What does it matter to you if they get caught by the pigs or on a GATSO?
Em . . . who are the ‘pigs’?
truckerjon:
…Why should the car driver pull over onto the side of the road to allow a CRIMINAL to carry on breaking the law?..
Two crimes, two criminals, One for obstruction and one for speeding.
Sadly “Obstruction” is all too seldom prosecuted, but when it is then six points and £600 is about the mark
DougR:
truckerjon:
…Why should the car driver pull over onto the side of the road to allow a CRIMINAL to carry on breaking the law?..Two crimes, two criminals, One for obstruction and one for speeding.
Sadly “Obstruction” is all too seldom prosecuted, but when it is then six points and £600 is about the mark
Unless there is a minmum speed indicated by appropriate signs then there cannot be an offence unless there is a convoy behind the leading vehicle which is driving very slowly.
Having driven on the A465 a few times there would never be any chance of that occuring there.
waddy640:
…there cannot be an offence unless there is a convoy behind the leading vehicle which is driving very slowly.Having driven on the A465 a few times there would never be any chance of that occuring there.
Wrong - one is enough - but seldom prosecuted.
So what you are saying is, if there is a vehicle behind you then you are commiting an offence. It is a good job we have realistic laws in England.
waddy640:
So what you are saying is, if there is a vehicle behind you then you are commiting an offence. It is a good job we have realistic laws in England.
You could be committing an offence - a tricky matter of judgement, which is why judges get paid so well.
Just found that
kentroadsafety.info/readtheroad/
Copied from above web page :
Speed - You’ll be surprised
As a driver you can choose the severity of the crash you may have and therefore your level of injury you cause. How? By choosing the speed at which you travel.
Most of us adopt the same mentality when it comes to driving - more speed = more time saved. This is simply not true. The sense that we have to travel faster to make up time is overstated. A 10 minute journey made at 60mph saves you, incredibly, just over 1½ minutes compared to a journey at 50mph… and what would you do with that “saved” time?
We all know that stopping distances increase dramatically with driving speed. But by doubling your speed, you significantly more than double your breaking distance. By keeping your speed lower and adapting it to the conditions on our county roads, hazards such as large vehicles, cyclists, walkers and wildlife should be safely negotiated.
Is that minute and a half worth ■■?
MisterStrood:
Copied from above web page :
Speed - You’ll be surprisedAs a driver you can choose the severity of the crash you may have and therefore your level of injury you cause. How? By choosing the speed at which you travel.
Most of us adopt the same mentality when it comes to driving - more speed = more time saved. This is simply not true. The sense that we have to travel faster to make up time is overstated. A 10 minute journey made at 60mph saves you, incredibly, just over 1½ minutes compared to a journey at 50mph… and what would you do with that “saved” time?
We all know that stopping distances increase dramatically with driving speed. But by doubling your speed, you significantly more than double your breaking distance. By keeping your speed lower and adapting it to the conditions on our county roads, hazards such as large vehicles, cyclists, walkers and wildlife should be safely negotiated.
Is that minute and a half worth ■■?
Is it just me who can see a bit of a contradiction in the bits I’ve highlighted? 
Both a pair of tossers if u ask me. 
MisterStrood:
Copied from above web page :
Speed - You’ll be surprisedAs a driver you can choose the severity of the crash you may have and therefore your level of injury you cause. How? By choosing the speed at which you travel.
Most of us adopt the same mentality when it comes to driving - more speed = more time saved. This is simply not true. The sense that we have to travel faster to make up time is overstated. A 10 minute journey made at 60mph saves you, incredibly, just over 1½ minutes compared to a journey at 50mph… and what would you do with that “saved” time?
We all know that stopping distances increase dramatically with driving speed. But by doubling your speed, you significantly more than double your breaking distance. By keeping your speed lower and adapting it to the conditions on our county roads, hazards such as large vehicles, cyclists, walkers and wildlife should be safely negotiated.
Is that minute and a half worth ■■?
