Who will you vote for and why?

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Rjan:

ArcticMonkey:

Rjan:
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The labour mp Ann Cryer who blew the whistle was shunned by people within the labour party because labour rely on the muslim vote. Sarah Champion was kicked out by Corbyn for daring to call them muslim grooming gangs.

No, Cryer herself said she was told that the matter would be exploited by the far-right, a contention with which she agreed. In other words, the woman who blew the whistle, agreed that people like you would misuse these cases for your own agenda.

I can’t find any evidence that she was shunned by Labour party MPs. She states she was shunned by figures in the police and social services, perhaps unsurprisingly given that they would attract fierce criticism.

Champion wasn’t kicked out at all. She resigned from the frontbench because she didn’t like Corbyn and was participating in the usual Blairite ructions. To boot, she wrote an incendiary article in the Sun about Muslim grooming gangs (which I haven’t seen), which her colleagues told her was irresponsible, and then she lied about it and tried to blame the Sun for sensationalising it. She nevertheless remains a Labour MP.

The NHS is a mess because so many migrants are using it without paying into it. Go to Dewsbury A&E through the day and you will see what i mean

Far-right rubbish, trying to suggest that patients are the problem, not Tory cuts and their market bureaucracy and disastrous private reforms.

Corbyn forced her to resign according to all the reports i’ve just looked up. Forced to resign for speaking the truth ffs

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AndieHyde is quite right.

The arguing here is over whether the dead pointless tory party, which professes to be conservative but has failed spectacularly to conserve anything of value, is worse or better than the Labour party, which long ago decided the real working class were to be despised or ignored whichever suited the moment best, and if the ignoring hint fails we’ll send antifa or hope not soap boot boys in to silence them.

They are both dead parties, they do not represent in any way shape or form the people they claim to, you are once again being tricked people, once again you will vote negatively, you will vote for the least worse bogeyman in your opinion of the moment, but ask yourself one question, is that opinion you hold really yours or is the opinion of the rag or indoctrination box you read or watch?

They are both ■■■■■■■ themselves over these futile arguments.

They are all the enemy of the majority of people in this country, especially the ones who go out every day and toil for their wages, who should in their view keep quiet do as they are told and just go out and work and then go home again and watch the indoctrination box in the corner, the bigger and newer and more internet linked the better, all the better to keep an eye on those pesky people eh.
They are not just the enemy of the people but of the very country itself, which they have surrendered without a shot being fired the very land our forbears and betters laid their very lives down to defend from all enemies, those from abroad and those within.

Please don’t make the same mistakes again this election, stop voting for the party you’ve been told is the least worse or dangerous, and instead vote for someone worthy of your precious vote, if you think about this deeply and ignore the propaganda you will probably come to the same conclusion as i have, there is no one worth voting for and once again we’ve been denied the right to vote for something genuine because half the BP candidates have been withdrawn, well thats fine so has my vote.

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What Juddian said +1. My constituency is one of the safest labour seats in the country. I’m not voting for anybody and I wish one or any candidate would knock on my door and ask me why.But they won’t.

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Juddian:
if you think about this deeply and ignore the propaganda you will probably come to the same conclusion as i have, there is no one worth voting for and once again we’ve been denied the right to vote for something genuine because half the BP candidates have been withdrawn, well thats fine so has my vote.

The simple question is why have we had two GE’s in the space of less than 4 years.It’s clearly just an EU infiltrated sham based on the usual MO of keep voting until it gets the right result and then claims a mandate to destroy Brexit.It’s equally clear that taking part in that sham just adds credibility to it and that claim.

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Yes, I’ll also agree with Juddian. How long will it be before we too have our Gilet Jaunes movement, because what’s going on in France now is beginning to mirror what’s happening here and in all the once wealthy north European countries that are tied into the EU. Funnily enough, not in Switzerland or Norway who appear to be doing quite well without being a vassal state of Brussels.

The problem is there are no alternatives to vote for anymore. Whatever usual mainstream party promises you vote for means nothing. Cameron, May, Johnson, Corbyn; they’re all either remainers, or want to do deals to keep us allied to the EU.

The referendum had a high turnout because the issue was what people wanted to vote on. I suspect this election won’t get anywhere near that turnout because there’s nothing left to vote for.

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ArcticMonkey:

Rjan:

ArcticMonkey:

Rjan:
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The labour mp Ann Cryer who blew the whistle was shunned by people within the labour party because labour rely on the muslim vote. Sarah Champion was kicked out by Corbyn for daring to call them muslim grooming gangs.

