It does not matter if the bus driver was reading the road or not. The responsibility is on the truck driver to check his mirrors before making the maneouvre. And if the truck driver had read the road properly he would have straddled the two lanes to try and keep muppets out. 
Even if the bus driver did know about truck tail swing (which as a large vehicle driver he should), how could he know just when the truck was going to set off to turn? As someome else said, the truck could sit there for 5 minutes waiting for a gap. When the bus driver made the decision to continue in his own lane, that lane width was available to him unimpeded.
BIt like when you have to go on the wrong side of the road to pass parked cars, then car appears from opposite direction & has to slow or stop. The driver gets angry, but you are entitled to be there because when you made your decision to proceed, the road ahead was clear.
I hate turning right into side road with an artic when there’s parked cars on my left near the back of the trailer. You rigid drivers don’t know how easy you have it being able to see both sides and the rear corners of the vehicle in the mirrors all of the time.
yes but after we’ve destroyed parked cars we can’t say we didn’t know we’d done it.
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
ROG:
If there had been only one lane and the swing would go over the pavement with a pedestrian running along it - would the truck driver be at fault if the swing hit the pedestrian- YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
most roads are wide enough to make a right turn with out the rear end going over the pavement, it’s when a bus lane is put in, usually where there is not enough room for 2 lanes carrying vehicles that are 8’ wide.
So the council and their bus priority measures can be blamed.
Bus lanes were the worst thing that were ever invented.
Very few people know how to use them properly, including bus drivers.
I’m sick of having dirty looks for driving down a bus lane outwith it’s operating hours when there is a long queue in the outside lane.
Newcastle & Sunderland (and maybe more places too) have “no car” lanes now.
It’s marvellous looking at the irate faces of all the reps who shot off from the lights at mach2 as you repass them on the inside in your special lane. Kinda makes you feel like senior communist party official in Moscow (or is that just me?)
the maoster:
Newcastle & Sunderland (and maybe more places too) have “no car” lanes now.
It’s marvellous looking at the irate faces of all the reps who shot off from the lights at mach2 as you repass them on the inside in your special lane. Kinda makes you feel like senior communist party official in Moscow (or is that just me?)
I’m regularly in Newcastle, used to live there and only live 12 miles away now.
The amount of No-car lanes springing up actually convinced me to buy a van as my private vehicle. Worth every penny, barely even stop now, just mosey on through, past all the traffic. 
Back to topic.
100% truck drivers fault. I remember my instructor (in both trucks and buses) telling me it’s not another road users responsibility to look out for YOUR overhang.
Chiz:
100% truck drivers fault. I remember my instructor (in both trucks and buses) telling me it’s not another road users responsibility to look out for YOUR overhang.
spot on 
I would say bus driver. Never mind all this “the trucks swing went into his lane” stuff. If the truck was properly positioned then considering the bus has a better view of his arse end and is also supposed to be a “professional” then the bus driver should have anticipated the rear end swing.
That’s like entering a roundabout on a duel carriageway with two trucks side by side. Mr “I’m faster than you and can’t be arsed to wait 10 secs until your off the roundabout” truck driver in the outside lane is going for it. As you are on the inside lane you know the trucks trailer is going to cut in. So using the (truck driver is wrong scenario in this post) would you just carry on regardless knowing his trailer is going to take you out? No you would wait until the idiot has gone. It’s called common sense, sadly lacking these days.
Having said all that, I would have blocked BOTH lanes (if the bus lane times were not in force) to make sure this didn’t happen.
It would help if you would put a locacion of were this road is so we could have a look at it on live maps may help us.
Del
EnglishTrucker:
I would say bus driver. Never mind all this “the trucks swing went into his lane” stuff. If the truck was properly positioned then considering the bus has a better view of his arse end and is also supposed to be a “professional” then the bus driver should have anticipated the rear end swing.
As i said: how could he know just when the truck was going to set off?
Driveroneuk:
EnglishTrucker:
I would say bus driver. Never mind all this “the trucks swing went into his lane” stuff. If the truck was properly positioned then considering the bus has a better view of his arse end and is also supposed to be a “professional” then the bus driver should have anticipated the rear end swing.As i said: how could he know just when the truck was going to set off?