I don’t know about you, but I have to work more than 10 minutes a day multiply that by the 60 times I can drive 10 minutes it could cost me an hour and a half a day, over 7 hours a week, nearly 30 hours a month and around 360 hours a year, that is 18 days, so yes that minute and a half will make a difference.
These figures are as accurate and useless as yours
Only 1 and a half mins? Only if the journey’s about 5 miles. Simple maths say it would save me 1 hour on a 300 mile trip
Rob K:
If they were causing such a problem to you any normal person would have pulled in at the first convenient layby and let them get on with it. By the tone of your post it sounds like you enjoyed playing being a cop and got kicks from their frustration. And don’t bother pointing me at “I indicated left” because it means nothing. You know as well as the rest of us that trucks are limited to 56mph so indicating left for him to pass when you’re doing 50mph yourself serves no useful purpose as it would take half a mile to complete the manoeuvre at that speed. You’re obviously not in any hurry yourself doing 50mph, so just pull over and stop making such a [zb] issue out of it.
Ermmm…
he was on a single carriageway section of road that has the national speed limit for trucks (THATS 40 MPH BY THE WAY !!!)
McGawns are total cowboys anyway . What are their driver on nowadays anyway , £5.50 p/h ?
Dont know what it is with hauliers in Ayrshire and Southwest Scotland , they seem to have a very difficult time trying to stay within the law .
Rob K:
Resorting to personal attacks and abuse is always the sign of a failed argument.
I was 100% behind you till you put this…
If the firm in question are such cowboys then, I suspect, they would have been targeted by VOStApo by now.
Waddy, are you seriously going to expect us to entirely accept what you are saying? Are you going to tell me you didn’t ease off a smidge just to make the Scania driver test his brakes a little, or annoy him in some other way? Is it really that difficult to ease off in a safe stretch so he could get past? After all is said and done, you were driving for some other reason than hire or reward. He was working. If you were sat in an office typing on your computer and the computer was slow, you would want it sorted so you could get the job done. Similar principle applies here. The driver of the truck had no idea what you did, only what you were doing at the time, which was delaying him.
As has been said, you have no idea of his reasons for being on a mission. I do know how I have reacted to things in the past, and I will openly admit that there have been occasions when your being in my way would have had me frothing at the mouth. Not one of us on here can claim to be such an angel that we have never wanted to rip some halfwit in a car into little pieces for doing just as you were doing, and the coffee shaker thing may well have had me stop altogether and take you up on the offer. And if you had had your rear fogs on during the episode then we would really have been chatting.
If you are a driver then you should understand the pressure we can sometimes be under. If you can’t then you have been leading a very sheltered life.
The OP should have just slammed his brakes on, let the Scanny explain to the cops why he was doing 50 in a 40, and leaving no braking distance. Then the OP can claim thousands for a ‘whiplash’ injury. 
Simple fact is that the OP was driving within the law, the Scania driver was not, there is no arguement on that score, what ever some of you might think
Coddy:
The OP should have just slammed his brakes on, let the Scanny explain to the cops why he was doing 50 in a 40, and leaving no braking distance. Then the OP can claim thousands for a ‘whiplash’ injury.Simple fact is that the OP was driving within the law, the Scania driver was not, there is no arguement on that score, what ever some of you might think
But the OP is not, as far as we know a police officer so it is not his job to enforce the law and as it appears he was very uncomfortable, an understandably so, with an artic 4 feet from his bumper there were things he could have done to change that situation and make it safer for himself.
He could have increased his speed, it appears he had 10 mph in hand. He could have reduced speed to enable the truck to get past and then continued driving at his constant 50 mph. He could have pulled over and continued after he no longer had many tonnes sitting right up his chuff ready to roll over the top of him if a situation developed requiring him to brake suddenly. All sensible and legal options but instead he preferred to remain in the dangerous situation because the truck shouldn’t have been speeding.
