So…
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 2 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 4 hour…is illegal
Think this thread proves its all a load of ball hooks. Whatever the rules we all do as we like.
commonrail:
So…
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 2 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 4 hour…is illegal
Yes. Your second 30 minute break reset the driving clock and, after that second 30 minute break, you have driven for 6 hours with only 30 minutes of break.
So i can’t use the 3rd 30 min break to reset?
I’ve never used POA, with the work I do I’ve not need to but I dint see why I’d ever use it. I’m either on other work, driving or break.
commonrail:
So…
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 2 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 4 hour…is illegal
It certainly is - That 2 hour break reset your driving time and you have then driven six hours with only a 30 minute break. I think under the current DVSA sanctions policy that one counts as “Serious”. Silly as it may sound, if you’d only put it on Break for 15 minutes during that 2 hour period (and used POA or even Other Work for the remaining 1hr 45m) you would have been fine. Which is pretty much exactly the point happysack was making…
■■■■■■■ hallelujah. This is covered in the cpc which I’m sure you have?
I got 100% in the drivers hours test.
I won a yorkie for it.
All it proves to me is that you didn’t have to use poa, you could use other work, and why are you tipping on break anyway?
And no, it’s not nessessarily covered in the dcpc, even though I think it should be a core subject but that’s another thread.
And i did exactly the same course the week after and let my mate copy,and we both won a yorkie
BillyHunt:
All it proves to me is that you didn’t have to use poa, you could use other work, and why are you tipping on break anyway?
And no, it’s not nessessarily covered in the dcpc, even though I think it should be a core subject but that’s another thread.
You might need to record some POA in order to avoid showing 6 hours work without a break though. And this is the point happysack was making. Although exceeding 6 hours working would only be a WTD infringement so no biggie.
Thank you roymondo. I think a few folk on here would be happy if they were parked 10 minutes from the yard because they would have another night in their big Scania.
Wow. A couple of experienced members proving they don’t have as good a grasp
of the rules as they thought they did.
BillyHunt:
All it proves to me is that you didn’t have to use poa, you could use other work, and why are you tipping on break anyway?
And no, it’s not nessessarily covered in the dcpc, even though I think it should be a core subject but that’s another thread.
So if you are on a loading bay for 2 hours, you would keep it on other work? Let’s say it’s a back door load. You have opened the doors and reversed onto the bay. You then toddle off and sit in a waiting room or canteen. Or even your cab. 2 hours later you are given your paperwork and you can go. Would you have just used 2 hours other work or poa?
Let’s also say you are on a set run. Every day you drive a total of 8 hours and spend 3 hours on bays. This gives you 11 hours of working time every day,55 hours a week. At the end of the reference period your hours will be sky high and you will more than likely be given a couple of days off, unpaid, to compensate.
I used to do a set run, 2 hrs run trailer swap, 2 hrs run trailer swap, 2 hrs run trailer swap, 2 hrs back to base. The first swap could be 15 mins to 1 hrs wait depending if the trailer was ready. I would take a 15 there, but after 30 mins put it on other work, then take the remaining 30 after the second swap. This was to prevent me taking a second 45. I call it time management.
isaac hunt:
Wow. A couple of experienced members proving they don’t have as good a grasp
of the rules as they thought they did.
Just goes to show,you never stop learning 
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins
Drive 1 hour
Break 30 mins = 4.5 HOUR DRIVING TIME CLOCK RESET AT THIS POINT
Drive 2 hour
Break 30 mins = COUNTS AS FIRST 15 MINS OF SECOND SPLIT DRIVING TIME BREAK = 2.5 HOURS DRIVING BEFORE 30 MIN BREAK NEEDED
Drive 4 hour…is illegal
LOGICALLY AND SAFETY WISE THIS IS TOTALLY DAFT TO BE ILLEGAL BUT WHO SAID LAWS WERE BASED ON COMMON SENSE !!!
Yep…a complete load of bollox
Oops
happysack:
BillyHunt:
All it proves to me is that you didn’t have to use poa, you could use other work, and why are you tipping on break anyway?
And no, it’s not nessessarily covered in the dcpc, even though I think it should be a core subject but that’s another thread.So if you are on a loading bay for 2 hours, you would keep it on other work? Let’s say it’s a back door load. You have opened the doors and reversed onto the bay. You then toddle off and sit in a waiting room or canteen. Or even your cab. 2 hours later you are given your paperwork and you can go. Would you have just used 2 hours other work or poa?
Let’s also say you are on a set run. Every day you drive a total of 8 hours and spend 3 hours on bays. This gives you 11 hours of working time every day,55 hours a week. At the end of the reference period your hours will be sky high and you will more than likely be given a couple of days off, unpaid, to compensate.
In your first scenario I use other work, simply because I don’t know how long I’ll be there, and the unloaders won’t tell you how long it will be, so technically it cannot be used for poa. I’m at work, not on break but ready to work at anytime as I don’t know how long I’ll be on the bay, sometimes 10-15 mins sometimes 90 mins -2hrs. As for your second scenario I don’t do set runs, every day is different, so again I don’t use poa as I can manage my hours.
This whole thread shows just how ridiculous the POA situation is, as usual everyone has a different view on how it should work. In my opinion it should be simplified, or preferably scrapped altogether. You are either working, by driving, at work when loading/unloading/waiting, or on break or taking rest. Anything else is a fudge.