticky tape .diesel,driver cpc,cheap foreign competion.I think the most important thing on the truck the driver comes well down the pecking order when it comes to pay
This sums it up, all the extra costs have to be absorbed as rates are not keeping up with inflation, let alone everything else, the haulier has no choice but to pay them.
Whereas drivers are, as Harry’s supply and demand statement proves, ten a penny, so the haulier cuts costs in the easiest place, wages.
It isn’t personal or condescending, the hauliers are in the same boat, even the big guns like Stobart are being dictated to by the mega corporations as to what the rate will be and by government as to how much things will cost.
Fuel prices will never come down as the current price per barrel makes the Shale Oil they’re fracking out of the ground in the USA is now competitive and the Rothchilds and the rest are getting richer by the second.