No, Cryer herself said she was told that the matter would be exploited by the far-right, a contention with which she agreed. In other words, the woman who blew the whistle, agreed that people like you would misuse these cases for your own agenda.

I can’t find any evidence that she was shunned by Labour party MPs. She states she was shunned by figures in the police and social services, perhaps unsurprisingly given that they would attract fierce criticism.

Champion wasn’t kicked out at all. She resigned from the frontbench because she didn’t like Corbyn and was participating in the usual Blairite ructions. To boot, she wrote an incendiary article in the Sun about Muslim grooming gangs (which I haven’t seen), which her colleagues told her was irresponsible, and then she lied about it and tried to blame the Sun for sensationalising it. She nevertheless remains a Labour MP.

The NHS is a mess because so many migrants are using it without paying into it. Go to Dewsbury A&E through the day and you will see what i mean

Far-right rubbish, trying to suggest that patients are the problem, not Tory cuts and their market bureaucracy and disastrous private reforms.

Corbyn forced her to resign according to all the reports i’ve just looked up. Forced to resign for speaking the truth ffs

We’ve seen the truthlessness of your reports before.

In the articles I’ve read, which quotes her directly, she resigns and apologises. There is no reference to her being “forced out”. Both she and Corbyn deny that she was sacked. It appears to be a Tory party lie that she was sacked.

There is reference to her lying herself about writing the article. People like myself consider this to be the very opposite of “speaking the truth”, and she clearly doesn’t have the courage of the convictions you seem to think she holds.

There is also reference to 100 MPs, including from the Tory party, condemning the article she wrote.

As for Ann Cryer, she stood down as a Labour MP in 2010, but has since separately expressed her fondness for Corbyn.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40959387

theguardian.com/politics/20 … istani-men

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No, Cryer herself said she was told that the matter would be exploited by the far-right, a contention with which she agreed. In other words, the woman who blew the whistle, agreed that people like you would misuse these cases for your own agenda.

I can’t find any evidence that she was shunned by Labour party MPs. She states she was shunned by figures in the police and social services, perhaps unsurprisingly given that they would attract fierce criticism.

Champion wasn’t kicked out at all. She resigned from the frontbench because she didn’t like Corbyn and was participating in the usual Blairite ructions. To boot, she wrote an incendiary article in the Sun about Muslim grooming gangs (which I haven’t seen), which her colleagues told her was irresponsible, and then she lied about it and tried to blame the Sun for sensationalising it. She nevertheless remains a Labour MP.

The NHS is a mess because so many migrants are using it without paying into it. Go to Dewsbury A&E through the day and you will see what i mean

Far-right rubbish, trying to suggest that patients are the problem, not Tory cuts and their market bureaucracy and disastrous private reforms.
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Corbyn forced her to resign according to all the reports i’ve just looked up. Forced to resign for speaking the truth ffs
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We’ve seen the truthlessness of your reports before.

In the articles I’ve read, which quotes her directly, she resigns and apologises. There is no reference to her being “forced out”. Both she and Corbyn deny that she was sacked. It appears to be a Tory party lie that she was sacked.

There is reference to her lying herself about writing the article. People like myself consider this to be the very opposite of “speaking the truth”, and she clearly doesn’t have the courage of the convictions you seem to think she holds.

There is also reference to 100 MPs, including from the Tory party, condemning the article she wrote.

As for Ann Cryer, she stood down as a Labour MP in 2010, but has since separately expressed her fondness for Corbyn.

bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40959387

theguardian.com/politics/20 … istani-men
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I can play “a link which shows i’m correct” all day long if you wish

telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 … pakistani/

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So 100 MP’s condemned her, does that mean the other 550 agreed with her??

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Grandpa:
Yes, I’ll also agree with Juddian. How long will it be before we too have our Gilet Jaunes movement, because what’s going on in France now is beginning to mirror what’s happening here and in all the once wealthy north European countries that are tied into the EU. Funnily enough, not in Switzerland or Norway who appear to be doing quite well without being a vassal state of Brussels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjr4cvdmbM

The problem is there are no alternatives to vote for anymore. Whatever usual mainstream party promises you vote for means nothing. Cameron, May, Johnson, Corbyn; they’re all either remainers, or want to do deals to keep us allied to the EU.

The referendum had a high turnout because the issue was what people wanted to vote on. I suspect this election won’t get anywhere near that turnout because there’s nothing left to vote for.

