madmossy:
Short of getting out the drivers seat and looking out the window, how would you suggest they do that exactly when someone is driving in the blind spot?
Should you have passed your theory test also you’d know that if a slow vehicle is over taking you, you are meant to slow down so that they may clear you as quickly as possible to avoid causing tailbacks (a speed limited HGV is essentially a rolling roadblock). This is something I very rarely see people doing despite it being one of the first things you learn.
I think the below video gives a good idea on just how bad a blind spot can be (worst case scenario)
Sorry cannot agree with you there.Yes the car was probably in his blind spot but the driver should have seen the car before it went into that area.
Poor observation from the truck driver and a brainless moron driving the car.
Both drivers were at fault, the car driver even more so for multiple things.
The LGV driver for not knowing the vehicle was there.
The car driver for remaining in the blind spot of an LGV, and not slowing down to allow the LGV to over take. Which it clearly was doing because his buddy shot past already.
Which begs another question, why buy a Porsche if your going to potter along a motorway at below 56mph!
madmossy:
Short of getting out the drivers seat and looking out the window, how would you suggest they do that exactly when someone is driving in the blind spot?
Should you have passed your theory test also you’d know that if a slow vehicle is over taking you, you are meant to slow down so that they may clear you as quickly as possible to avoid causing tailbacks (a speed limited HGV is essentially a rolling roadblock). This is something I very rarely see people doing despite it being one of the first things you learn.
I think the below video gives a good idea on just how bad a blind spot can be (worst case scenario)
Sorry cannot agree with you there.Yes the car was probably in his blind spot but the driver should have seen the car before it went into that area.
Poor observation from the truck driver and a brainless moron driving the car.
grumpybum:
Of course I have an opinion, and if I had ever seen you post in a topic where you didn’t blame the lorry driver for all the accidents on our roads, then I would happily engage in a discussion about it. As it is, you have already decided that the lorry driver is to blame, so why bother with any further discussion? Whether I agree with you or not is immaterial.
Point proven, grumpy. As predictable as night and day.
madmossy:
Both drivers were at fault, the car driver even more so for multiple things.
The LGV driver for not knowing the vehicle was there.
The car driver for remaining in the blind spot of an LGV, and not slowing down to allow the LGV to over take. Which it clearly was doing because his buddy shot past already.
Which begs another question, why buy a Porsche if your going to potter along a motorway at below 56mph!
How can the car driver be more to blame?
Who hit who?
Who is meant to be the professional?
madmossy:
Short of getting out the drivers seat and looking out the window, how would you suggest they do that exactly when someone is driving in the blind spot?
Should you have passed your theory test also you’d know that if a slow vehicle is over taking you, you are meant to slow down so that they may clear you as quickly as possible to avoid causing tailbacks (a speed limited HGV is essentially a rolling roadblock). This is something I very rarely see people doing despite it being one of the first things you learn.
I think the below video gives a good idea on just how bad a blind spot can be (worst case scenario)
In this vid, the wide angle mirror is seeing FAR too much cab,and not enough of anything else.
Guys, your wide angle mirror should only see a ‘sliver’ of your truck. In this case, the cyclists would have been visible if the mirror was adjusted correctly.
madmossy:
Both drivers were at fault, the car driver even more so for multiple things.
The LGV driver for not knowing the vehicle was there.
The car driver for remaining in the blind spot of an LGV, and not slowing down to allow the LGV to over take. Which it clearly was doing because his buddy shot past already.
Which begs another question, why buy a Porsche if your going to potter along a motorway at below 56mph!
How can the car driver be more to blame?
Who hit who?
Who is meant to be the professional?
Who hit who is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is both parties were at fault, some more than others. Had the Porsche hit the Lorry I’m sure you’d still blame the truck driver. a 44 tonne artic is not on the motorway to bully car drivers, they should not be ignored. For a car driver to not notice a 44 tonne articulated lorry that’s 40+ feet long approaching his off side, they’d have to be pretty lucky for anything bad to not happen. Specially after one has already shot past them for driving like a granny on a MOTORWAY!
madmossy:
Short of getting out the drivers seat and looking out the window, how would you suggest they do that exactly when someone is driving in the blind spot?