Yes the truck driver was a trumpet but the OP wasn’t much better by recognising the danger but then doing nothing about it just because he was not breaking the law and the truck driver was. Sometimes you don’t just have to drive your own vehicle, you have to drive an idiots vehicle for them by taking appropriate action. The OP asked why so many lunatic and suicidal truckers but by knowing the danger in the situation and remaining as he was and doing nothing about it makes the OP a bit of a lunatic and suicidal IMHO. 
Coddy:
Simple fact is that the OP was driving within the law, the Scania driver was not, there is no arguement on that score, what ever some of you might think
Yes but that doesn’t mean the OP can’t be the more sensible person in this equation and make allowances for idiots.
If I go down town today and someone appears with a gun and breaks the law by shooting at people I am going to take cover to improve my safety and chances of survival. I am not going to stroll about right in front of the gunman because he is breaking the law and I am not.
The driver of the Scania was without doubt, in the wrong, even if the car was travelling ridiculously slowly he should’ve maintained a safe braking distance, in fact especially if the car was travelling really slowly, after all who knows what the car would do next, but as the OP says he was doing 50mph, well there are very few roads that have a blanket 50mph limit, so he was travelling under the limit, the lorry was not as it was an SC & therefore he was limited to 40mph, but what difference does that make, the Scania driver obviously wanted to go faster, the car driver didn’t, but both were wrong, simple enough for the car to accelerate so that the lorry driver could see his lights, indicate left & then slow down & let him past, doesn’t alter the fact that the lorry driver was being a ■■■■■■■■■ but not a lot would, why make the situation worse when it could easily have been avoided in the first place, by the car driver noticing a lorry catching him up in his mirrors & making his intention to slow down quite clear, then the lorry would never have been 4ft off his bumper in the first place 
We all know there are people out there driving lorries that have no place on the roads, some of them are downright dangerous, if you see an example of this & you’re that way inclined, phone the company concerned or notify VOSA, they’ll match up location & tachograph & the fan will soon be brown.
Personally I prefered it when we could get away with dealing with incidents like this the old fashioned way, a quick punch up always used to settle this kind of thing in mere seconds, nowadays everyone wants to go running to the Police or ■■■■■■■■ about it on the internet
Simple fact is that the truck should never have caught up with the car in the first place, esp as the SC was 40 mph for the truck…
None of you on here know the full facts, even what road it was on, to have solid white lines the road was obviously twisty though, was the artic loaded or empty, was the OP in a Nissan Micra or a Cosworth…
This thread is the best laugh ive had in ages
bobthedog:
Rob K:
Resorting to personal attacks and abuse is always the sign of a failed argument.
I was 100% behind you till you put this…
If the firm in question are such cowboys then, I suspect, they would have been targeted by VOStApo by now.
Waddy, are you seriously going to expect us to entirely accept what you are saying? Are you going to tell me you didn’t ease off a smidge just to make the Scania driver test his brakes a little, or annoy him in some other way? Is it really that difficult to ease off in a safe stretch so he could get past? After all is said and done, you were driving for some other reason than hire or reward. He was working. If you were sat in an office typing on your computer and the computer was slow, you would want it sorted so you could get the job done. Similar principle applies here. The driver of the truck had no idea what you did, only what you were doing at the time, which was delaying him.As has been said, you have no idea of his reasons for being on a mission. I do know how I have reacted to things in the past, and I will openly admit that there have been occasions when your being in my way would have had me frothing at the mouth. Not one of us on here can claim to be such an angel that we have never wanted to rip some halfwit in a car into little pieces for doing just as you were doing, and the coffee shaker thing may well have had me stop altogether and take you up on the offer. And if you had had your rear fogs on during the episode then we would really have been chatting.
If you are a driver then you should understand the pressure we can sometimes be under. If you can’t then you have been leading a very sheltered life.
I was not involved in this incident, a case of mistaken identity I think.
Bob the Dog is a bit like your Nan, he gets a bit mixed up at times, bless him, he’s missing the sea air now he’s in the middle of the prairies