ROG:
If there had been only one lane and the swing would go over the pavement with a pedestrian running along it - would the truck driver be at fault if the swing hit the pedestrian - YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
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I’m sick of having dirty looks for driving down a bus lane outwith it’s operating hours when there is a long queue in the outside lane.
Ive had that many a time - well said that man.
Those sat in the queue either
A} cant tell the time
B} cant read
IIRC someone on here failed their class 2 last year for failing to use a bus lane outside its hours.
ROG:
If there had been only one lane and the swing would go over the pavement with a pedestrian running along it - would the truck driver be at fault if the swing hit the pedestrian - YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
.
I’m sick of having dirty looks for driving down a bus lane outwith it’s operating hours when there is a long queue in the outside lane.
Ive had that many a time - well said that man.
Those sat in the queue either
A} cant tell the time
B} cant read
ROG:
If there had been only one lane and the swing would go over the pavement with a pedestrian running along it - would the truck driver be at fault if the swing hit the pedestrian - YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
.
I’m sick of having dirty looks for driving down a bus lane outwith it’s operating hours when there is a long queue in the outside lane.
Ive had that many a time - well said that man.
Those sat in the queue either
A} cant tell the time
B} cant read
Or C} both of the above
Just to expand this a bit -
If the inside bus lane is now a normal lane and everyone else is driving (not queueing) in the outer lane at say 30 in a 40 limit - is it legal to do 40 on the now ‘open’ bus lane
Would this be considered as undertaking or passing
He should be aware about his vehicle dimensions and overnang. Bus driver approaching from the back can’t see if the wheels are risen or not. And that’s not his responsiblility, as it’s he, who is driving on his own lane. Truck driver entered the other lane, so he should give priority to the other vehicle, who is already on that lane. Or, if possible, he should turn somehow to do not enter the left lane with his back.
I was driving in London and other towns plenty of times and I ALWAYS checking my mirrors when turning sharp.
ROG:
If there had been only one lane and the swing would go over the pavement with a pedestrian running along it - would the truck driver be at fault if the swing hit the pedestrian - YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
Yes. I once hit the wall with my overhang. And I don’t trying to blame the wall for being there
Going off on a tangent time , sorry
When you do a tight turn, screw it round(whatever) in an artic, does the trailer not go backwards briefly ?
Probably irrevelant i know but ime sure it happens
Suedehead:
Going off on a tangent time , sorry
When you do a tight turn, screw it round(whatever) in an artic, does the trailer not go backwards briefly ?
Probably irrevelant i know but ime sure it happens
ROG:
If there had been only one lane and the swing would go over the pavement with a pedestrian running along it - would the truck driver be at fault if the swing hit the pedestrian - YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
.
I’m sick of having dirty looks for driving down a bus lane outwith it’s operating hours when there is a long queue in the outside lane.
Ive had that many a time - well said that man.
Those sat in the queue either
A} cant tell the time
B} cant read
Or C} both of the above
Just to expand this a bit -
If the inside bus lane is now a normal lane and everyone else is driving (not queueing) in the outer lane at say 30 in a 40 limit - is it legal to do 40 on the now ‘open’ bus lane
Would this be considered as undertaking or passing
If you havent made a deliberatate manouvre to do so ie - change lanes, surely its passing
delboytwo:
I would say both cos there should have known better the the driver in the truck cos of swing and the bus driver for knowing not to under take.
Del
Bus kept within own lane and was ‘passing’ on the nearside not ‘undertaking’ which it is entitled to do IF the vehicle in the outer lane is indicating right.
to be honest - if I was doing that turn with a big rear swing, I would have straddled BOTH lanes but still checked N/S mirror for bicycles or motorbikes coming up on the nearside.
delboytwo:
I would say both cos there should have known better the the driver in the truck cos of swing and the bus driver for knowing not to under take.
Del
Suppose the oncoming traffic was very busy and free-flowing - so the truck could be waiting quite a while for a gap to turn. Should the bus driver really wait in a completely empty lane just in case the truck decides to turn?
If I were the bus driver, I’d be cautious approaching the truck, and stop if it looked like there was a gap about to appear - but as the truck driver, I certainly wouldn’t expect anyone else to.
Anybody who drives around the UK in a HGV comes across this problem,badly designed roads or roadways not actually wide enough for trucks and buses to pass without hitting each other.The best way to overcome this problem(especially if your not familiar with the town or city)is to as stated earlier and straddle the lane but also make sure you indicate the direction you want to travel,if you have to block other drivers then do so, its alot easier/safer ,leaving a gap is an open invitation for an accident.
delboytwo:
I would say both cos there should have known better the the driver in the truck cos of swing and the bus driver for knowing not to under take.
Del
Suppose the oncoming traffic was very busy and free-flowing - so the truck could be waiting quite a while for a gap to turn. Should the bus driver really wait in a completely empty lane just in case the truck decides to turn?
If I were the bus driver, I’d be cautious approaching the truck, and stop if it looked like there was a gap about to appear - but as the truck driver, I certainly wouldn’t expect anyone else to.
I am basing my post on the original post question
If you turn right at a junction then it the truck drivers responsibility to check in his mirror and the bus drivers responsibility to plan for what mite happen to the truck.
I drive a 26 tonner most days and I am always concerned with the overhang when turning. I only raise the rear axle if I have a tight reverse, never during normal driving. If I had hit the bus it I could blame no one but myself.
Having spent the last two years with a rear lift 6 wheeler it’s an everyday factor in my driving. There are numerous junctions where I know it’ll swing out and whilst perhaps the bus driver should know better he may have not realised the extent of the overswing.
The chances are it was a wagon driver who was unfamiliar with the vehicle as an experienced “■■■■■■■” would have stopped and waited until it was clear. If there’s oncoming traffic you can’t turn right because your route is not clear, if the tail is going to use part of the left lane then you cannot turn until it’s safe to do so.
Tight left’s also mean taking some of lane 2 whilst indictaing left, just try and stop people getting there in the first place. This however is not always possible, I’m no stranger to central London and 2’ away from the kerb will see cyclists, pedestrians, motorbikes, Scarab sweepers and all sorts trying to get through.
It’s what makes the job interesting, I love driving double drive full length 8 wheelers, they don’t swing so much but need all of the other lane to make a tight turn. It really makes you keep your eyes open.
if the bus was going slower (come on a bus going slow or the limit is rare) he would have been able to slow down before the lorryt urned, and if he was reading the road he would know the truxcks going to do a right turn and probably has an overhang just like his bus…
and the truck driver should have waited till the bus passed him before he turned but as we know when trying to cross a road to the right we usually just go for the first gap.
Okey-Didley-Dokely i know what you meana bout edinburgh bus drivers, flipping crazy but if you think they are bad trying meeting a bus on a red route in central london when you have your hazards on and reverse lights trying to reverse into an alley way while also having a banksman guiding you in.
i had to stop the manouvere drive away from the drop go into the local housing scheme and come back again and try it just because the bus driver came straight up to the rear end of me without paying attention and expected me to move, took me ten mins to get back to the drop at which point i decided to just 45 degree myself on the road and to hell with everyone else.
- YES - same reasoning - the driver should be aware of where bits of the vehicle go.
