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Franglais:
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eagerbeaver:
Franglais:
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I wish I was half as good !
For ■■■■ sake. We used to ship top hat coils with two straps crossed over the top. Or with a tarp and a rope (which is more secure to be fair) They only move if you drive like a ■■■■ womble…
the nodding donkey:
For [zb] sake. We used to ship top hat coils with two straps crossed over the top. Or with a tarp and a rope (which is more secure to be fair) They only move if you drive like a ■■■■ womble…
Got to agree with the mule who looks like a viking. 
the nodding donkey:
They only move if you drive like a ■■■■ womble…
This is the problem though…
If the proverbial ‘little Billy runs out after his football’ scenario occurs, wallop, all yer coils go walkies.
the nodding donkey:
For [zb] sake. We used to ship top hat coils with two straps crossed over the top. Or with a tarp and a rope (which is more secure to be fair) They only move if you drive like a ■■■■ womble…
99.99% of the time youre right, no problem. But if youre driving sensibly and a mini bus full of kittens pulls out straight in front of you? Driving sensibly isnt always enough, generally we can avoid accidents by being above average drivers, and anticipation of events, but occasionally there will be sharp stops. WEve got to allow that not everyone is half way sensible.
Edit. typing same time.
With one notable exception a couple of years ago I can’t remember the last time I did an emergency stop. Maybe I’m just lucky!
the maoster:
With one notable exception a couple of years ago I can’t remember the last time I did an emergency stop. Maybe I’m just lucky!
I reckon about…
5 times I’ve had both feet on the pedal and teeth clenched waiting for the bang stops in my career.
The Bordeaux ring road being the site of two of them. Portugal, Spain and the UK the others.
In my early twenties when my ambition far outweighed my talent I got myself into a situation where I can close my eyes and still hear the slithering sound of my locked wheels on the wet tarmac followed by the sickening thud as I hit the lorry in front. I can still recall the pain of the broken bones, the feel of the blood dripping down my face from the little cubes of shattered windscreen glass, and I vowed never ever to put myself in that position again.
A painful lesson, but one that’s stayed with me forever.
the maoster:
In my early twenties when my ambition far outweighed my talent I got myself into a situation where I can close my eyes and still hear the slithering sound of my locked wheels on the wet tarmac followed by the sickening thud as I hit the lorry in front. I can still recall the pain of the broken bones, the feel of the blood dripping down my face from the little cubes of shattered windscreen glass, and I vowed never ever to put myself in that position again.A painful lesson, but one that’s stayed with me forever.
Ouch!..
That’s the sort of thing that should be shown to newbs on their first driving lesson.
the maoster:
A painful lesson, but one that’s stayed with me forever.
After my accident a couple of years ago roundabouts have never been the same.
Franglais:
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My issue with that is that if one strap fails the other is doing nothing.
Dimlaith:
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My issue with that is that if one strap fails the other is doing nothing.
True. But even with “conventional” strapping only one strap (if only two used) is restraining the load in any direction. If a strap fails due to strain then the other strap is not in a position to do any good anyway?
If a strap fails due to snapping then, yes, youre in the cart, but isnt that true with other methods too? This way the strap doesnt slip off the edge of cylinder, Id say.
Feel free to argue, I aint an expert in anything, and wont take offence.
eagerbeaver:
woody2808:
eagerbeaver:
paul1181:
I dont think he’s got a job come monday morningNever mind a job. 2at shouldn’t have a licence, it needs revoking.
And to add insult to injury, the bellend is stood like a ■■■■■■ with his hands on his head wearing his hi-viz…
Bit harsh
Yeah I suppose I was
Swooped down on him like a (101st) screaming eagle, or in your case, a ■■■■■■ off Pegasus
the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
Realistically it it’s not placed shotgun/axially in line with the trailer and secured with chains as shown here I’d tell them to shove the job it’s going nowhere or someone else can take it.Well, that’s it. The Carryfast has told us. Time to tell TATA that they know [zb] all about steel. And if I ever have to go there again (that’ll be a cold day in hell…), I’ll show them this, before I tell them that I won’t follow their company rules.
