albion1971:
muckles they do have pass plus but unfortunately it is not compulsory.
This is the problem there is a lot to learn once you’ve passed your test, so maybe a few months behind the wheel knowing you have to take another test would focus on learning how to drive in more challenging conditions.
Correct me if ime wrong but in the h/code does it not state that the exit and access lanes to m/ways are acceleration and de-celeration lanes i.e.get your speed up before entering m/way.
regards dave.
dafdave:
Correct me if ime wrong but in the h/code does it not state that the exit and access lanes to m/ways are acceleration and de-celeration lanes i.e.get your speed up before entering m/way.
regards dave.
That’s what i was taught when i did an advanced course ,… on approach choose a gap to enter ,(front ,middle,or back of traffic)accelerate to match traffic speed and move into gap ,when the manouver is complete ,re assess your speed and move into lane 2 as appropriate using the same technique .If that is done correctly then no other users should have to break or move to allow you onto the motorway unless in really heavy traffic .It is bonkers that it needs a advanced course to learn how do that but hey ho ,this is England
Of course this does not allow for those drivers who try to re write the laws of physics to ensure they are in front of the lorry and find it incredulous that such a machine is allowed on the same road at the same time as them
martyh:
dafdave:
Correct me if ime wrong but in the h/code does it not state that the exit and access lanes to m/ways are acceleration and de-celeration lanes i.e.get your speed up before entering m/way.
regards dave.That’s what i was taught when i did an advanced course ,… on approach choose a gap to enter ,(front ,middle,or back of traffic)accelerate to match traffic speed and move into gap ,when the manouver is complete ,re assess your speed and move into lane 2 as appropriate using the same technique .If that is done correctly then no other users should have to break or move to allow you onto the motorway unless in really heavy traffic .It is bonkers that it needs a advanced course to learn how do that but hey ho ,this is England
Of course this does not allow for those drivers who try to re write the laws of physics to ensure they are in front of the lorry and find it incredulous that such a machine is allowed on the same road at the same time as them
Aye you are spot on there martyh.
regards dave.
Again totally agree muckles.The only way accidents will be reduced is by further education and changing peoples attitudes.
Instead of getting angry and impatient try to do something positive that will help or ease the situation.Be professional for once eh!
Yes dafdave but how many read the highway code after passing their test.Since the new theory test was introduced it seems they read it even less.Drivers need to learn instead of being ignorant.
I once had a conversation with a lad who regularly uses motorways to commute to/from work. His opinion was that lorries shouldn’t be allowed on motorways as they clog it up, especially in rush hour. Instead, he feels it more appropriate that we be given our own special roads. I was simply bemused at his thoughts, and told him to go away as he was irritating me.
Reubs766:
I once had a conversation with a lad who regularly uses motorways to commute to/from work. His opinion was that lorries shouldn’t be allowed on motorways as they clog it up, especially in rush hour. Instead, he feels it more appropriate that we be given our own special roads. I was simply bemused at his thoughts, and told him to go away as he was irritating me.
It probably would have been a waste of oxygen explaining how much the cost of his cornflakes and beer would go up if that theory was used ,or how he wouldn’t be able to get off his drive in the morning to use the lorry free motorways .
albion1971:
Again totally agree muckles.The only way accidents will be reduced is by further education and changing peoples attitudes.
Instead of getting angry and impatient try to do something positive that will help or ease the situation.Be professional for once eh!Yes dafdave but how many read the highway code after passing their test.Since the new theory test was introduced it seems they read it even less.Drivers need to learn instead of being ignorant.
You have a good point there mate
regards dave.
It does my ■■■■ in how car drivers join motorways. How ■■■■■■ hard is it to accelerate up to 55mph and then slot into a gap.
Also why the hell do people tailgate each other on sliproads instead of managing the gap. When is it ever going to be likely that there is going to be a gap in lane one for all 5, 6, or 7 of you plonkers to join nose to tail, let alone when you’ve an artic to the right of you tootling along at 56mph that you all expect to magically disappear by the end of the slip road allowing you all to join.
Race to the grave!!
Its a give way…you either speed up or filter in behind…wots hard about that ?..aresholes who try and bully you into lane 2…i dont move just stick to the 56…i would say majority of truck drivers do let you out because they dont want slowing down…no excuse for car drivers…common sense.
What’s worse is when you are joining a motorway on a two lane slip that narrows in to one lane and a car is overtaking you right where you join the mway.They moves on to lane one of the motorway and just sits there forcing you to either slow down, force him across (not recommended) or run on to the hard shoulder.
albion1938:
. And some of the instructors I’ve seen aren’t safe to be let out alone, never mind teaching somebody else. I can remember when the majority of instructors were ex- lorry or bus drivers, a lot were ex-police traffic drivers, proper drivers, nowadays anybody does it.
Bernard
+1 my partner has been learning to drive had many paid lessons with and instrutor and i also take her out but i question how thorough her paid tution is, test is tomorrow and i’ve had to teach her alot that the trainer seems to have just not bothered with.
