Why Arrest a Sleeping Driver? WTF?

Final verdict into deaths of three men from London killed on the A2 between Canterbury and Faversham

A coroner has ruled a drink driver who was behind the wheel when he and two friends were killed was not excessively speeding - despite police saying he was.

Mohammed Muqtadir, Shahjahan Miah and Nicholas Rodney all died at the scene of an early-morning crash on the A2 when their Mercedes smashed into a parked lorry.

An inquest into the deaths of the three men in their 30s was last week told by police that they were travelling at about 125mph prior to the accident between Canterbury and Faversham.

But at the second part of the hearing - held today at Archbishop’s Palace in Maidstone - assistant coroner Katrina Hepburn said she was unsatisfied with the police figures.

The friends were returning to their home in London following a night on the beach at St Margaret’s Bay near Dover, where they had drunk alcohol and smoked cannabis.

The group of eight friends, who regularly went to Dover for nights on the beach, were split into two groups when travelling home in separate cars in January.

Police data - calculated following the triple fatality - revealed that the soon-to-be-married driver of the crashed car, Mr Muqtadir, was travelling between 120mph and 130mph. Officers also stated that video footage taken from inside the car just moments before the crash showed the speed dial to be at 125mph.

Witness accounts from drivers who had previously been overtaken by the Mercedes also said they thought the car was speeding. One lorry driver deemed the speed to be “excessive” and even as fast as 150mph.

But despite the evidence, coroner Ms Hepburn concluded it to be “incredibly difficult to assess speed”.

Instead, she ruled it probable that Tabriz Meah’s account of the series of events was correct.

Mr Meah, the driver of the second car carrying four of the eight friends, told the court that Mr Muqtadir was travelling at “about 80mph or so” when they came up to a convoy of three lorries.

He said: “Mohammed went to the right side lane to overtake and a lorry suddenly pulls out. It started moving across and then started indicating after.”

"He [Mohammed] was not anticipating that. He was braking but I thought ‘he’s not going to avoid the lorry in front’.

“I saw him go towards the left to avoid it but there was another lorry in that lane. He went further left and hit the one parked up which no one could see - debris was flying everywhere.”

Ms Hepburn said: “We have heard from a witness who was actually there and I find that much more likely.”

Mr Meah also raised concerns over the lighting of the lorry lay-by near Dunkirk on the A2.

Following the crash, a 35-year-old French lorry driver, who was asleep in the cabin of the parked HGV, was arrested on suspicion of causing death by dangerous driving. But he was released without charge.

Mohammed Hanif, a passenger in the following car, said: "It was slightly wet and visibility was not the greatest.

“He had no chance of seeing the lorry parked there. I then heard a massive bang. The lorry that was involved should not have been parked there - there was more space in the lay-by.”

Toxicology reports for the three men who died revealed they had all been drinking and smoking cannabis before the accident at about 4am.

Driver Mr Muqtadir was found to have 97 milligrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of blood. The UK drink-drive limit is 80mg.

All three died at the scene from multiple, severe injuries.

Ms Hepburn said:“Eight friends decided to go to Dover, this was a social event they had previously undertaken but this time ended in the most tragic of outcomes.”

She ruled the dual carriageway to be sufficiently illuminated and was satisfied the parked HGV was entirely off the road. She concluded that the alcohol and cannabis in Mr Muqtadir’s system could have caused impairment and affected coordination.

She ruled he had taken evasive action to avoid a HGV before ploughing straight into another.

■■■■■■■■■■ stoned and driving at 125mph on a wet road in poor visibility?

Makes my blood boil just reading about it.

Cosmic:
Makes my blood boil just reading about it.

snap… deserved all they got.

and ffs dover beach. what were they doing. planning their escape… :unamused:

Harry Monk:
■■■■■■■■■■ stoned and driving at 125mph on a wet road in poor visibility?

^^^
+1 says it all though the fact the names read like a downtown bangladeshi opticians eye chart no doubt means the blame has to go somewhere else wherever possible to reduce any negative opinions from the community.
looks like the coroner lives on a different planet compared to what was produced as evidence.

m.a.n rules:

Cosmic:
Makes my blood boil just reading about it.

snap… deserved all they got.

and ffs dover beach. what were they doing. planning their escape… :unamused:

Properly the complete opposite helping migrants arrive

Shame this guy didn’t pick them up at Calais…

youtu.be/cYVXDWrWY88

dieseldog999:

Harry Monk:
■■■■■■■■■■ stoned and driving at 125mph on a wet road in poor visibility?

^^^
+1 says it all though the fact the names read like a downtown bangladeshi opticians eye chart no doubt means the blame has to go somewhere else wherever possible to reduce any negative opinions from the community.
looks like the coroner lives on a different planet compared to what was produced as evidence.

Nicholas Rodney was one of the lads who died, and it says so on the post.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a bit of your racist [zb] !

Born Idle:
Nicholas Rodney was one of the lads who died, and it says so on the post.

Wasn’t he Del Boy’s brother?

