OK folks long post so sorry in advance.
Went into work today banged digicard in at 07:30. Loaded the van and out on the road for approx 1 hr but then stopped at the dentist at 10:00 for an appointment. Now I set it to rest seeing as I’m not working just lying down for what turned out to be an hour.
WTD kicks in for me at 13:30 so at 13:00 I took half an hour believing that the near 1 hr I had on at the dentist would be enough to count the split break of 15m/30m which I would inmagine was way exceeded when I was laying down for an hour getting my teeth made all shiny.
At approximately 16:45 tacho light kicks in saying 30 min break due. I had only done 4hrs15mins driving throughout the day. What is the reason it started going mental at me I’m sure there is a valid point but I can’t for the life of figure it out, never happened before.
Most Digi Tachos flash at 4h15 to remind you that a break is due within the next 15 minutes drive time.
Hope this helps.
think it is because you had over a 45 min break at the dentist so it reset to 4.5 from there not from when you had taken your next 30 min break.
the flying foden:
think it is because you had over a 45 min break at the dentist so it reset to 4.5 from there not from when you had taken your next 30 min break.
What he said. If you take a 45 min break before your 4.5 hour driving is up. Iam sure it starts from the 2nd 4.5 driving time
Thanks folks for the replies.
I did stop just to make sure you never know when your turn is next to get pulled and our depot is coming up to 1 year on our O licence so wouldn’t be suprised if we get a visit soon
cheers 
No probs, also I remember when I used to use post for over 15 mind it used to revert to break mode.so just watch for that to
Hi. The one thing I have notice with digi tachs is that if you show 45 mins or more POA then it wipes all your driving and lets you drive a further 4.5 hours. The reason for this I have been informed is that apart from Britain the rest of europe accepts POA as a break. Also when you have reached 6 hours on duty you are only required to show a 15 min break but must show a further 30min break before 9 hours. As daft as it sounds if you are nowhere near your 4.5 hours driving then taking a full 45 min break is actually not in your best interest as you are then restricted to a further 4.5 hours driving or 6hours on duty after your break. I hope this helps
twinstacks:
The one thing I have notice with digi tachs is that if you show 45 mins or more POA then it wipes all your driving and lets you drive a further 4.5 hours.
And that’s why i never use POA.
Bliksem:
OK folks long post so sorry in advance.
WTD kicks in for me at 13:30 so at 13:00 I took half an hour
Not on this occasion. You took a break from 10 until 11 so purely from a WTD standpoint, you were OK to work until 7pm without taking another break.
twinstacks:
Also when you have reached 6 hours on duty you are only required to show a 15 min break but must show a further 30min break before 9 hours.
Where does that come from? There is nothing in the WTD that stipulates a break of 30 minutes before (or even after) 9 hours work. Also note that the WTD requirements are all about working time, not time “on duty” (duty time may include POA and breaks).
The WTD requirements are that you must not work more than 6 hours without taking a break of at least 15 minutes, and that the total of all breaks taken must be at least 30 minutes if you work 6-9 hours, or 45 minutes if you work more than 9 hours.
Bliksem:
At approximately 16:45 tacho light kicks in saying 30 min break due. I had only done 4hrs15mins driving throughout the day. What is the reason it started going mental at me I’m sure there is a valid point but I can’t for the life of figure it out, never happened before.
Are you 100% certain you set the mode switch to break for an hour at 10am? Doing so should have reset your driving time, allowing you to drive for 4.5 hours after 11am without a break. A printout will reveal all…
all digi tachos give flash up to pre warn of a break being due. they all do this at 4hrs 15.
and as for the WTD bit.
stay off the weed. 
Roymondo:
twinstacks:
Also when you have reached 6 hours on duty you are only required to show a 15 min break but must show a further 30min break before 9 hours.
Where does that come from? There is nothing in the WTD that stipulates a break of 30 minutes before (or even after) 9 hours work. Also note that the WTD requirements are all about working time, not time “on duty” (duty time may include POA and breaks).
