Rowley010:
SUV at fault but the PROFESSIONAL driver could have taken steps such as move his fingers if that’s not too much effort or too much too ask to put a signal on to show other road users what his intention was and this may have avoided the crash. That’s all there is to it. End of.
Exactly right and that is what is lacking in a lot of so called professionals. It’s the attitude that I am right so I am coming through no matter what because I am bigger than you.
This kind of driving is becoming more prevalent on our roads and not just with lorries. There is very little respect or courteousy these days and I personally am glad I very rarely drive in the UK anymore.
BAD attitude = Bad driver. End of.
Yes bad attitude and lack of courtesy on the part of the driver who was trying to turn right from the left of a roundabout having entered it in the wrong lane,in failing to give way to the truck.Very likely at that point being in a front nearside blind spot and the driver reasonably expecting nothing to be there.
As for ‘this’ country feel free to try the same stunt in Italy or even France using the nearside on entry and on the roundabout to turn left and see what happens.
ROG has got it spot on.
Typical Brit attitude and I would bet you are wrong. The driver in the SUV probably made a genuine mistake as many do but in typical Brit form nobody is prepared to make any allowance for that instead charging on totally blinkered.
You also seem to have the wrong idea about Italians. I have driven in Europe probably as much as I have in the Uk and the Italians while quite aggressive are far more aware of situations than most of us dopey Brits. There reactions to situations are far sharper and in general they are far more switched on.
As for Rog, he only knew what happened by digging deeper because the video posted did not tell the whole story.
All this blind spot checking talk is a load of [zb] ,why would the lorry driver not expect a vehicle up his near side ? Both lanes go the same way and are marked the same A17 and A46 with the right lane also having the B road for Newark too .
Punchy Dan:
All this blind spot checking talk is a load of [zb] ,why would the lorry driver not expect a vehicle up his near side ? Both lanes go the same way and are marked the same A17 and A46 with the right lane also having the B road for Newark too .
I don’t know, mate. Me personally - even though I only drive a rigid, I start watching my mirrors as soon as I approach a roundabout, take note of the nearest vehicle behind me (on the side/each side) then keep checking mirrors to ensure the vehicle(s) is still there and if it isn’t I get nervous and won’t change lane/direction unless I can see it elsewhere. That and always indicating just so I can then say “I told you I was turning”
Punchy Dan:
All this blind spot checking talk is a load of [zb] ,why would the lorry driver not expect a vehicle up his near side ? Both lanes go the same way and are marked the same A17 and A46 with the right lane also having the B road for Newark too .
I don’t know, mate. Me personally - even though I only drive a rigid, I start watching my mirrors as soon as I approach a roundabout, take note of the nearest vehicle behind me (on the side/each side) then keep checking mirrors to ensure the vehicle(s) is still there and if it isn’t I get nervous and won’t change lane/direction unless I can see it elsewhere. That and always indicating just so I can then say “I told you I was turning”
Well ETS I know and Punchy Dan is quite correct. Even although you drive a rigid it sounds as if your observation skills etc are spot on. Others though charge on regardless and blame blind spots for their lack of observation and poor driving.
ETS:
Me personally - even though I only drive a rigid, I start watching my mirrors as soon as I approach a roundabout, take note of the nearest vehicle behind me (on the side/each side) then keep checking mirrors to ensure the vehicle(s) is still there and if it isn’t I get nervous and won’t change lane/direction
Well ETS I know and Punchy Dan is quite correct. Even although you drive a rigid it sounds as if your observation skills etc are spot on. Others though charge on regardless and blame blind spots for their lack of observation and poor driving.
I think you’ll find that PD has made a typo he meant ‘‘why would the lorry driver expect’’.
Picture the scene you keep driving round and round a roundabout until you run out of hours then have to park up on the roundabout because people keep going around the inside of you and you’re too scared to exit the roundabout.
Seriously if others use nearside to turn right then no one can safely use offside to go straight on or even turn right.It effectively takes out the offside of the roundabout.Unless you like crashing a lot and being blamed for the mistakes of others.
ETS:
Me personally - even though I only drive a rigid, I start watching my mirrors as soon as I approach a roundabout, take note of the nearest vehicle behind me (on the side/each side) then keep checking mirrors to ensure the vehicle(s) is still there and if it isn’t I get nervous and won’t change lane/direction
Well ETS I know and Punchy Dan is quite correct. Even although you drive a rigid it sounds as if your observation skills etc are spot on. Others though charge on regardless and blame blind spots for their lack of observation and poor driving.
I think you’ll find that PD has made a typo he meant ‘‘why would the lorry driver expect’’.
Picture the scene you keep driving round and round a roundabout until you run out of hours then have to park up on the roundabout because people keep going around the inside of you and you’re too scared to exit the roundabout.
Seriously if others use nearside to turn right then no one can safely use offside to go straight on or even turn right.It effectively takes out the offside of the roundabout.Unless you like crashing a lot and being blamed for the mistakes of others.
What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
Looks pretty clear to me tbh.
You can use either of the two lanes to exit the roundabout into that two lane road.
The truck is in the second lane, exiting the roundabout onto the second lane of the road.
The suv is in the first lane, intending to carry on round the roundabout.
Trucker is driving correctly, suv driver isn’t
Personally I would indicate left from the exit before the one I wanted.
These days very few drivers of any vehicle bother indicating at all.
I’m guessing the indicator stalk is where they all hang their handbags, now there are no choke knobs to hang them on.