Should you have passed your theory test also you’d know that if a slow vehicle is over taking you, you are meant to slow down so that they may clear you as quickly as possible to avoid causing tailbacks (a speed limited HGV is essentially a rolling roadblock). This is something I very rarely see people doing despite it being one of the first things you learn.
I think the below video gives a good idea on just how bad a blind spot can be (worst case scenario)
In this vid, the wide angle mirror is seeing FAR too much cab,and not enough of anything else.
Guys, your wide angle mirror should only see a ‘sliver’ of your truck. In this case, the cyclists would have been visible if the mirror was adjusted correctly.
If you see the end of the video, the lorry is positioned as if it were turning into a junction. Like I said worst case scenario
madmossy:
Both drivers were at fault, the car driver even more so for multiple things.
The LGV driver for not knowing the vehicle was there.
The car driver for remaining in the blind spot of an LGV, and not slowing down to allow the LGV to over take. Which it clearly was doing because his buddy shot past already.
Which begs another question, why buy a Porsche if your going to potter along a motorway at below 56mph!
How can the car driver be more to blame?
Who hit who?
Who is meant to be the professional?
Who hit who is irrelevant, the fact of the matter is both parties were at fault, some more than others. Had the Porsche hit the Lorry I’m sure you’d still blame the truck driver. a 44 tonne artic is not on the motorway to bully car drivers, they should not be ignored. For a car driver to not notice a 44 tonne articulated lorry that’s 40+ feet long approaching his off side, they’d have to be pretty lucky for anything bad to not happen. Specially after one has already shot past them for driving like a granny on a MOTORWAY!
Of course who hit who is relevant.Legally the car actually did nothing wrong.
legally i would say truck driver but the law isnt always right and situations throw up all sorts of variables
IF the truck driver did allow the porsche to join the motorway 1/4 of a mile before the camera and the porsche was still sat in that position then i would be asking why that is the case. he (or she ) had plenty of time to either boot it out of there or pull back (the correct course of action) and let the considerate truck driver back in.
its easy to blame the truck driver but look at the scene. traffic, bends, flyover, the truck driver probably did check his mirror and assumed the porsche was gone but he had other things to keep an eye on so he couldnt have given the mirror too much time or he would have lost touch with what was going on in front
personally i would blame the car driver but im not sure the law would agree. politians make laws and we all know how much they know about driving
On this section of the M621 trucks are restricted to lane 1 only…
as far as i’m aware,the only section of the M621 to have weight limits is the section just after the junction for the A61/Cross Green and it only goes upto the junction for Elland Road and City Centre. This section is where it joins up with the M62 at Chain Bar.
On this section of the M621 trucks are restricted to lane 1 only…
as far as i’m aware,the only section of the M621 to have weight limits is the section just after the junction for the A61/Cross Green and it only goes upto the junction for Elland Road and City Centre. This section is where it joins up with the M62 at Chain Bar.
■■? What the heck are you on about? There are no LGV or weight restrictions on the M621 and the M621 doesn’t go anywhere near Chain Bar either, it ends at Gildersome.
On this section of the M621 trucks are restricted to lane 1 only…
as far as i’m aware,the only section of the M621 to have weight limits is the section just after the junction for the A61/Cross Green and it only goes upto the junction for Elland Road and City Centre. This section is where it joins up with the M62 at Chain Bar.
■■? What the heck are you on about? There are no LGV or weight restrictions on the M621 and the M621 doesn’t go anywhere near Chain Bar either, it ends at Gildersome.
yes there is! coming from the M1 where it goes from 3 to 2 lanes it then filters into 1 lane,where it is 2 lanes the 2nd lane is for anything under 7 and half tonne only. now im not sure how far it goes,it may only be until it merges before the junction for Elland Road.
