Hmm Thats not the latest fiqures from these on 01159 366502…They are quite different… 
instructorone:
Hmm Thats not the latest fiqures from these on 01159 366502…They are quite different…
If you have a link to something different then feel free to post it 
I have found that a verbal whatever from the DSA can be different from what is actually stated in writing !!
But in this case it seems you might have something 
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The fees listed below are correct as of 30 March 2009.
Large goods vehicle instructor test feesLGV register part one - theory test £63.25
LGV register part two - driving ability £136.85
LGV register part three - instructional ability £136.85
LGV registration and re-registration fee £115.00
ROG:
instructorone:
Hmm Thats not the latest fiqures from these on 01159 366502…They are quite different…If you have a link to something different then feel free to post it
I have found that a verbal whatever from the DSA can be different from what is actually stated in writing !!
Err, it wouldn’t be appropriate to scan our bank statement onto here to show you the difference in the prices quoted on here to what the DSA take from our business card for these tests Rog… 
ROG:
instructorone:
Hmm Thats not the latest fiqures from these on 01159 366502…They are quite different…If you have a link to something different then feel free to post it
I have found that a verbal whatever from the DSA can be different from what is actually stated in writing !!
But in this case it seems you might have somethingThe fees listed below are correct as of 30 March 2009.
Large goods vehicle instructor test feesLGV register part one - theory test £63.25
LGV register part two - driving ability £136.85
LGV register part three - instructional ability £136.85
LGV registration and re-registration fee £115.00
They are the correct prices Rog…maybe you’d care to inform the owner of the site you got your original prices from that they are incorrect, and therefore, so was the information you were giving…
instructorone:
maybe you’d care to inform the owner of the site you got your original prices from that they are incorrect
Just done that - thanks - and they say thank you as well
instructorone:
Err, it wouldn’t be appropriate to scan our bank statement onto here to show you …
It would probably show the same as mine does - £00000000000000000000… 
No problem, but i had to check before i posted as the prices had changed from last year, and i thought they had changed yet again when i saw the prices you’d posted!! 
ROG:
instructorone:
Err, it wouldn’t be appropriate to scan our bank statement onto here to show you …It would probably show the same as mine does - £00000000000000000000…
I’m pleased to say it dosen’t… 
instructorone:
I’m pleased to say it dosen’t…
Hmmm… take that anyway you like…
bugcos:
Dont bother mate, I ran my own training school for 4 years without any qualifications, doesnt make any difference in my opinion, experience is all that counts
Disagree it makes a big difference especially when dealing with corporate clients
burnie1:
bugcos:
Dont bother mate, I ran my own training school for 4 years without any qualifications, doesnt make any difference in my opinion, experience is all that countsDisagree it makes a big difference especially when dealing with corporate clients
There are two issues here -
From the instructor point of view
From the company point of view
Lets be clear as to which is being discussed.
ROG:
burnie1:
bugcos:
Dont bother mate, I ran my own training school for 4 years without any qualifications, doesnt make any difference in my opinion, experience is all that countsDisagree it makes a big difference especially when dealing with corporate clients
There are two issues here -
From the instructor point of view
From the company point of view
Lets be clear as to which is being discussed.
Well from a learners point of view when I enquired about training I assumed that there has to be a framework of examinations and continuous assessment that an instructor has to go through. I was shocked to find out it is totally de-regulated.
OK, It is about trucks, but a recent discussion with my old landlady, a car instructor with 30 years experience has just had an assessment with the DSA man, well boy really, about 26 and he marked her down as grade 5.
She is happy enough with the result but I question his driving experience to either teach or assess
I don’t think age has anything to do with it.
Why can a 20 year old be an advanced driver and notice everything and a 50 year old who has had 30+ years of ‘experience’ notice very little 
There are 20 year old advanced observers teaching those much older for the AD test and many of those can do it better than 50 year olds doing the same.
ROG:
burnie1:
bugcos:
Dont bother mate, I ran my own training school for 4 years without any qualifications, doesnt make any difference in my opinion, experience is all that countsDisagree it makes a big difference especially when dealing with corporate clients
There are two issues here -
From the instructor point of view
From the company point of view
Lets be clear as to which is being discussed.
Should instructors not be proud that they have been independently assessed and passed?
The company who is employing them should be proud that they employ qualified staff to do the job
The customer should be confident that the training being given will be of some kind of standard
burnie1:
Should instructors not be proud that they have been independently assessed and passed?
The company who is employing them should be proud that they employ qualified staff to do the job
The customer should be confident that the training being given will be of some kind of standard
That would depend on the credibility of the qualification.
ROG:
burnie1:
Should instructors not be proud that they have been independently assessed and passed?
The company who is employing them should be proud that they employ qualified staff to do the job
The customer should be confident that the training being given will be of some kind of standardThat would depend on the credibility of the qualification.
I am talking about the DSA registration, how more credible can you get?
burnie1:
I am talking about the DSA registration, how more credible can you get?
Who says that it is credible
To be credible, it must be fit for purpose - is it
To be credible, you would expect it to include certain things - what should they be
Would you expect this to be like the approved and accreditted ADR instructor who, not only goes through very stringent exams to become an instructor, but also gets checked upon without prior notification to ensure they are delivering the training correctly so that the trainees understand what is being taught and is being taught in an appropriate manner by the instructor
OR
The car ADI instructor, who does their training with a real pupil but is overseen by a senior until they are considered ‘ready’ to go it alone.
When they do go it alone, they are then checked on their instructor ability by an examiner who can opt to sit with them when they deem fit whilst they are training a learner pupil.
Would you expect this to be the case for LGV instructors and would that make the qualification ‘credible’
The Advanced driver observer training in my group is done by having a potential observer sitting in with a senior obs who is ‘teaching’ an associate.
The trainee obs can then produce their own ‘take’ on what the associate has done during the drive and this can then be discussed by the trainee obs and the senior obs after the associate has departed.
Once the senior obs is happy that the trainee obs is up to speed then the trainee obs takes control of the drive with an associate with the senior observing.
When the senior obs is happy that the trainee obs has attained the ability to get the associate to test standard they are then ‘let loose’ with their own associate.
The senior obs will then keep in touch with the new obs so that any difficulties can quickly be resolved.
Prior to putting the associate in for test, the senior obs will do a ‘check drive’ with the associate and have the new observer sitting in as well.
The LGV instructor accreditation is not done this way - should it be
Sorry Rog I cannot see your point.
The testing is slightly different but you are comparing with an ADR instructor who only has to pass the same exams as the driver and prove he has the appropriate experiance and the comparison with the ADI is a bit strange as the same examiners test the LGV instructors as well?
The DSA registered instructor has to pass 4 tests that are of a higher standard than that of a driver
Theory Test
Hazard Perception test
Driving ability test
Instructional ability test
Surely if some one passes these test they could be classes as credible?
Looks like we are going into that old debate again 
The VOLUNTARY DSA LGV instructor register has no real merit as there is no formal real life training involved.
It’s just a few tests that a LGV instructor can take to get a piece of paper.
Those tests might have a higher score to get to in order to pass them but are they really testing what a good instructor should be?
The system does not allow for periodical examination of the instructor whilst actually instructing a trainee.
If the system had consisted of a proper accreditted instructor training programme with ongoing testing then that would be different.
It does not mean they are better or worse than any other non registered LGV instructor.
Companies like it because it looks good to punters.
So to conclude: -
The current DSA LGV instructor accreditation does not necessarily make for a good instructor.
It does look good to punters from a company perspective.
The thread title is - who trains the trainers - in the case of LGV instructors it is usually other LGV instructors and there is not a UK training course structure for that !!