the maoster:
I hate this crap! I hate these children in traffic offices who expect you to be at work hours before they rock up and then still expect you to be working long after they’ve gone home! if you want to do a 15 then do a 15, if you want to cut your day short then cut it short. There aren’t many on here that are delivering blood or transplant organs therefore tomorrow is a whole new day not yet started!
We have one such spunktrumpet in our office who will without fail ask “what time did you start today?” And without fail my answer will be “you’re asking the wrong question, you should be asking what time I’ll be finishing today” I then ask him what time he’s finishing, to which he’ll reply “6” and so I say “yeah, that’ll do nicely, 6 it is then”
If an office bod demands that I reduce my break I always tell them to have 9 hours off and phone me from the office when they come back in, if they don’t phone me from the office after 9 off then I don’t have 9 off either.
+1
I don’t mind doing a 15 on 9 off now and again, mainly for my own benefit, but I will not be told to do so.
If it got down to the bitter end and they completely ■■■■■■ me off I would play the Not driving while tired card, and there would be ■■■■ all they could say.
However if I’m asked and a good reason is given I’ll gladly do it no problem, but this way it stops them using the limits as targets (as many do) and treating you like some kind of drudge.
If I had my way 15s would be either banned, or at the least only one allowed per week at driver’s discretion.
Sutto2018:
I just want to know the legalities of it for a investigation I’m under…
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For the sake of £12 per month you could have had Union legal advice. This is a lesson for all drivers… No matter if there is no union representation in your workplace get yourself into a union at lest for the free legal help in a dispute
No Union at my place, what Union could I join?
USDAW, UNITE OR UNITE THE UNION THE ONES I HAVE BEEN
Boss: Sutto, I need you to do me a favour. Head to X and pick up this for me would you?
You: Thatll put me over 13 hrs. Not doing it
Boss: I need a favour. Youll be back before your 15 is up
You: Nope. Im not legally obliged to do 15 if I dont want to
Boss: ok
Two weeks later -
You: Boss, I need a favour. My child/wife/mother has an appoitment at 5 tonight so I need to be finished early
Boss: Remember when I asked YOU for a favour a fortnight ago…
A tad extreme maybe but the point is valid. Too many drivers want it to be a one way street and think anything less than telling the boss to stick it counts as bending over and being shafted.
It depends on why youre asking of course though. If its regularly expected of you and your planners are unbending in not giving you any favours then fair enough but if its a decent place where they accomodate you then you need to remember its a two way street.
I believe in come and go with employers and will do things I dont want to as long as I know it is up my sleeve and they will remember it.
I think in 2018 the right to limit your working day to 13 hours is not unreasonable. 13 hour shift is plenty to give a firm. As for doing the Boss a favour it’s my experience that that favour soon gets forgotten when it’s time to collect.
I agree. 13 hrs is more than enough but my point was just if its a one-off, occasional type thing then don’t expect any favours if you keep refusing to do any favours. But if its all the time (as in most days) then yes, refusing to keep doing them is the only course of action
If you do a favour and it doesnt get returned when you need it then dont do any more but if the boss is accommodating for you then it needs to be give and take, thats all im saying
the maoster:
I hate this crap! I hate these children in traffic offices who expect you to be at work hours before they rock up and then still expect you to be working long after they’ve gone home! if you want to do a 15 then do a 15, if you want to cut your day short then cut it short. There aren’t many on here that are delivering blood or transplant organs therefore tomorrow is a whole new day not yet started!
We have one such spunktrumpet in our office who will without fail ask “what time did you start today?” And without fail my answer will be “you’re asking the wrong question, you should be asking what time I’ll be finishing today” I then ask him what time he’s finishing, to which he’ll reply “6” and so I say “yeah, that’ll do nicely, 6 it is then”
If an office bod demands that I reduce my break I always tell them to have 9 hours off and phone me from the office when they come back in, if they don’t phone me from the office after 9 off then I don’t have 9 off either.
+1
I don’t mind doing a 15 on 9 off now and again, mainly for my own benefit, but I will not be told to do so.
If it got down to the bitter end and they completely ■■■■■■ me off I would play the Not driving while tired card, and there would be [zb] all they could say.
However if I’m asked and a good reason is given I’ll gladly do it no problem, but this way it stops them using the limits as targets (as many do) and treating you like some kind of drudge.
If I had my way 15s would be either banned, or at the least only one allowed per week at driver’s discretion.
I do as many as I can (15)s all week (split shifts) included, all I ask is they give me a decent finish on my last day which my last shift is a Monday’s. I love the money good pay plenty a work, but like u said they take it as a target by using our limits which I ■■■■■■ despise.
