Franglais:
If driver lives an hour from base, gets back after a 15hr spread, and truck is due out with a night truncker?
Tough [zb] if he does not get back after his 15 for night trunker, they should not be planning last minute max hour schedules with no leeway for unforseens.
A few times not getting back would stop that kind of ■■■■ poor planning.
I’m saying (not clearly maybe) a boss could expect a driver to do a full shift, and start just 9hrs later, even if he has to drive home and back to yard in that time. He’ll not get enough rest.
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That’s right, but I would have that down as an unreasonable request that compromises safety in terms of driving whilst tired, so basically it would be a firm ‘‘No’’.
Expecting and achieving are 2 different things,…
Look…it all goes down to the same old thing, they only get away with what you allow them to, if you’re stupid enough to do it you’ll always get it.
TM: Why are you parking up on 13hrs? You’ve got a 15 you can get back.
Me: I’m tired, I’ve done 2x15s this week.
TM: You have to get back.
Me: I told the office at the start of the shift, and informed them all night I could not get back.
TM: We need the unit you must get back
Me: I’ve stated that I’m tired. Send me a text saying you understand I’m tired but I have to drive another 60 miles back.
TM:…
TM. Call in after your rest.
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Just the way it’s got mate…(fully agree with you btw.)
I remember the days of.12.5 hours max spreadover, when we used to get time + half over 40 hours.
Then the ridiculous limits we know today came in, and drivers being drivers voted (in a turkey voting for Christmas way) to get increase in hourly rate …but same rate right through.
Then the rates never increased in any dramatic way over the years, so now we have idiots boasting of their ‘‘good money’’ not taking into account the ridiculous hours they have to work to achieve it.
Just think of the ‘‘good money’’ if the 40 + time and a half still stood with working 70+ hours …it actually WOULD be ‘‘good money’’
Very clever people are management, very dim people are a lot of drivers.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
Go into a supermarket in management and you will do plenty of 13-15 hour shifts. A guy I used to work with did 16 hours last night.
No taco insisting on breaks or days off either.
My girlfriend works in a college and does 10 hours at work most days, usually having lunch at her desk working and probably 1-2 hours a night once she gets home.
I agree drivers can work a lot of “funny” hours with changing start times and I think that is the bigger issue than the total. Especially when you take out how much poa/break a lot of drivers book
WhiteTruckMan:
I’m curious. How many people can supermarket managers or college workers kill if they fall asleep on the job?
You could definitely do some injuries, possibly kill (but unlikely) with some of the kit in a shop. I agree definitely less than driving a truck.
However knowing that if a truck driver continues to drive in a state he is not fit to that is his fault. He needs to say no I am parking up I’m tired. If needs be get a different job with better/less hours.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
15 is immoral when you are forced to do it.
BTW my average day is 10 hours although sometimes it stretches to a 12 hour but then again I work for a modern and progressive company that puts the welfare of its staff first.
And my pay is way above average therefore the need to spend 70 hours at work is eliminated.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
Go into a supermarket in management and you will do plenty of 13-15 hour shifts. A guy I used to work with did 16 hours last night.
No taco insisting on breaks or days off either.
My girlfriend works in a college and does 10 hours at work most days, usually having lunch at her desk working and probably 1-2 hours a night once she gets home.
I agree drivers can work a lot of “funny” hours with changing start times and I think that is the bigger issue than the total. Especially when you take out how much poa/break a lot of drivers book
My neighbour is a supermarket shift manager. Usual shift is 9 hours. However in the run up to christmas he works longer but its over and done with by January. Its a bit different when its all year round.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
Go into a supermarket in management and you will do plenty of 13-15 hour shifts. A guy I used to work with did 16 hours last night.
No taco insisting on breaks or days off either.
My girlfriend works in a college and does 10 hours at work most days, usually having lunch at her desk working and probably 1-2 hours a night once she gets home.
I agree drivers can work a lot of “funny” hours with changing start times and I think that is the bigger issue than the total. Especially when you take out how much poa/break a lot of drivers book
My neighbour is a supermarket shift manager. Usual shift is 9 hours. However in the run up to christmas he works longer but its over and done with by January. Its a bit different when its all year round.