On this section of the M621 trucks are restricted to lane 1 only…
as far as i’m aware,the only section of the M621 to have weight limits is the section just after the junction for the A61/Cross Green and it only goes upto the junction for Elland Road and City Centre. This section is where it joins up with the M62 at Chain Bar.
■■? What the heck are you on about? There are no LGV or weight restrictions on the M621 and the M621 doesn’t go anywhere near Chain Bar either, it ends at Gildersome.
sorry just had a look on Google maps and it’s not a weight limit,it’s just that HGV use any lane ends to go through the 1 lane section accept my appologies
I can’t believe that anyone in their right mind can blame the car driver for that accident.
If that is the standard of truck driving that you feel is acceptable and if you really hand on heart think it is ok to say that it was the car drivers fault because of where he was then I can understand why the haulage industry is where it is.
If you look at the video the truck was going faster than the car. He was therefore visible to the truck before he entered his blind spot. The truck was in the outside lane because there was traffic in the inside lane.
The truck driver for whatever reason just followed his mate into L1 and quite obviously wasn’t paying full attention.
I hope he was charged with at the least careless driving and if I had been his employer he would have been sacked unless he had an exemplary record before hand
And if it had been the car driver who had driven into the truck I would have wanted him charged accordingly.
If there were less drivers on here being honest rather than making excuses for others just because they are also truck drivers I could see some sense in it.
And I know there are some truly abysmal car drivers out there. And I don’t feel any need to make excuses for them.
Man up the lot of you. There are some excellent truck drivers out on the roads, but this guy isn’t one of them
Jamieg:
I can’t believe that anyone in their right mind can blame the car driver for that accident.
If that is the standard of truck driving that you feel is acceptable and if you really hand on heart think it is ok to say that it was the car drivers fault because of where he was then I can understand why the haulage industry is where it is.
If you look at the video the truck was going faster than the car. He was therefore visible to the truck before he entered his blind spot. The truck was in the outside lane because there was traffic in the inside lane.
The truck driver for whatever reason just followed his mate into L1 and quite obviously wasn’t paying full attention.
I hope he was charged with at the least careless driving and if I had been his employer he would have been sacked unless he had an exemplary record before hand
And if it had been the car driver who had driven into the truck I would have wanted him charged accordingly.
If there were less drivers on here being honest rather than making excuses for others just because they are also truck drivers I could see some sense in it.
And I know there are some truly abysmal car drivers out there. And I don’t feel any need to make excuses for them.
Man up the lot of you. There are some excellent truck drivers out on the roads, but this guy isn’t one of them
Jamieg:
I can’t believe that anyone in their right mind can blame the car driver for that accident.
If that is the standard of truck driving that you feel is acceptable and if you really hand on heart think it is ok to say that it was the car drivers fault because of where he was then I can understand why the haulage industry is where it is.
If you look at the video the truck was going faster than the car. He was therefore visible to the truck before he entered his blind spot. The truck was in the outside lane because there was traffic in the inside lane.
The truck driver for whatever reason just followed his mate into L1 and quite obviously wasn’t paying full attention.
I hope he was charged with at the least careless driving and if I had been his employer he would have been sacked unless he had an exemplary record before hand
And if it had been the car driver who had driven into the truck I would have wanted him charged accordingly.
If there were less drivers on here being honest rather than making excuses for others just because they are also truck drivers I could see some sense in it.
And I know there are some truly abysmal car drivers out there. And I don’t feel any need to make excuses for them.
Man up the lot of you. There are some excellent truck drivers out on the roads, but this guy isn’t one of them
+1
Nice to see an unbiased opinion.
Both truck drivers were actually as bad as each other not just one of them considering the seperation distance left by the driver of the first truck and the van ahead of it.
As predictable as night and day.
) had plenty of time to either boot it out of there or pull back (the correct course of action) and let the considerate truck driver back in.