The WTD requirements are that you must not work more than 6 hours without taking a break of at least 15 minutes, and that the total of all breaks taken must be at least 30 minutes if you work 6-9 hours, or 45 minutes if you work more than 9 hours.
Actually it states that if you work between 6-9 hours you must have a 30 min break this can be taken in a min of 15 min segments. If you work over 9 hours you must have a total of 45 mins break.It also states that you can’t work over 6 hours without a break so if at 6 hours you take a 15 min break you then must have had a further 15 min break before 9 hours or this is indeed an infringement as you have only had 15min break in 9 hours. This is for the WTD and not drivers hours. If you only took the 15 min break at 9 hours then this would not count towards the driving hours break and a further 30 min break would be required when the 4.5 hour driving limit kicks in.
twinstacks:
Roymondo:
twinstacks:
Also when you have reached 6 hours on duty you are only required to show a 15 min break but must show a further 30min break before 9 hours.
Where does that come from? There is nothing in the WTD that stipulates a break of 30 minutes before (or even after) 9 hours work. Also note that the WTD requirements are all about working time, not time “on duty” (duty time may include POA and breaks).
The WTD requirements are that you must not work more than 6 hours without taking a break of at least 15 minutes, and that the total of all breaks taken must be at least 30 minutes if you work 6-9 hours, or 45 minutes if you work more than 9 hours.
Actually it states that if you work between 6-9 hours you must have a 30 min break this can be taken in a min of 15 min segments. If you work over 9 hours you must have a total of 45 mins break.It also states that you can’t work over 6 hours without a break so if at 6 hours you take a 15 min break you then must have had a further 15 min break before 9 hours or this is indeed an infringement as you have only had 15min break in 9 hours. This is for the WTD and not drivers hours. If you only took the 15 min break at 9 hours then this would not count towards the driving hours break and a further 30 min break would be required when the 4.5 hour driving limit kicks in.
So why the assertion that after taking a 15 minute break at six hours you have to take “a further 30 minute break” at 9 hours (which is the point with which I took issue)?
The reason I said this was because if you had reached the point that you needed to take a 15min break at 9 hours then you would still need to take a further 15 break after you had worked 9 hours so that you would comply with the working over 9 hour 45 min break and also clearing the 4.5 hour driving limit. I personally would think that is better than taking a 15 min break at 9 hours and then having to take a further 15 mins before you can finish your shift or a further 30 min on top of the 15min to clear the 4.5 hour driving rule.
So when you say “you must show a further 30 minutes break before 9 hours” you really mean “you must show a further 15 minutes break before 9 hours but I find it more convenient to take a 30 at that stage”? For the avoidance of doubt, that’s what I usually do too - but sometimes (and especially if, like mine, the nature of the job is sometimes more work than driving) I prefer to take three or more shorter breaks spread over the whole working day.
None of which detracts from my point though - there is no requirement to take a 30 minute break before, at or soon after 9 hours working.
Roymondo:
So when you say “you must show a further 30 minutes break before 9 hours” you really mean “you must show a further 15 minutes break before 9 hours but I find it more convenient to take a 30 at that stage”? For the avoidance of doubt, that’s what I usually do too - but sometimes (and especially if, like mine, the nature of the job is sometimes more work than driving) I prefer to take three or more shorter breaks spread over the whole working day.
None of which detracts from my point though - there is no requirement to take a 30 minute break before, at or soon after 9 hours working.
Its states that if you work between 6-9 hours you must have a 30 min break. The first break must be taken before you work over 6 hours. If you work over 9 hours then you must have a min break of 45 mins. If you were to work 9hours and 1 min with less than 30 min break then you have not taken the legal amount of WTD breaks.I never said it had to be taken as a whole. You are allowed to break it into 2 15 min segments but still 30 min break must have been taken before you work over 9 hours.
Its states that if you work between 6-9 hours you must have a 30 min break. The first break must be taken before you work over 6 hours. If you work over 9 hours then you must have a min break of 45 mins. If you were to work 9hours and 1 min with less than 30 min break then you have not taken the legal amount of WTD breaks.I never said it had to be taken as a whole. You are allowed to break it into 2 15 min segments but still 30 min break must have been taken before you work over 9 hours.