Sutto2018:
I just want to know the legalities of it for a investigation I’m under…
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For the sake of £12 per month you could have had Union legal advice. This is a lesson for all drivers… No matter if there is no union representation in your workplace get yourself into a union at lest for the free legal help in a dispute
I am, I have, I’m on here to ask for peoples advice
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So what was the opinion of your Union when you asked them?
Sutto2018:
I just want to know the legalities of it for a investigation I’m under…
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For the sake of £12 per month you could have had Union legal advice. This is a lesson for all drivers… No matter if there is no union representation in your workplace get yourself into a union at lest for the free legal help in a dispute
I am, I have, I’m on here to ask for peoples advice
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So what was the opinion of your Union when you asked them?
I have an investigation meeting tomorrow then they decide on wether it goes to disciplinary if so I can get representation from union.
Gaffer: “I want to put this where the sun doesn’t shine, and I need you to pop down the Chemist and pick up a consignment of vasaline for me.”
Driver: “That would take me over 13 hours - Not doing it”.
Gaffer: "If you don’t do it, - guess what gets stuck where the sun don’t shine - but now without lube. "
Driver:
muckles:
So what was the opinion of your Union when you asked them?
I have an investigation meeting tomorrow then they decide on wether it goes to disciplinary if so I can get representation from union.
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This correct, but they offered you no legal opinion on who decides if they should reduce a daily rest period?
My totally untrained legal opinion after reading the actual EU drivers hours regs document, EU 561/2006 or something, is there is nothing in the regs stating whose decision it is to reduce a daily rest period, so you’ll get nothing in writing saying its your decision, but obviously it’s your decision not to drive if you feel it’s unsafe to do so, but they might ask why you were tired that day, eg. Personal circumstances for not getting enough rest the night before and why you didn’t mention it at the time.
Normally my attitude during any disciplinary hearing has been to stand my ground, however this hasn’t always gone well and has lead to a written warning in one place and both parties agreeing that I will leave the company immediately, but with a months pay at another.
the maoster:
I hate this crap! I hate these children in traffic offices who expect you to be at work hours before they rock up and then still expect you to be working long after they’ve gone home! if you want to do a 15 then do a 15, if you want to cut your day short then cut it short. There aren’t many on here that are delivering blood or transplant organs therefore tomorrow is a whole new day not yet started!
We have one such spunktrumpet in our office who will without fail ask “what time did you start today?” And without fail my answer will be “you’re asking the wrong question, you should be asking what time I’ll be finishing today” I then ask him what time he’s finishing, to which he’ll reply “6” and so I say “yeah, that’ll do nicely, 6 it is then”
If an office bod demands that I reduce my break I always tell them to have 9 hours off and phone me from the office when they come back in, if they don’t phone me from the office after 9 off then I don’t have 9 off either.
+1
I don’t mind doing a 15 on 9 off now and again, mainly for my own benefit, but I will not be told to do so.
If it got down to the bitter end and they completely ■■■■■■ me off I would play the Not driving while tired card, and there would be [zb] all they could say.
However if I’m asked and a good reason is given I’ll gladly do it no problem, but this way it stops them using the limits as targets (as many do) and treating you like some kind of drudge.
If I had my way 15s would be either banned, or at the least only one allowed per week at driver’s discretion.
I’d like to see the law changed that 15’s are only allowed away from base.
I’d happily work 15s every day of the week, if only it were allowed.
15 isn’t enough sometimes, as for 9 off sometimes that’s too long. Much better just to do it as you want to.
At the end of the day you’re employed to do a job and you are legally allowed to work for 15 hours in a day. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable request for your management to plan you to work it.
TheUncaringCowboy:
I’d happily work 15s every day of the week, if only it were allowed.
15 isn’t enough sometimes, as for 9 off sometimes that’s too long. Much better just to do it as you want to.
At the end of the day you’re employed to do a job and you are legally allowed to work for 15 hours in a day. I don’t think it’s an unreasonable request for your management to plan you to work it.
You’re entitled to your opinion mate, but you’ve just illustrated why there are tacho rules and limits…to protect some drivers from themselves.
the maoster:
I hate this crap! I hate these children in traffic offices who expect you to be at work hours before they rock up and then still expect you to be working long after they’ve gone home! if you want to do a 15 then do a 15, if you want to cut your day short then cut it short. There aren’t many on here that are delivering blood or transplant organs therefore tomorrow is a whole new day not yet started!