Lucky him, there’s not many management jobs like that, especially these days. I did near 20 years in retail and 60plus hour weeks ALL year were the norm. Not just me but the others I worked with. Then more at Christmas/Easter
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
15 is immoral when you are forced to do it.
BTW my average day is 10 hours although sometimes it stretches to a 12 hour but then again I work for a modern and progressive company that puts the welfare of its staff first.
And my pay is way above average therefore the need to spend 70 hours at work is eliminated.
Kicking children in the face is immoral, however fun it may be, legally working is not.
Wow. Typical blowhard “my wages are better than everyone else’s ever”, when the conversation isn’t about money and no one has asked or cares.
msgyorkie:
What I cannot get my head around is that people that work in offices/factories/supermarkets etc, are not expected to be forced to work 15 hour shifts so how the hell have we allowed our industry to fall back to Dickensian work practises?
13 is plenty—15 is immoral.
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
15 is immoral when you are forced to do it.
BTW my average day is 10 hours although sometimes it stretches to a 12 hour but then again I work for a modern and progressive company that puts the welfare of its staff first.
And my pay is way above average therefore the need to spend 70 hours at work is eliminated.
Kicking children in the face is immoral, however fun it may be, legally working is not.
Wow. Typical blowhard “my wages are better than everyone else’s ever”, when the conversation isn’t about money and no one has asked or cares.
Never meant to blow about my wages but the point im making is that because I am paid corrrectly by my company we dont feel the need to work a 15 hour shift just to earn a respectable salary.
Buts thats ok fella you crack on and flog your life away.
msgyorkie:
Never meant to blow about my wages but the point im making is that because I am paid corrrectly by my company we dont feel the need to work a 15 hour shift just to earn a respectable salary.
Buts thats ok fella you crack on and flog your life away.
If you’ve got a good job with good t.s and c.s look after it mate.
Speaking from experience you don’t realise what you have to it’s gone.
I was made redundant from a co who treated me like a grown up about 10 yrs ago, because the boss retired, I would still have been there today otherwise.
15 hour days and all the rest of the crap will never change unless driver’s attitudes do, you get off them ‘‘It’s the nature of the job’’/ ‘‘It’s the done thing’’ ■■■■■■■■ …yeh just because it’s been made that way , and so was kids going down coalmines, but progress prevailed in the end.
I don’t give a ■■■■ if shop managers, butchers, bakers or ■■■■ candlestick makers do the same hours or more, 15 hour days with 9 hours rest driving 44 tonnes among other road users and pedestrians etc is not condusive with road safety.
The hours should be btought up to Century 21 standards and wages adjusted to it accordinglly, but until the big balled heroes among us see sense… we’re basically Donald Ducked.
TheUncaringCowboy:
Go work in an office/factory/supermarket then.
15 is immoral, heard it all now. The country is polluted with the idle.
Plenty do longer and harder work than steering a truck around, get a grip.
15 is immoral when you are forced to do it.
BTW my average day is 10 hours although sometimes it stretches to a 12 hour but then again I work for a modern and progressive company that puts the welfare of its staff first.
And my pay is way above average therefore the need to spend 70 hours at work is eliminated.
Kicking children in the face is immoral, however fun it may be, legally working is not.
Wow. Typical blowhard “my wages are better than everyone else’s ever”, when the conversation isn’t about money and no one has asked or cares.
Never meant to blow about my wages but the point im making is that because I am paid corrrectly by my company we dont feel the need to work a 15 hour shift just to earn a respectable salary.
Buts thats ok fella you crack on and flog your life away.
I quite likely get paid more than you, I’m not paid by the hour either.
You crack on telling everyone who doesn’t want to listen about how you’re way above average though.
TheUncaringCowboy:
I’d happily work 15s every day of the week, if only it were allowed.
15 isn’t enough sometimes, as for 9 off sometimes that’s too long. Much better just to do it as you want to.
At the end of the day you’re employed to do a job and you are legally allowed to work for 15 hours in a day. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable request for your management to plan you to work it.
Ahhhhh i used to be just like you! Then one day I woke up and realized 15 hour working days are insane
voted (in a turkey voting for Christmas way) to get increase in hourly rate …but same rate right through.