What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
What’s your point Night Owl ? These people you talk of probably don’t realise but that’s not their problem. Is it? It’s the lorry drivers problem.
So what’s the solution? I know…Do you?
There was a thread about this a long time ago and it was amazing all the different theories.
jakethesnake: What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
What’s your point Night Owl ? These people you talk of probably don’t realise but that’s not their problem. Is it? It’s the lorry drivers problem.
So what’s the solution? I know…Do you?
There was a thread about this a long time ago and it was amazing all the different theories.
irrespective of how in theory someone is specifically to blame apart from the idiots who marked out the road then unless ive been cut up and held out,id never be leaving a roundabout in any lane apart from the nearside one.
jakethesnake: What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
What’s your point Night Owl ? These people you talk of probably don’t realise but that’s not their problem. Is it? It’s the lorry drivers problem.
So what’s the solution? I know…Do you?
There was a thread about this a long time ago and it was amazing all the different theories.
Highway code rule 221 says it is their problem.
Try reading it again and try to understand what it says. It does not say it is their problem at all.
Misinterpreted information seems to be a problem for some.
jakethesnake: What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
What’s your point Night Owl ? These people you talk of probably don’t realise but that’s not their problem. Is it? It’s the lorry drivers problem.
So what’s the solution? I know…Do you?
There was a thread about this a long time ago and it was amazing all the different theories.
Highway code rule 221 says it is their problem.
Try reading it again and try to understand what it says. It does not say it is their problem at all.
Misinterpreted information seems to be a problem for some.
There’s no misinterpretation of rule 185 and 186.Yes we get it,like the car driver in this example,you like the idea of turning right from the wrong side of a roundabout and then blaming everyone else for the inevitable results your own inability to use roundabouts correctly.As for 221 ignoring it is obviously also the problem of the person who did the ignoring of it just like 185 and 186.
dieseldog999:
irrespective of how in theory someone is specifically to blame apart from the idiots who marked out the road then unless ive been cut up and held out,id never be leaving a roundabout in any lane apart from the nearside one.
Firstly if you’re using the correct side of the roundabout to turn right then you still have to cross from the offside to the nearside to exit the roundabout regardless.
It’s obvious that using roundabouts according to the rules becomes impossible given the situation of drivers or road planners who think it’s ok to use the nearside of a roundabout to turn right in contradiction with rule 186.Regardless of any rule change saying that only the nearside lane can be used on the exit.
As for me I’ve also always gone by the rule that two truck’s can’t enter a roundabout side by side together and even in the case of driving a car always hold back and allow any trucks to enter first and go through the roundabout ahead of me in line with rule 187 and 221.
So in the this case the car driver entered the roundabout in total ignorance of 185,186,187 and 221 and the rest is history.
jakethesnake: What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
What’s your point Night Owl ? These people you talk of probably don’t realise but that’s not their problem. Is it? It’s the lorry drivers problem.
So what’s the solution? I know…Do you?
There was a thread about this a long time ago and it was amazing all the different theories.
Highway code rule 221 says it is their problem.
Try reading it again and try to understand what it says. It does not say it is their problem at all.
Misinterpreted information seems to be a problem for some.
221
Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn.
jakethesnake: What a lot of people who dont drive dont realise is that when you’re going round a roundabout, the left hand mirror quite often shows nothing more than the trailer headboard.
What’s your point Night Owl ? These people you talk of probably don’t realise but that’s not their problem. Is it? It’s the lorry drivers problem.
So what’s the solution? I know…Do you?
There was a thread about this a long time ago and it was amazing all the different theories.
Highway code rule 221 says it is their problem.
Try reading it again and try to understand what it says. It does not say it is their problem at all.
Misinterpreted information seems to be a problem for some.
221
Large vehicles. These may need extra road space to turn or to deal with a hazard that you are not able to see. If you are following a large vehicle, such as a bus or articulated lorry, be aware that the driver may not be able to see you in the mirrors. Be prepared to stop and wait if it needs room or time to turn.
Seems pretty clear cut to me.
So we just move over and squash anything in our way? It ain’t that clear cut. It’s the lorry drivers responsibility and not the cars.
jakethesnake:
So we just move over and squash anything in our way?
No.But if you ignore rule 221 and then get taken out,having not been seen because you’ve ignored it,that’s a different matter.Bearing in mind also ignoring 185-187 in this case.
jakethesnake:
So we just move over and squash anything in our way?
No.But if you ignore rule 221 and then get taken out,having not been seen because you’ve ignored it,that’s a different matter.Bearing in mind also ignoring 185-187 in this case.
So you agree the truck in the video should have used a left signal which may have prevented the accident?
jakethesnake:
So we just move over and squash anything in our way?
No.But if you ignore rule 221 and then get taken out,having not been seen because you’ve ignored it,that’s a different matter.Bearing in mind also ignoring 185-187 in this case.
So you agree the truck in the video should have used a left signal which may have prevented the accident?
Yes I do agree that the truck should have indicated the intention to exit the roundabout.But no don’t agree that it would have prevented this accident.Because the car was in the wrong place at the wrong time beyond the point where any indication would have made an difference,because the car driver had ignored all those rules listed.
IE shouldn’t even have entered the roundabout together with the truck because of you know stuff like limited visibility and cut in and tail sweep.Let alone also being on the wrong side of it,not just along side it,because he was also using the wrong side of the roundabout to turn right in addition to ignoring the former points.
or even France using the nearside on entry and on the roundabout to turn left and see what happens.