Didn’t say anything about not following any ‘company rules’.I just said if I was a carrier/driver,with the responsibility if the thing moves on the road,I’d exercise my right to decline the load and/or walk away from the job if given a job that involves carrying coils in anything other than in the ‘shotgun’ configuration.Also not using chains as shown in the DOT guidelines.
I can only say one thing now. There is indeed a god. The god who kept the top hat coils from falling off my trailers all those years ago. I must pay penance for the heinous crime of traveling down the road with up to three, yeh three , top hat coils at least thrice weekly for months… Just imagine the kittens that I could have killed…
ND,
There must be a god or you had the “MOT” trailer for a few weeks?
Well this has been interesting, i haven’t carried a coil since God knows when, most of the steel i carried was on flats and it was always chains used.
If you carried tubes they would settle and you would be re-tensioning several times on your journey, and, you learned to be bloody careful and to avoid harsh stops cos the load was well over the headboard and the cab being fibre glass 
I’m simply amazed that anyone would think that 2 straps pulling backwards was going to stop 10 or 20 tons from going exactly where ‘the force’ dictated in the event of a panic stop, Christ’s sake we used to use 2 x 5ton straps pulling backwards on cars weighing around a ton and they could still move if the forces were high enough, so if the approved method is as shown above then the method approvers need to do some bloody rethinking to account for the weight.
The danger in full bore stops is not at motorway speeds, you don’t actually stop that quickly unless you hit a fully loaded lorry up the arse, it’s the up to 30mph sudden stops are the real danger and from 25mph and below it can be near enough a dead stop being extremely violent as any bulker/dry tanker driver could tell you when you need to shift some weight forward.
That bloody coil as in the picture would have ■■■■■■ itsen laughing at two pointless straps intended to prevent forward movement, they might as well have been an overstretched wonderbra for all the good they would do, the ones over the top were just holding its Easter bonnet on 
, it isn’t ten tons trying to escape forward its magnified many times, but its been 45 years since studied physics so i’ll leave it to the university educated bods and former Engineers we have here to tell us just how much that coil would weight at a 20mph sudden halt, i estimated around the 80 ton mark but that is purely a guess.
If we can’t come up with a real weight forces involved i’ll ask on another forum i use.
I’m no expert but I know how to respect the load on the trailer. TATA wants it done that way or it does not leave site. I would think that the combined force of 5 straps per coil pulling down onto anti slip matting is sufficient to secure the load under normal driving conditions. Like I said earlier, drive like a ■■■■ and nothing will stop it moving. People way above my intelligence and pay grade have come up with this system, the firm I work for does a hell of a lot of steel from Port Talbot and Llanelli and since this system has been introduced I am unaware of us losing a load of steel.
Dimlaith:
I’m no expert but I know how to respect the load on the trailer. TATA wants it done that way or it does not leave site. I would think that the combined force of 5 straps per coil pulling down onto anti slip matting is sufficient to secure the load under normal driving conditions. Like I said earlier, drive lol me a [zb] and nothing will stop it moving. People way above my intelligence and pay grade have come up with this system, the firm I work for does a hell of a lot of steel from Port Talbot and Llanelli and since this system has been introduced I am unaware of us losing a load of steel.
A bit belt and braces I reckon, but these guys who you say are ‘‘well above your intelligence’’ that’s open to argument, although being on more money than us is definitely NOT arguable.
They are in the same pool as those who make the rules of us having to strap down a pallet of cardboard to within an inch of it’s life, and those who say you must not have a trucktable on your dash because it obliterates the view from your windscreen.
All this stuff comes under the heading of ‘‘Well over the top H&S rules’’ or as I prefer to call it…Complete ■■■■■■■■.
I’ve no doubt at all that as you say those coils won’t move because of their ‘‘idea’’, but neither would they move if you welded them to the trailer deck…if you get my point.
Unfortunately we have to bow down to those ‘‘More intelligent’’ types, who have got us all running around like ■■■■ idiots to carry out their stupid ■■■■ rules, so don’t give them THAT much credit mate.
at this rate artics will be phased out and everything will be moved by wagon and drags…the load goes on the wagon,and all the straps get carried in the drag due to the amount needed to comply with the fannies that make up the h&s bollox