He should know the dimensions of his vehicle and know that the rear swing will impede lane when he turns. I know I know the deimensions of my truck and how much it swings out,
The bus driver is not to blame surely he has a clear path past the truck, so how is he wrong?
When doing my HGV training, my instructor told me never “expect” ANY other driver to know what you are doing. SHOW them exactly what you are doing by putting the vehicle in the way.
I do a bit of work in London and frequently have to do some unbelievable manouvres to get into delivery and collection addresses, Plenty of balls and forward planning is the only way too do it, dont worry bout the horns and finger signals.
joemaxi wrote:
Having driven both types of vehicle-I would have to say both!
Truck driver should have looked in his mirror,seen the [zb] of a bus driver coming up the inside and waited until he got past,hurled abuse at him and then turned!
The bus driver,who should know about tail swings(as buses have them too) should have waited until the truck completed its manoevre before passing.
I`d say it would be hard to call-probably 50-50 in my opinion!
But I have been known to be wrong,occasionally…
I’m astounded by your intelligence, I agree with you.
Regarding the M&S Kingston-upon-Thames incident, i’d say the company responsible for sending the driver into there with such a large vehicle, knowing how tight it was, have some joint liability.
Had it not been risk assessed?
If tight, why not send an urban artic trailer, as other companies do?
Driveroneuk:
Regarding the M&S Kingston-upon-Thames incident, i’d say the company responsible for sending the driver into there with such a large vehicle, knowing how tight it was, have some joint liability.
Had it not been risk assessed?
If tight, why not send an urban artic trailer, as other companies do?
Come on. I think that’s reason for many problems in this country: spreading responsibility.
I am a driver and I am responsible for what I am doing. Company sent me to some place, I can’t go there, so I don’t go.
Only thing is that company cannot blame me for that: they employed me to be a lorry driver and therefore they should trust in my judgement skills. I told that I can’t, they should believe me.
I agree with you Orys, but the problem is that a lot of drivers are scared to say “no” to the company & just struggle… and so they keep sending the large vehicle.
Driveroneuk:
I agree with you Orys, but the problem is that a lot of drivers are scared to say “no” to the company
Many of Polish drivers do the same. And since you have all this morons who are breaking tacho rules or overloading their vehicle, or driving road unworthy ones…
I noticed that Rog. A lot of comments in this thread show the attitude some drivers have. Its no wonder that bumps do happen out there.
I dont think that the comments paint a fair picture on the quality of the members driving.I think its just how the individual interprets the scenario. Although I do think the blame should be shared,in real life should I find myself in that situation,I would have waited until the bus had passed.
There`s an old saying that"hind sight has 20 20 vision".
I must admit though,it has been very interesting reading all the different opinions though!
del949:
saw an interesting bump today and wondered…
a road with two lanes going north and one going south.
the nearside lane of the northbound is a bus lane at set hours.
6 wheel truck with second axle raised is on northbound outer lane waiting to turn right.
Bus comes up bus lane on inside of truck (outside bus lane hours)
truck sets off to turn right and rear end swings out, taking out several feet of bus side.
So who is to blame? bus driver for going up inside in bus lane or trucker for failing to see bus coming up nearside and not waiting before turning?
or both?
joemaxi:
.I think it`s just how the individual interprets the scenario.
Fair point and may be easily resolved by asking the original poster, del949, one question -
Was the truck starting to turn before the bus was committed
OK, hopefully this will work., maybe have to select birds eye view.
Thornton Rd Bradford, junction with Hockney rd.
Both vehicles travelling from RIGHT to LEFT.
Truck turning from Thornton Rd into Hockney Rd.
looking at the map i stand by what i said both at fault it is the drivers to check is mirror and the bus driver to anticipate what the truck is doing or going to do forward planing just as i was told when i took my training you must not presume that the driver in front of you know your there.
Rog, as for bus coming up inside after truck started turning, not sure. Only saw the immediate aftermath.
damage to bus was about two thirds of way down the side, so i guess if the bus was travelling at about 20-25 MPH he was more than likely right behind the truck when truck started to move and braked as much as possible.
To be fair to bus drivers in bradford they are fairly reasonable most of the time and I doubt that he was going like a “bat out of Hell”
I stand by my original post, Truck driver at fault, straight road, he knows or at least he should do the dimensions and the direction of his rear swing?
Also HE is responsible for checking that HIS manouvre is safe too carry out SAFELY!
OK OK the bus driver is responsible for watching too BUT the trucks rear would have ended up in the bus lane so he should have ANTICIPATED this and taken APPROPIATE steps to ensure a safe manouvre?
Clarky:
I stand by my original post, Truck driver at fault, straight road, he knows or at least he should do the dimensions and the direction of his rear swing?
Also HE is responsible for checking that HIS manouvre is safe too carry out SAFELY!
OK OK the bus driver is responsible for watching too BUT the trucks rear would have ended up in the bus lane so he should have ANTICIPATED this and taken APPROPIATE steps to ensure a safe manouvre?
Clarky:
I stand by my original post, Truck driver at fault, straight road, he knows or at least he should do the dimensions and the direction of his rear swing?
Also HE is responsible for checking that HIS manouvre is safe too carry out SAFELY!
OK OK the bus driver is responsible for watching too BUT the trucks rear would have ended up in the bus lane so he should have ANTICIPATED this and taken APPROPIATE steps to ensure a safe manouvre?
Over to you ROG…
Cannot improve on what you said.
Got to agree with this guys- the truck driver has a responsibility to ensure it is safe before he carrys out any manouvre
mind you gross stupidty on the part of the bus driver
Clarky:
I stand by my original post, Truck driver at fault, straight road, he knows or at least he should do the dimensions and the direction of his rear swing?
Also HE is responsible for checking that HIS manouvre is safe too carry out SAFELY!
OK OK the bus driver is responsible for watching too BUT the trucks rear would have ended up in the bus lane so he should have ANTICIPATED this and taken APPROPIATE steps to ensure a safe manouvre?
Over to you ROG…
I have to agree as well. The truck driver had to deal with a facts, with a thing what he was doing, while the only blame for bus driver is that he didn’t anticipated that the truck driver will do something wrong.
In my opinion, altough I always have limited trust to other road users, the Bus driver has full right to expect that no-one will enter his lane.
ok, your driving along a sigle carrageway, on the otherside of the road there’s a parked car with a bus approaching from behind it, you and the bus are going to pass the parked car at roughly the same time, it looks like the bus isn’t slowing enough, you cover the brakes incase, the bus crosses the the center line whilst trying too squeeze through, there’s contact between you an the bus. anyone think thats a 50 / 50■■ but the bus crossed the center line and then contact was made? it doesn’t matter if its the front or back that made the contact, or if traveling in the same direction or the opposite, if you cross the center line and contact is made because of that, then its your fault.
of course a switched on experienced driver, may take action to avoid a collision that would of been caused by someone else’s mistake. however if they fail to make avoiding action it doesn’t make it half there fault.