Norway, with it’s massive oil and gas reserves, is doing well.
Quelle surprise!
It is a member of EFTA & EEA. Also it is in the Schengen area observes many EU rules are regulations.
Switzerland, with it’s close ties to the EU, including EFTA, Shengen free movement agreement, and recognising the European Courts of Justice, plus other bi-lateral agreements is also doing well. True.
So, neither country is hamstrung by close ties with the EU.

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ArcticMonkey:
I can play “a link which shows i’m correct” all day long if you wish

telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/0 … pakistani/

Except your link only refers to anonymous sources and “critics”, and does not quote them. Meanwhile, Cryer continues to express support for Corbyn, and Champion remains a Labour MP.

The article also says the following:

But a source close to the MP said her words had been stripped of “nuance” in the article.

But The Sun later countered, with email evidence, that Champion had endorsed the article in glowing terms.

Like I said before, this all shows your allegations are truthless. Labour has not engaged in a cover-up, no Labour MPs have been shunned or silenced by the party over this issue.

Cryer was merely told by a handful of her peers that the story could be exploited, a point with which Cryer agreed. Cryer concealed nothing. She claims to have been shunned only by police bosses and social work bosses.

Champion meanwhile wrote such an incendiary newspaper article that she attracted a rebuke from 100 of her MP colleagues in all the parties.

She then lied about it and blamed the Sun, and when her lie was rumbled (a dishonesty and casualness-with-the-truth which is itself reprehensible), she issued an apology and resigned from the frontbench.

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ArcticMonkey:
So 100 MP’s condemned her, does that mean the other 550 agreed with her??

The only person your wife married was you. Does that mean no other fella in the country would have touched her? It’s a fallacy isn’t it?

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Rjan:

ArcticMonkey:
So 100 MP’s condemned her, does that mean the other 550 agreed with her??

The only person your wife married was you. Does that mean no other fella in the country would have touched her? It’s a fallacy isn’t it?

You haven’t seen my wife, i wouldn’t even touch her

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Franglais:

Grandpa:
Yes, I’ll also agree with Juddian. How long will it be before we too have our Gilet Jaunes movement, because what’s going on in France now is beginning to mirror what’s happening here and in all the once wealthy north European countries that are tied into the EU. Funnily enough, not in Switzerland or Norway who appear to be doing quite well without being a vassal state of Brussels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjr4cvdmbM

The problem is there are no alternatives to vote for anymore. Whatever usual mainstream party promises you vote for means nothing. Cameron, May, Johnson, Corbyn; they’re all either remainers, or want to do deals to keep us allied to the EU.

The referendum had a high turnout because the issue was what people wanted to vote on. I suspect this election won’t get anywhere near that turnout because there’s nothing left to vote for.

Norway, with it’s massive oil and gas reserves, is doing well.
Quelle surprise!
It is a member of EFTA & EEA. Also it is in the Schengen area observes many EU rules are regulations.
Switzerland, with it’s close ties to the EU, including EFTA, Shengen free movement agreement, and recognising the European Courts of Justice, plus other bi-lateral agreements is also doing well. True.
So, neither country is hamstrung by close ties with the EU.

Norway and Switzerland only went so far, but voted not to continue with full EU integration. Both countries obviously have trading ties as they’re in Europe. Both have strict immigration policies. Both populations realized it was better to keep the EU at arms-length, unlike the mess the Swedish, French and Germans got themselves into. Poland and Hungary are both refusing immigration quotas. Britain had Brexit. The French have huge street protests against Macron the EU globalist supporter. Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia and Slovenia are all building fences and Merkel said years ago that multiculturalism doesn’t work.

There is a huge and growing dissent against the EU across Europe, but no democratic way of getting out of the EU once you’re in. No western European country that is in the EU is doing well. Socialist collectivization didn’t work in Eastern Europe and it’s not working now in Western Europe. Do you seriously want that to happen to your own country? People like yourself will only realize what the EU is when we go down the drain with it.

If and when Yellow Vest type of riots start to happen in Britain against the political elite and their efforts to introduce an EU dictatorship into Britain whose side will you be on, Franglais?

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Grandpa:
Norway and Switzerland only went so far, but voted not to continue with full EU integration. Both countries obviously have trading ties as they’re in Europe. Both have strict immigration policies. Both populations realized it was better to keep the EU at arms-length, unlike the mess the Swedish, French and Germans got themselves into.