Saaamon:
albion1938:
. And some of the instructors I’ve seen aren’t safe to be let out alone, never mind teaching somebody else. I can remember when the majority of instructors were ex- lorry or bus drivers, a lot were ex-police traffic drivers, proper drivers, nowadays anybody does it.
Bernard+1 my partner has been learning to drive had many paid lessons with and instrutor and i also take her out but i question how thorough her paid tution is, test is tomorrow and i’ve had to teach her alot that the trainer seems to have just not bothered with.
Interesting Saaamon but remember all car intructors must pass the ADI qualification before they can train anyone.
However I do agree that some may string things out a bit.Also remember nowadays they tend to teach them to pass the test rather than teach them to drive.Hope you have not filled your partners head with unnecessary stuff which is not required on test!
albion1971:
remember all car intructors must pass the ADI qualification before they can train anyone.
The part 2 ADI qual is supposed to be a check of their driving but it seems that it is only a test that they can drive like a learner so they can demonstrate to their pupils - at least thats they way I see it
I have had about half a dozen ADIs come to me for advanced driver training (the A in ADI stands for Approved not Advanced) and to be honest they could demonstrate ‘learner driving’ but were lacking in what I would term ‘overall driving ablity’
I expected them to be at least near LGV driver standard but was disapointed
It also seems from what I have observed locally that quite a few do not drive very well when a pupil is not in the car - not a good advert IMO especially with their driving school name board prominently displayed !!
LGV drivers can ‘breeze’ the advanced test 
i think most car drivers are oblivious to the fact you cannot stop a truck as quick as a car i was unfortunate enough to witness a woman cut up a tanker driver near the trafford centre manchester he went off the side of the bridge didnt make it hope she went to prison for it tbh but skills of car drivers seem to be in decline if you ask me they are seriously dangerous some of them
ROG:
albion1971:
remember all car intructors must pass the ADI qualification before they can train anyone.The part 2 ADI qual is supposed to be a check of their driving but it seems that it is only a test that they can drive like a learner so they can demonstrate to their pupils - at least thats they way I see it
I have had about half a dozen ADIs come to me for advanced driver training (the A in ADI stands for Approved not Advanced) and to be honest they could demonstrate ‘learner driving’ but were lacking in what I would term ‘overall driving ablity’
I expected them to be at least near LGV driver standard but was disapointedIt also seems from what I have observed locally that quite a few do not drive very well when a pupil is not in the car - not a good advert IMO especially with their driving school name board prominently displayed !!
LGV drivers can ‘breeze’ the advanced test
Rog, how much is an advanced test these days? Also, how much is tuition?
don,t think dangerous driving by car drivers is just on slip roads i,ve witnessed the latest craze wait in a side road till you get right on top of them then pull out on you at the last minute instead of when there was a gap of half a mile or so why is there no c.p.c for mobile terrorists i mean car drivers sorry weed out the dead wood 
Or the crazy country lane drivers, even on a icy road they fly round them like a f1 driver and then have to brake and swerve out the way when you come round the corner.
The look on a guys face in his 4x4 on Wednesday morning was hilarious, he was easily doing 50 round an almost blind bend and was definitely not expecting to see me, he dived into the hedge with a look of complete shock on his face. I was doing 10mph at the most luckily otherwise it would have been a different story.
I think what we are all forgetting here is we are all professional drivers and have learnt to anticipate car drivers every move something they don’t do, be it on a motorway or a single track road.
as others have said they think they are the only people on the road!
Gembo:
ROG:
albion1971:
remember all car intructors must pass the ADI qualification before they can train anyone.The part 2 ADI qual is supposed to be a check of their driving but it seems that it is only a test that they can drive like a learner so they can demonstrate to their pupils - at least thats they way I see it
I have had about half a dozen ADIs come to me for advanced driver training (the A in ADI stands for Approved not Advanced) and to be honest they could demonstrate ‘learner driving’ but were lacking in what I would term ‘overall driving ablity’
I expected them to be at least near LGV driver standard but was disapointedIt also seems from what I have observed locally that quite a few do not drive very well when a pupil is not in the car - not a good advert IMO especially with their driving school name board prominently displayed !!
LGV drivers can ‘breeze’ the advanced test
Rog, how much is an advanced test these days? Also, how much is tuition?
There seems to be a lot of very one sided views on this forum and an awful lot of angry people.
I agree Rog there are some ADI’s that may not be up to an advanced standard but that applies to an awful lot of drivers and as they have passed their exams they are more than qualified to teach Cat B.They are not required to demonstrate advanced driving.
I know plenty of excellent ADI’s (retired traffic police) who are excellent intructors and advanced drivers.I also know a lot of LGV Instructors that are just as good but I also know a lot of really bad instructors both truck and car.
Just because you have passed an advanced test does not mean you are a good driver does it?
Good and bad driving applies to cars trucks coaches and motorcycles but judging by some of the comments on here its only everybody else that’s bad.
albion1971:
however every car driver that sits a test has to drive for a short period on a dual carriageway.
A NSL dual carriagaway? How long has this been a requirement? It didn’t used to be.