From a different article…

“The account is that Mr Muqtadir was in lane two when a HGV in lane one moved out into lane two.
“Mr Muqtadir moved from lane two to lane one. He then moves again to the near side of the carriageway into the layby and collided with a red Volvo HGV trailer.
“It was parked and the driver was asleep in his cab. His entire vehicle was inside the white lines. The HGV was parked legally.”

Thought it must have been the driver that pulled out into lane 2 that was arrested but no!

■■■■■■ up stoned, 125 mph on a wet road, what could possibly go wrong.? I thought that that lot didn’t use alcohol! Sounds a bit like what we were told happened to Diana all of those years ago.

Born Idle:

dieseldog999:

Harry Monk:
■■■■■■■■■■ stoned and driving at 125mph on a wet road in poor visibility?

^^^
+1 says it all though the fact the names read like a downtown bangladeshi opticians eye chart no doubt means the blame has to go somewhere else wherever possible to reduce any negative opinions from the community.
looks like the coroner lives on a different planet compared to what was produced as evidence.

Nicholas Rodney was one of the lads who died, and it says so on the post.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of a bit of your racist [zb]!

^^^
fly with crows,get shot with crows.

RIPPER:
Police data - calculated following the triple fatality - revealed that the soon-to-be-married driver of the crashed car, Mr Muqtadir, was travelling between 120mph and 130mph. Officers also stated that video footage taken from inside the car just moments before the crash showed the speed dial to be at 125mph.

Witness accounts from drivers who had previously been overtaken by the Mercedes also said they thought the car was speeding. One lorry driver deemed the speed to be “excessive” and even as fast as 150mph.

But despite the evidence, coroner Ms Hepburn concluded it to be “incredibly difficult to assess speed”.

Instead, she ruled it probable that Tabriz Meah’s account of the series of events was correct.

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Ms Hepburn said: “We have heard from a witness who was actually there and I find that much more likely.”

That says it all:–
She has photographic evidence of the speed of the vehicle.
The police investigation (and, let’s be honest, they do know what they’re doing!) arrives at a figure of between 120 and 130.
and
Witnesses also give estimates of speeds “as fast as 150mph”

but Ms Stupid would rather believe the drunken smack-head from the other car and heaven forbid that she should let something as basic as facts over-ride any pathetic bias or lack of intelligence.

:imp: :imp: :imp: :imp: :imp:

But despite the evidence, coroner Ms Hepburn concluded it to be “incredibly difficult to assess speed”.

EVEN THOUGH the ****nuggets were recording the speedo at 125mph on their cell phones.

You would think that there would be a bell tolling or something similar, to signify the end of civilisation as we knew it.

Good enough for the ■■■■ s, ■■■■■■ up driving, and on whatever tf they were taking.
Maybe not the first time either driving with total disregard to the safety of other road users…including the passengers for condoning it by getting in the car with that f/whit. I’m sure they could have chipped in for a cab home.
At least it has stopped them killing some poor innocent in the future.

And yeh…why was the sleeping trucker arrested ffs? :open_mouth:
You’re forced into parking in ■■■■ lay bys and they’re still out to get you. :smiling_imp:

That overpaid incompetent ■■■■■ should be sacked btw.

idrive:
Shame this guy didn’t pick them up at Calais…

youtu.be/cYVXDWrWY88

…or get swerved into by this Magyar guy… :smiling_imp:

Video removed. Images and videos also covered by the rule on language. Colingl

The coroners position needs to be reconsidered, it smacks of appeasement and a cover - up of the actual facts.
Quite how a sleeping lorry driver was arrested just shows that the Police are not living in the real world, unless the lorry was moved onto the live carriageway, but I am guessing the lorry driver of the lorry in the lay by would have been in night clothes and not driving attire, in which case the Police should have taken that into consideration.

I am aghast at how pathetic this country has become, in it`s drive to promote racial harmony…There is very little, if you lift the corner of the carpet up.

How the hell she thinks that the police evidence provided isnt good enough to say what speed he was going is unreal. He was travelling too fast, and imho he was going to undertake the inside lorry because he couldnt slow down in time. Well that didnt work out to well did it?

I think sometimes these people get so much power they think they have a god like insight into the world and the evidence must therefore always be wrong.

She’ll tell us next that the driver who was drink driving is completely innocent of all counts and it was the people who dared to put a layby on the road who are at fault!

As for arresting the driver - only guess would be preservation of evidence? The fact that he’s sleeping doesnt stop him being one of those horrible truck drivers you know. Plus it keeps Daily Wail readers happy.

To believe the other driver’s account of the speed the coroner has either been got at by the PC/racist/anti semitic brigade or got done for speeding recently. That driver would claim that the car was only doing about 80 mph wouldn’t he? because unless he was doing nearly the same speed as the car which crashed, how could he possibly have seen the circumstances of the crash? it would have been in the far distance. So he was doing something like 100+ as well and knows he’ll get banned unless he claims otherwise. As for the gall to claim that the lorry shouldn’t have been parked where it was (legally) in the layby because there was more room in the layby ahead of it, er the evidence was that the lorry driver was asleep, if there had been room the lorry would have parked in it on arrival.