Ironically both Norway and Switzerland have allowed themselves to be blackmailed with the full range of EU ‘free movement’ and Kalergi type immigration policies.The resulting arguments between EU,a ■■■■■■ off population,and its quisling government,are ongoing in Switzerland at least.

gatestoneinstitute.org/13359 … -accession

It’s also why the Leave manifesto made it absolutely clear that we needed something better and more watertight ( + ) than the ridiculous complicit nature of the relationship which Swiss and Norway have allowed themselves to be railroaded into with the EU.Fine words but our government was always even more of a quisling puppet in that regard than those.Which explains why we’ve had two EU instigated and infiltrated GE’s since the Referendum result and why we are still and EU member state.

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Grandpa:

Franglais:

Grandpa:
Yes, I’ll also agree with Juddian. How long will it be before we too have our Gilet Jaunes movement, because what’s going on in France now is beginning to mirror what’s happening here and in all the once wealthy north European countries that are tied into the EU. Funnily enough, not in Switzerland or Norway who appear to be doing quite well without being a vassal state of Brussels.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUjr4cvdmbM

The problem is there are no alternatives to vote for anymore. Whatever usual mainstream party promises you vote for means nothing. Cameron, May, Johnson, Corbyn; they’re all either remainers, or want to do deals to keep us allied to the EU.

The referendum had a high turnout because the issue was what people wanted to vote on. I suspect this election won’t get anywhere near that turnout because there’s nothing left to vote for.

Norway, with it’s massive oil and gas reserves, is doing well.
Quelle surprise!
It is a member of EFTA & EEA. Also it is in the Schengen area observes many EU rules are regulations.
Switzerland, with it’s close ties to the EU, including EFTA, Shengen free movement agreement, and recognising the European Courts of Justice, plus other bi-lateral agreements is also doing well. True.
So, neither country is hamstrung by close ties with the EU.

Norway and Switzerland only went so far, but voted not to continue with full EU integration. Both countries obviously have trading ties as they’re in Europe. Both have strict immigration policies. Both populations realized it was better to keep the EU at arms-length, unlike the mess the Swedish, French and Germans got themselves into. Poland and Hungary are both refusing immigration quotas. Britain had Brexit. The French have huge street protests against Macron the EU globalist supporter. Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Hungary, Macedonia and Slovenia are all building fences and Merkel said years ago that multiculturalism doesn’t work.

There is a huge and growing dissent against the EU across Europe, but no democratic way of getting out of the EU once you’re in. No western European country that is in the EU is doing well. Socialist collectivization didn’t work in Eastern Europe and it’s not working now in Western Europe. Do you seriously want that to happen to your own country? People like yourself will only realize what the EU is when we go down the drain with it.

If and when Yellow Vest type of riots start to happen in Britain against the political elite and their efforts to introduce an EU dictatorship into Britain whose side will you be on, Franglais?

Will the yellow best rioters be arriving on unicorns? I might be up for a ride on one of them.

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Will the yellow best rioters be arriving on unicorns? I might be up for a ride on one of them.

Big problems in France now and escalating. Looks as if another Macron EU globalist might be biting the dust shortly. That’s before Merkel who says, “I will not be seeking any political post after my term ends [2021].”
Poor Merkel, she spent half her life helping to destroy East Germany and the second half hoping the same failed ideas would work in the west.

Hungary, Italy, Poland … One country after another Europe is rejecting the EUSSR. Yet you didn’t answer the question. When these mass protests by the people eventually happen in Britain, whose side will you be on?

The same mass protests about high taxation, multiculturalism, austerity, low wages … They’re all occurring in EU countries led by pro-European politicians. History repeating itself? We used to laugh at the drab East Germans behind their wall and cheer on those like Hungary and Czechoslovakia as they fought back against being ruled by a centralized USSR bureaucracy. It’s happening again, but this time it’s the Russians, Poles and Hungarians warning us against a very similar EU.

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Grandpa:

Will the yellow best rioters be arriving on unicorns? I might be up for a ride on one of them.

Big problems in France now and escalating. Looks as if another Macron EU globalist might be biting the dust shortly. That’s before Merkel who says, “I will not be seeking any political post after my term ends [2021].”
Poor Merkel, she spent half her life helping to destroy East Germany and the second half hoping the same failed ideas would work in the west.

Hungary, Italy, Poland … One country after another Europe is rejecting the EUSSR. Yet you didn’t answer the question. When these mass protests by the people eventually happen in Britain, whose side will you be on?