That’s not what you said originally (and is still incorrect anyway).
You said “Also when you have reached 6 hours on duty you are only required to show a 15 min break but must show a further 30min break before 9 hours.” And that simply is incorrect. Misguided. Misinformed. Or even plain Wrong. Change that “further” to “total” (which is what you are now saying in your most recent post) and you are getting a bit nearer. But you are still saying these breaks have to be taken before you work past 9 hours, and that is simply not the case.
Take a simple example:
I start work at 5.30am, do my checks, load the stuff the nightshift loaders couldn’t fit on the truck and set off about my deliveries. The nature of my work (local deliveries, handballing big quantities of heavyish stuff upstairs into private houses) means that each drop may take 45 mins or more, and my total drive time in a full day on occasions might not even reach 4.5 hours (much like the OP in this thread, it seems…), so on such a day there would be no break required under Drivers Hours regulations.
At 11am, I take a 15 minute break. 3pm rolls around (9.25 hours worked so far), but I’m still good to go, so I carry on. Under the WTD I could continue without another break until no later than 5.15pm, and even then I would only be required to take 15 minutes at that point. So at 5pm I take another 15 minutes.
At 5.30pm, having been on duty for 12 hours (and actually working for 11.5 hours). I still have only taken 30 minutes of break (in two 15 minute segments). Provided I take another 15 minutes break before the end of my shift, I am OK under the WTD. I take my last break on the way back to base, at 6.45pm.
My shift ends at 7.30pm. At no point did I work longer than 6 hours without a break, and I took a total of 45 minutes of breaks during my 14 hours duty (13.25 hours working time).
Roymondo:
Its states that if you work between 6-9 hours you must have a 30 min break. The first break must be taken before you work over 6 hours. If you work over 9 hours then you must have a min break of 45 mins. If you were to work 9hours and 1 min with less than 30 min break then you have not taken the legal amount of WTD breaks.I never said it had to be taken as a whole. You are allowed to break it into 2 15 min segments but still 30 min break must have been taken before you work over 9 hours.
That’s not what you said originally (and is still incorrect anyway).
You said “Also when you have reached 6 hours on duty you are only required to show a 15 min break but must show a further 30min break before 9 hours.” And that simply is incorrect. Misguided. Misinformed. Or even plain Wrong. Change that “further” to “total” (which is what you are now saying in your most recent post) and you are getting a bit nearer. But you are still saying these breaks have to be taken before you work past 9 hours, and that is simply not the case.
Take a simple example:
I start work at 5.30am, do my checks, load the stuff the nightshift loaders couldn’t fit on the truck and set off about my deliveries. The nature of my work (local deliveries, handballing big quantities of heavyish stuff upstairs into private houses) means that each drop may take 45 mins or more, and my total drive time in a full day on occasions might not even reach 4.5 hours (much like the OP in this thread, it seems…), so on such a day there would be no break required under Drivers Hours regulations.
At 11am, I take a 15 minute break. 3pm rolls around (9.25 hours worked so far), but I’m still good to go, so I carry on. Under the WTD I could continue without another break until no later than 5.15pm, and even then I would only be required to take 15 minutes at that point. So at 5pm I take another 15 minutes.
At 5.30pm, having been on duty for 12 hours (and actually working for 11.5 hours). I still have only taken 30 minutes of break (in two 15 minute segments). Provided I take another 15 minutes break before the end of my shift, I am OK under the WTD. I take my last break on the way back to base, at 6.45pm.
My shift ends at 7.30pm. At no point did I work longer than 6 hours without a break, and I took a total of 45 minutes of breaks during my 14 hours duty (13.25 hours working time).
This would be an infringement. You start at 5.30am and work until you have a break at 11am, fine you have had a 15 min break before the 6 hour total.If you then work until 5pm you have indeed worked 11.15 with only a 15 min break but, as stated, if you work between 6-9 hours you must have a 30 min break which can be taken in 15 min segments. Therefor you have had only 15 min break in the 6-9 hour bracket which is an infringement I believe.