As with many industries in good ole UK proper training is regarded as an unnecessary expense to be avoided at all costs when we can import highly skilled operatives from the East.
So it doesn’t look like it was strapped at all. Was he an agency driver who was just told it was loaded correctly and then didn’t bother checking or did he just think he could get away without strapping?
p.s. why are chains banned at Tata?
The problem occurs when trailers are dropped,and straps removed.
The next man comes along…to"nip it down the road"and takes short cuts.
You won’t get out of Tata,unless you’ve strapped it properly.
mrginge:
Heisenberrg:
That does not look like a normal bit of freight.To the driver in the pic…It’s not your fault…you were doing your best with the training that you had been given…
He is pulling a steel carrying trailer with steel in the back, unless he is agency/new employee that is what that company does so you would assume he is trained.
Except that certain steel shifters don’t train up new drivers, especially agency, before sending them on the road with a full load of sheet metal. I work for one quite regularly and the first time I drove for them I didn’t even know how to do up or undo dog-chains. (I did my class 1 before initial CPC where they actually teach you how to tighten those things up.) I had to call them and ask, and even then I had to strap the remaining pallets down as I didn’t know how to do them up.
More recently, I had a mixed load of coils and pallets to take from their depot to Thetford (that’s about 125 miles) and when I got there several of the items had broken loose, and at least two of the pallets of sheets had no bandings left on them. The forklift driver said he’d take them off me “as a favour” but was well within his rights to refuse the whole lot. I got back and they blamed the guys at one of their other depots for that and other faults.
DonutUK:
the nodding donkey:
El Deano:
Anyone see any straps/chains?Sent from my SM-G903F using Tapatalk
There won’t be any chains.
Iirc these coils would be loaded with posts in front of them, high enough to cover the centre of the coil, two straps through the centre, and one or two (depending on the width of the coil) over the top, if loaded in a well.
Top hats are strapped diagonal over the top, and have bolsters in front.Chains will see you banned from all TATA sites, in Europe.
Not sure about the bolsters…I’ve never loaded top hats with bolsters in front of them…you can use 4 straps across the top, or you can strap the Tata way…
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You may be right, it a fair while since I moved steel. 'tis funny, and slippery stuff…
the nodding donkey:
And to add insult to injury, the traveling community have helped themselves to his diesel…
That could be the problem, he was loaded like that to get more on but then run out of diesel.
commonrail:
The problem occurs when trailers are dropped,and straps removed.
The next man comes along…to"nip it down the road"and takes short cuts.
How does that work? Not doubting what you`re saying but, why?
Are straps assigned to a driver rather than a trailer? Seems like extra work if a system like that is in use? And if a load is unstrapped and then covered up again, well, look no further.
Straps are assigned to tractor units…can’t make the driver use them though.
Or Chinese steel from immingham…loaded on 2 bearers with a cross over the top
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commonrail:
Straps are assigned to tractor units…can’t make the driver use them though.
Thanks for that.
So when trailers are dropped and then picked up again theyre unstrapped and re-strapped. Or should be re-strapped, anyway. I guess it makes it easier to point at who
s responsible for damage or loss of straps. Takes time to unstrap and re-strap of course, and easier to see how it may be tempting, although obviously wrong, to cut corners.
My educated guess, for what it’s worth…
Not a Tata load, but a dock loaded import, china most likely by the wrapping and the markings on it… 1250mm wide, approx 18 to 21 tonnes…loaded in the well without the benefit of well posts (ie free standing)… so as he braked because of the car that pulled infront of him and promptly stopped on the amber light (as seen by a witness), the lorry stopped and the coil kept going until it hit the head of the well and catapulted forward… the usual 3 straps on a coil like this wouldn’t have stood a chance in that case
I’ll agree there’s a serious lack of training in this industry… saw an example of this myself on wednesday, which resulted in me loading a trailer in Goole with WRIC for a driver who had no idea what to do or how to secure it.
Chains are are rarity now, straps work, as long as they are actually used…
Generally speaking, straps belong to the trailer, but often the driver will carry more on the unit…well, I do anyway…
It’s is seriously worrying, and until the industry goes back to the shadow training like the good old days, this kind of thing will keep happening…
Steel has no friends and should be treated with the utmost respect…
I am guessing that coil is far heavier than 10 tonnes as an 8 wheeler with a crane on wouldn’t sit that low .
Its seriously forked that unit I know that much!
Fuel tank is nigh-on touching the road.
Do those coils normally travel on there sides in a well like they do on the rail wagons or would it have been on its end like its ended up??
The rail equivalent- google.co.uk/search?biw=144 … mmBlx5_ytM:
Gembo:
Its seriously forked that unit I know that much!
Fuel tank is nigh-on touching the road.
Do those coils normally travel on there sides in a well like they do on the rail wagons or would it have been on its end like its ended up??
The rail equivalent- google.co.uk/search?biw=144 … mmBlx5_ytM:
They are usually carried in the well, on the roll, like the pictures on your link…This one was also in the well, and apparently did have the metal posts in front of it. It weighed 20 tonnes and when he braked to avoid the car it jumped both sets of posts and catapulted forward… My boss walked down to see him after it happened, although it wasn’t one of ours…
Wouldn’t like to have been sat there and hearing it sliding or hitting the cab.
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I’ve got my doubts about the effectiveness of the blue and orange straps here at least if not all of them and using straps to secure steel generally regardless.
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Realistically it it’s not placed shotgun/axially in line with the trailer and secured with chains as shown here I’d tell them to shove the job it’s going nowhere or someone else can take it.
the nodding donkey:
Chains will see you banned from all TATA sites, in Europe.
Great that would suit me fine.
Kate:
My educated guess, for what it’s worth…Not a Tata load, but a dock loaded import, china most likely by the wrapping and the markings on it… 1250mm wide, approx 18 to 21 tonnes…loaded in the well without the benefit of well posts (ie free standing)… so as he braked because of the car that pulled infront of him and promptly stopped on the amber light (as seen by a witness), the lorry stopped and the coil kept going until it hit the head of the well and catapulted forward… the usual 3 straps on a coil like this wouldn’t have stood a chance in that case
I’ll agree there’s a serious lack of training in this industry… saw an example of this myself on wednesday, which resulted in me loading a trailer in Goole with WRIC for a driver who had no idea what to do or how to secure it.
Chains are are rarity now, straps work, as long as they are actually used…Generally speaking, straps belong to the trailer, but often the driver will carry more on the unit…well, I do anyway…
It’s is seriously worrying, and until the industry goes back to the shadow training like the good old days, this kind of thing will keep happening…
Steel has no friends and should be treated with the utmost respect…
Looking at the photos and the lorry seems to have gone past the lights, he must have been going to quick anyway, always expect a green light to change.