The same mass protests about high taxation, multiculturalism, austerity, low wages … They’re all occurring in EU countries led by pro-European politicians. History repeating itself? We used to laugh at the drab East Germans behind their wall and cheer on those like Hungary and Czechoslovakia as they fought back against being ruled by a centralized USSR bureaucracy. It’s happening again, but this time it’s the Russians, Poles and Hungarians warning us against a very similar EU.

Where do you get your news from?
Look at the French news sites, not the usual biased UK ones.
Are there protests about pension changes? Yes.
Riots etc? No.
I was expecting some grief this week, but have seen nothing myself. There are problems, but it seems to me, much smaller than last year.
Of course actually being here during the working week, I may not see what others see on their computers.

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Franglais:

Grandpa:

Will the yellow best rioters be arriving on unicorns? I might be up for a ride on one of them.

Big problems in France now and escalating. Looks as if another Macron EU globalist might be biting the dust shortly. That’s before Merkel who says, “I will not be seeking any political post after my term ends [2021].”
Poor Merkel, she spent half her life helping to destroy East Germany and the second half hoping the same failed ideas would work in the west.

Hungary, Italy, Poland … One country after another Europe is rejecting the EUSSR. Yet you didn’t answer the question. When these mass protests by the people eventually happen in Britain, whose side will you be on?

The same mass protests about high taxation, multiculturalism, austerity, low wages … They’re all occurring in EU countries led by pro-European politicians. History repeating itself? We used to laugh at the drab East Germans behind their wall and cheer on those like Hungary and Czechoslovakia as they fought back against being ruled by a centralized USSR bureaucracy. It’s happening again, but this time it’s the Russians, Poles and Hungarians warning us against a very similar EU.

Where do you get your news from?
Look at the French news sites, not the usual biased UK ones.
Are there protests about pension changes? Yes.
Riots etc? No.
I was expecting some grief this week, but have seen nothing myself. There are problems, but it seems to me, much smaller than last year.
Of course actually being here during the working week, I may not see what others see on their computers.

Go on YouTube and type in Riots in France 2019

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Franglais:

Grandpa:

Will the yellow best rioters be arriving on unicorns? I might be up for a ride on one of them.

Big problems in France now and escalating. Looks as if another Macron EU globalist might be biting the dust shortly. That’s before Merkel who says, “I will not be seeking any political post after my term ends [2021].”
Poor Merkel, she spent half her life helping to destroy East Germany and the second half hoping the same failed ideas would work in the west.

Hungary, Italy, Poland … One country after another Europe is rejecting the EUSSR. Yet you didn’t answer the question. When these mass protests by the people eventually happen in Britain, whose side will you be on?

The same mass protests about high taxation, multiculturalism, austerity, low wages … They’re all occurring in EU countries led by pro-European politicians. History repeating itself? We used to laugh at the drab East Germans behind their wall and cheer on those like Hungary and Czechoslovakia as they fought back against being ruled by a centralized USSR bureaucracy. It’s happening again, but this time it’s the Russians, Poles and Hungarians warning us against a very similar EU.

Where do you get your news from?
Look at the French news sites, not the usual biased UK ones.
Are there protests about pension changes? Yes.
Riots etc? No.
I was expecting some grief this week, but have seen nothing myself. There are problems, but it seems to me, much smaller than last year.
Of course actually being here during the working week, I may not see what others see on their computers.

I try to get my news from live events. What are you saying, that nothing is happening? Is a proposed state of emergency (economic and social emergency) in place because nothing is happening? They’re even being described as riots.

This is 3 days ago. Are you saying it isn’t happening?

Perhaps you’d consider staying in France if you love the EU so much? But perhaps not as the French are quickly falling out of love with the Macron’s of Europe. :slight_smile:

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You can’t disguise what the EU is, or the people behind it. Centralized bureaucracy, the abolition of nation states, five year plans … Led by the type of elite political characters who would have felt just at home in the USSR. It’s not an opinion. Having trouble with your mortgage? Worried about stagnating wages? Have a look at something the ‘remain’ politicians don’t tell you. Of course, this is before the EU court ruled that salaries and expenses should be kept hidden from public view.

And my favourite. Every reason you can think of not to support membership of the EU.

Why would anyone in their right minds vote to pay taxes for this and is it any wonder that it’s almost impossible for countries to leave the EU once in? The real consequences will show themselves, as they did after the USSR collapse, with breaks-ups, violence and social chaos across Europe. It really isn’t something we should be part of and need to go through ourselves. Apart from the third-world, I don’t see many people running to the EU for a better life, but many running away from it.