We have one such spunktrumpet in our office who will without fail ask “what time did you start today?” And without fail my answer will be “you’re asking the wrong question, you should be asking what time I’ll be finishing today” I then ask him what time he’s finishing, to which he’ll reply “6” and so I say “yeah, that’ll do nicely, 6 it is then”
If an office bod demands that I reduce my break I always tell them to have 9 hours off and phone me from the office when they come back in, if they don’t phone me from the office after 9 off then I don’t have 9 off either.
+1
I don’t mind doing a 15 on 9 off now and again, mainly for my own benefit, but I will not be told to do so.
If it got down to the bitter end and they completely ■■■■■■ me off I would play the Not driving while tired card, and there would be [zb] all they could say.
However if I’m asked and a good reason is given I’ll gladly do it no problem, but this way it stops them using the limits as targets (as many do) and treating you like some kind of drudge.
If I had my way 15s would be either banned, or at the least only one allowed per week at driver’s discretion.
I’d like to see the law changed that 15’s are only allowed away from base.
You’re on 13 hours, you’re 1 hour from base, you can legally work another 2 hours, so long as you don’t go home??
There’s nothing in the legislation that’s any different between 13 / 15 although obviously it talks about 9 / 11, so if you believe you can be planned a 13, then that’s also true for a 15, unless your contract says something different.
You can always pull the tired card, but that’ll potentially only work so many times before it causes you issues and that has nothing to do with 13/15, if you’re tired after 5 hours or 8 or whatever
the maoster:
I hate this crap! I hate these children in traffic offices who expect you to be at work hours before they rock up and then still expect you to be working long after they’ve gone home! if you want to do a 15 then do a 15, if you want to cut your day short then cut it short. There aren’t many on here that are delivering blood or transplant organs therefore tomorrow is a whole new day not yet started!
We have one such spunktrumpet in our office who will without fail ask “what time did you start today?” And without fail my answer will be “you’re asking the wrong question, you should be asking what time I’ll be finishing today” I then ask him what time he’s finishing, to which he’ll reply “6” and so I say “yeah, that’ll do nicely, 6 it is then”
If an office bod demands that I reduce my break I always tell them to have 9 hours off and phone me from the office when they come back in, if they don’t phone me from the office after 9 off then I don’t have 9 off either.
+1
I don’t mind doing a 15 on 9 off now and again, mainly for my own benefit, but I will not be told to do so.
If it got down to the bitter end and they completely ■■■■■■ me off I would play the Not driving while tired card, and there would be [zb] all they could say.
However if I’m asked and a good reason is given I’ll gladly do it no problem, but this way it stops them using the limits as targets (as many do) and treating you like some kind of drudge.
If I had my way 15s would be either banned, or at the least only one allowed per week at driver’s discretion.
I’d like to see the law changed that 15’s are only allowed away from base.
You’re on 13 hours, you’re 1 hour from base, you can legally work another 2 hours, so long as you don’t go home??
If driver lives an hour from base, gets back after a 15hr spread, and truck is due out with a night truncker?
I can see what you mean, but so long as there are opportunities for abuse of rules, we will need strong (excessive?) rules.
Franglais:
If driver lives an hour from base, gets back after a 15hr spread, and truck is due out with a night truncker?
Tough ■■■■ if he does not get back after his 15 for night trunker, they should not be planning last minute max hour schedules with no leeway for unforseens.
A few times not getting back would stop that kind of ■■■■ poor planning.
The point I was getting at, a driver who wants to go home, wouldn’t legally be able to get home if it meant going over a 13, despite having the time available do long as he didn’t go home, I just think drivers would be up in arms over that one
Depends if you’re a day man or tramper.
As a tramper,I liked to maximize my earning potential…so 3 shifts over 13 hours,never bothered me.
However I’m a day man now,and am currently sat waiting to load the second run I’ve refused to run with,today.
Franglais:
If driver lives an hour from base, gets back after a 15hr spread, and truck is due out with a night truncker?
Tough [zb] if he does not get back after his 15 for night trunker, they should not be planning last minute max hour schedules with no leeway for unforseens.
A few times not getting back would stop that kind of ■■■■ poor planning.
I’m saying (not clearly maybe) a boss could expect a driver to do a full shift, and start just 9hrs later, even if he has to drive home and back to yard in that time. He’ll not get enough rest.
stevieboy308:
The point I was getting at, a driver who wants to go home, wouldn’t legally be able to get home if it meant going over a 13, despite having the time available do long as he didn’t go home, I just think drivers would be up in arms over that one
I do see that.
Hours regs are a bit of a blunt instrument so will never suit all circumstances. And always someone will look for loopholes so…
if you want to do a 15 then do a 15, if you want to cut your day short then cut it short. There aren’t many on here that are delivering blood or transplant organs therefore tomorrow is a whole new day not yet started!