You can usually tell by looking up the road to see where the gap is. If there was a gap 3 cars up then there would be a good chance he would make a turn, so bus dude could have slowed down and waited for him to turn. In my experience, bus drivers wait for no one. If you are waiting at a junction in London or Guildford etc, you will see what I mean, they never let you out even if 20yds down the road they have to stop to pick someone up.
EnglishTrucker:
Driveroneuk:
EnglishTrucker:
I would say bus driver. Never mind all this “the trucks swing went into his lane” stuff. If the truck was properly positioned then considering the bus has a better view of his arse end and is also supposed to be a “professional” then the bus driver should have anticipated the rear end swing.As i said: how could he know just when the truck was going to set off?
You can usually tell by looking up the road to see where the gap is. If there was a gap 3 cars up then there would be a good chance he would make a turn, so bus dude could have slowed down and waited for him to turn. In my experience, bus drivers wait for no one. If you are waiting at a junction in London or Guildford etc, you will see what I mean, they never let you out even if 20yds down the road they have to stop to pick someone up.
I know this particular senario is between truck & bus but would your view be the same if it was between truck and a youngster on a bicycle
That wouldn’t be a fair scenario Rog.
The fact is, the bus driver, like us is assumed to be a pro, whereas the kid on a pushbike can safely be assumed to not be.
So in essence, the truck driver should expect said kid to do something like that, but not the fellow pro.
Having said that, as a previous poster stated, it’s called forward planning.
ROG:
EnglishTrucker:
Driveroneuk:
EnglishTrucker:
I would say bus driver. Never mind all this “the trucks swing went into his lane” stuff. If the truck was properly positioned then considering the bus has a better view of his arse end and is also supposed to be a “professional” then the bus driver should have anticipated the rear end swing.As i said: how could he know just when the truck was going to set off?
You can usually tell by looking up the road to see where the gap is. If there was a gap 3 cars up then there would be a good chance he would make a turn, so bus dude could have slowed down and waited for him to turn. In my experience, bus drivers wait for no one. If you are waiting at a junction in London or Guildford etc, you will see what I mean, they never let you out even if 20yds down the road they have to stop to pick someone up.
I know this particular senario is between truck & bus but would your view be the same if it was between truck and a youngster on a bicycle
Rog, you know and I know that a kid on a bike would not be in danger of rear end swing in this particular situation. If the rear end swing in this case would effect a cyclist then the bus would have no chance of getting along side the truck and the road would be a single lane, not dual.
It’s the bus drivers fault as he should have anticipated what could happen, and the vehicle in front “the truck” had the right of way.
However if i was driving the truck i would have staggered both lanes.
ROG:
‘…if I was doing that turn with a big rear swing, I would have straddled BOTH lanes but still checked N/S mirror for bicycles or motorbikes coming up on the nearside…’
Useful banter here & of what you write, Rog: Cheers.
I regularly do a very tight r/h off a 3 lane, one-way street with a 13m trailer.
Lane one is a 24/7 bus lane & the tight side street has those ‘coney’ bollard things to stop pavement mount.
Whilst fully taking up lanes 2 & 3 can just get me in, (sometimes need to reverse when at 90-ish degrees because of overcooking the unit) I’m gonna straddle a metre of the bus lane 1 from now on - with plenty of hazard/disco lighting & lookout action, because that’s surely safer than popping in a half metre shunt …especially since there’s a pub on the corner with punters & pedestrians trolling about in the summer, etc.
I’ll briefly impede nearside busses - though the London jockeys are reliably sharp & understanding …although the shiny Jeep set are frequently less so.
(Comment welcomed)
Happy Keith:
ROG:
‘…if I was doing that turn with a big rear swing, I would have straddled BOTH lanes but still checked N/S mirror for bicycles or motorbikes coming up on the nearside…’Useful banter here & of what you write, Rog: Cheers.
I regularly do a very tight r/h off a 3 lane, one-way street with a 13m trailer.
Lane one is a 24/7 bus lane & the tight side street has those ‘coney’ bollard things to stop pavement mount.
Whilst fully taking up lanes 2 & 3 can just get me in, (sometimes need to reverse when at 90-ish degrees because of overcooking the unit) I’m gonna straddle a metre of the bus lane 1 from now on - with plenty of hazard/disco lighting & lookout action, because that’s surely safer than popping in a half metre shunt …especially since there’s a pub on the corner with punters & pedestrians trolling about in the summer, etc.
