Can you not read
happysack:
Can you not read
No.
happysack:
Right you ■■■■ ends. If you get stuck 10 minutes from the yard on a friday night because you used break all day instead of carefully balancing breaks and poa, would you cry like babies or take it on the chin?
Well my little dew drop, if I found myself in this situation I would obviously start a new thread on here to find the answer, but the amount of buggers who dont understand how to manage their time is incredible, cba to quote the driving round the yard post from nick but how ■■■■■■■■ must you be to have to contemplate that. 
We are paid straight through no deductions for breaks so some days i show a few hours of break. Never use POA.
eagerbeaver:
POA is reserved for stobart drivers. It’s purpose is to extract every possible minute of work out of you.
If you don’t know how to use POA and the company does - You’ll be working 15-15-15-13-13-13-off-15-15-15-13-13-off-off every fortnight, which turned out to be what the big advert for £38k drivers was all about… Eurotramping 11 days out of 14 away from home. f— that!
If you know how to use POA and the company doesn’t - it’s happy days, providing you’re on a decent hourly rate and are paid by the hour. 
If you want to work long hours and your job entails hanging about poa is the only way to stay legal. If you work 40 hours a week it’s irrelevant. I like to do three or four long days and have the rest of the week off.
happysack:
If you get stuck 10 minutes from the yard on a friday night because you used break all day instead of carefully balancing breaks and poa,
Am I the only one who doesn’t get your point?
3 reasons to get stuck 10 minutes from gate,
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you run our of driving time, ie you reach 9 hrs and you don’t have a 10 available, or you have reached 10 hrs
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you have reached 13 hrs spreadover and dont have a reduced available, or you have reached 15 hr spreadover
or 3) you have reached 56 hrs work for the week
POA and break don’t count for working time, so that rules out 3, POA and break are included in the spreadover so that rules out 2, and as long as you have taken the breaks at the correct time, then 9 or 10 hours is still the max you can drive.
Indeed if you had taken a continuous break of 3 hrs and you had used all your reduced and you reached 13 hrs spreadover 10 mins from the gate, carry on drive as you can still work 15 hrs and get a full rest in.
Or am I missing something?
OK. School boy stuff here. You are on a leading bay but are delayed. You had a 15 minute break earlier in the day.
You are a 5 hour drive from the yard so you will need a 30 minute break to get back. If you are leave it on break while on the bay you will need a 45 minute break. All well and good but if you only have 5h30 spread over left you can’t get home if you have to take a 45. Rocket science I know.
happysack:
OK. School boy stuff here. You are on a leading bay but are delayed. You had a 15 minute break earlier in the day.
You are a 5 hour drive from the yard so you will need a 30 minute break to get back. If you are leave it on break while on the bay you will need a 45 minute break. All well and good but if you only have 5h30 spread over left you can’t get home if you have to take a 45. Rocket science I know.
Yep this would be an ideal time to use POA providing you had a fair idea how long the delay was, but doubt anyone would lock you up if you didnt. Even on a Friday though I would just park up a couple of hours from base or if I had to be back take the infingement.
15minutes is a very fine margin but could be the difference between getting home or not.
Or don’t work somewhere that requires you do 15 hour days, 60+ hours a week, nights out, spending hours on loading bays etc.
Oh I forgot, you wont get your superdooperxxl spacecab wagon with lights, fridge, air horns and kangaroo bars unless you do this sort of work.
Ah but if you took the infringement, your fellow mumsnet, er sorry trucknet, members would want you hung drawn and quartered for that heinous crime.
It’s all about time management. Some folk can manage their time, some can’t. We have drivers at our place who rack up unnecessary infringements galore through bad time management. They aren’t wilfully breaking the rules, they are just incapable of working a tachograph in a manner that is beneficial to them.
3 of our lads are looking at next week off unpaid as they are over their WTD hours over the reference period, my hours are averaging 45 over the same period. We do the same work so what is the difference? Well obviously they aren’t managing their time properly.
I personally do not and never have used POA for reasons I’ve stated before, but I do take every (legal) opportunity to stick it on break. Hell, sometimes I show 6 or 7 hours a day on break, which is no issue as we get paid for time at work regardless of breaks.
happysack:
OK. School boy stuff here. You are on a leading bay but are delayed. You had a 15 minute break earlier in the day.
You are a 5 hour drive from the yard so you will need a 30 minute break to get back. If you are leave it on break while on the bay you will need a 45 minute break. All well and good but if you only have 5h30 spread over left you can’t get home if you have to take a 45. Rocket science I know.
Why will you need a 45?
Just take a 30 before your first 4.5 hours are up.
Sigh. Read it again. But maybe more slowly.
How long have you drove before you took 15
You gone for your dinner?
Oh sorry. Let’s say for arguments sake 2 hours.
Ok…so your on the bay with 2 hours on the clock,interupted by a 15.you stick it on break whilst on the bay for 2 hours.
you pull of the bay and drive for 2.5 hours.you then take a 30 which gives you 4.5 hours to complete your journey.
commonrail:
Ok…so your on the bay with 2 hours on the clock,interupted by a 15.you stick it on break whilst on the bay for 2 hours.
you pull of the bay and drive for 2.5 hours.you then take a 30 which gives you 4.5 hours to complete your journey.
Doesn’t work - In the situation as stated, if you stick it on break for two hours while on the bay it resets your 4.5 hour drive time, leaving you with 5.5 hours “duty time” in which to do 5 hours’ driving and take a 45 minute break (30 minutes won’t be enough).