I’ll briefly impede nearside busses - though the London jockeys are reliably sharp & understanding …although the shiny Jeep set are frequently less so.
(Comment welcomed)
Agree - take it all - safety over-rides law and as the highway code says - large vehicles may need to take a different course…
As long as everyone is aware of you and you have done your best to inform them of your intentions when ‘setting up’ for the task then there should be no probs
I remember an accident that happened about 5 years ago that one of our drivers had.
He was leaving M&S at Kingston-upon-Thames store. This is an underground store and when you leave you go up a steep ramp, then have to turn 90 deg to the right, just clearing the wall. You then have a 50yd drive through a dead end car park that’s between two buildings to get to the main road. When you exit you have to get the unit and trailer all the way out of the alley before turning to the right (by this time your unit front end is over hanging the pavement).
This procedure was so unbelievably tight that there was no room between the trailer swing and the wall of the building.
Anyway, the driver was turning into the main road on this occasion, when a woman Pedestrian decided to walk past the trailer at the arse end. By this time the corner of the trailer is out of view of the mirrors. This woman walks in between the trailer and the building. As the trailer swing does it’s thing, the woman gets pinned against the wall of the building and the trailer. It squashed her real bad . There were lots of screams and the poor guy gets out to see this woman crushed against the wall. He did the right thing and reversed in the right way so that it created a gap. The woman suffered massive head injuries and was in hospital for months. The driver had to go for counselling. The Police investigation proved the driver was not to blame and the Pedestrian was at fault because she put herself in harms way by walking in between a building and a moving vehicle.
If in doubt, wait it out…
EnglishTrucker:
I remember an accident that happened about 5 years ago that one of our drivers had.He was leaving M&S at Kingston-upon-Thames store. This is an underground store and when you leave you go up a steep ramp, then have to turn 90 deg to the right, just clearing the wall. You then have a 50yd drive through a dead end car park that’s between two buildings to get to the main road. When you exit you have to get the unit and trailer all the way out of the alley before turning to the right (by this time your unit front end is over hanging the pavement).
This procedure was so unbelievably tight that there was no room between the trailer swing and the wall of the building.
Anyway, the driver was turning into the main road on this occasion, when a woman Pedestrian decided to walk past the trailer at the arse end. By this time the corner of the trailer is out of view of the mirrors. This woman walks in between the trailer and the building. As the trailer swing does it’s thing, the woman gets pinned against the wall of the building and the trailer. It squashed her real bad . There were lots of screams and the poor guy gets out to see this woman crushed against the wall. He did the right thing and reversed in the right way so that it created a gap. The woman suffered massive head injuries and was in hospital for months. The driver had to go for counselling. The Police investigation proved the driver was not to blame and the Pedestrian was at fault because she put herself in harms way by walking in between a building and a moving vehicle.
If in doubt, wait it out…
ROG:
The only possible partial ‘get out’ would be if it was an artic (or W&D) which was in such a position that to see an approaching vehicle was impossible due to the combination being angled a certain way.
And, as rightly proven in the case above - the driver was not to blame - unless it could be proven that the driver had x-ray vision or could see around blind spots 
EnglishTrucker:
I would say bus driver. Never mind all this “the trucks swing went into his lane” stuff. If the truck was properly positioned then considering the bus has a better view of his arse end and is also supposed to be a “professional” then the bus driver should have anticipated the rear end swing.
What if the other vehicle wont be a vehicle driven by non-profesional? If it will be, for example camper instead of bus?
Will that change something to your opinion that driver of this vehicle is not profesional and therefore he have right to do not know nothing about the rear end swing?
joemaxi:
Having driven both types of vehicle-I would have to say both!Truck driver should have looked in his mirror,seen the [zb] of a bus driver coming up the inside and waited until he got past,hurled abuse at him and then turned!
The bus driver,who should know about tail swings(as buses have them too) should have waited until the truck completed its manoevre before passing.
I`d say it would be hard to call-probably 50-50 in my opinion!
But I have been known to be wrong,occasionally…
I’m astounded by your intelligence, I agree with you. 