froggy:
You should laugh
Well tell us what it means and I probably wil!! 
thats what it means “you should laugh”
neil46:
thats what it means “you should laugh”
Laugh,I could ■■■■ mi pants.
i am not trying to be racist.
i am now living in nw uk.
i tried to get a job from an irish company in jan,my own job was on its knees.
being irish myself anf knowing plenty of local hauliers,i couldnt get a job.
the reason,ireland like england is full of polish/latvian etc.
i have nothing personally against these guys,met some great ones over the yrs on my travels.
it is a bit frustrating though.
having said all that.
i think that when the rest of europe opens its doors,less and less eastern europeans will come this far and the market will even out,plus things will improve like wages for the easterners,just look at the trucks they have now,and go back 10/15 yrs.
remember them driving the roman diesels.
its a short trm inconvenience.
i know a polish guy drives for an irish company.
he gets 7/800 euro per week.
his wife is a head teacher in a school in poland. she earns approx 400 euro per month…
i would love to know what a driver can earn over there.
this guy wont tell me.
obviouly it would be a lot less than ireland.
Blimey I wonder what Froggy is gonna think of me then 
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i would love to know what a driver can earn over there.
between 800-1000 euros per month takehome in international driving
froggy:
No I will not change one word of it,and if you want to identify with anything in my posts,please feel free,after all the truth cannot be wrong.
Iam not a racist iam a realist.I am retired now but can see in yrs. to come,all the drivers will be from the eastern block and the uk drivers will be either working for peanuts or on the old king cole.Im with you froggy all the way.
To add to what i have previously said,before being forcibly retired thro. injury 5yrs ago i ran thro.west and east euro for 10yrs.I used to go to poland fairly regulary[[warsaw]]mainly.On my travels i saw new factories springing up all over the place,it was obvious it was western finance as the poles didnt have that sort of financial outlay.Its ok euro parliament telling us we are one of the richest countries in euro and should take our fair share of immigrants.ANSWER ME THIS QUESTION.We have all done the job or are still doing it ,why is it neccessary for desperate people to travel all the way from the east with only one destination on their minds UK Its because they get better treated than anywhere el;se. Another point is this,the government figures are based on the immigrants coming in legally,what about the others being trafficked in illegally?My final point is,we seem to have enough money for forein aid[[no objection to that]] but we also have money to finance a war.We have not however got money for the nhs our old peoples pensions or carers not only paid carers but people looking after family members for nothing and saving the country a fortune.
dafdave:
but can see in yrs. to come,all the drivers will be from the eastern block and the uk drivers will be either working for peanuts or on the old king cole.Im with you froggy all the way.
In years to come, I can see the British truck drivers and the other drivers from anywhere in Europe being paid much the same where ever they are.
At the moment drivers and transport companies from the old Eastern Block countries can work for a lot less than the drivers and companies in the west because there costs are much lower. I hear that they also get large grants to buy new equipment (as the Spanish did not long ago).
This will change in a fairly small number of years. The people in the new EU countries want all the technology that we take for granted. They will expect to be paid more, so they can afford it. This will cause inflation in their countries and before long the costs involved in running trucks and employing drivers will be roughly similar all over.
The biggest fly in our ointment (IMHO) is still our government. The same people who will still not charge foreign trucks for using our roads. If they would do that, it would give us all a much more level playing field.
froggies point was that hardly any British hauliers employing Brit drivers can make money on int. work anymore.They are being cut to pieces by the rates. At the moment the old commie block is high viz in Europe.Ands its true for better or worse.
DafDave. The reason they all come to UK & Ireland is because Blair & the Irish prime minister were the only ones in the EEC that opened the doors to 70 million new EEC members to allow them instant work here. France ,for instance, will give permission to work in 7 years time. In the short term the immigrants take up the slack & benefit our economy but in the long term they bring thier own problems. Health care & pensions ect. I am not a xeno but there is a golf course near here and every summer the students around here used to work at the local golf course. Since the doors were opened to the east those jobs have all gone to fulltime EEC workers. Only a small thing , but eventually unemployment will rise. It has already ,figures published last month show that unemployment has risen by 30 thousand… But I don`t blame the EEC migrants…As simon says; Blame Blair. He hijacked the Labour party & turned it into the SuperMaggie party.
An owner driver friend of mine is loaded from the UK to Latvia at the moment, he put in a good rate and got the job on previous service.
He has been loading for the Czech Rebublik recently. I know he is not undercutting rates and he is probably the most expensive haulier the company use
Living quite close to Rennes I am very often on the ring road around the city,I have noticed a great amount of UK trailers being pulled by Portugeese( One largish company comes to mind,Framptons of Shepton Mallet ) ,so it must be cheaper for them to use forign traction. I remember before we moved here and was working for GBE ,Poole (before they went bust) about 10 in the morning all you saw going south was UK trucks. I am amazed by the amount of Polish trucks I see in Brittany,I dont know what they haul as there is no industry here apart from Farming or abitoires,They all seem tohave new DAF or Scanias like the Spaniards did with EC grants.
Said this before and will say it again and no doubt some time in the future,came back last week and the boat was full,now sad as it may be I was one of the first on so I stood watching the trucks board saw only three brit trucks board there was a hand full of NL`s but the rest where from the new eastern EU countries.Then thurday when to fill up into spain once again noticed the truck stops where almost 100% full of eastern EU trucks,fact.
I went from UK to Holland in the 80’s basically because my German wife could not adjust to living in theUK and partly because at the time the rates of pay in Holland were far greater than in the UK.
My 2nd wife is Spanish and that is why the for the last 12 years I have lived in Spain.
Of course one can argue that Brit drivers went to Holland in the 70’s and 80’s as the brickies went to Germany all did so in order to better their income, it was ok then but now it is not so OK ■■? now the boot is on the other foot.
The only difference that I can see is that these it is happening at a far greater rate than back in the 80’s when a few thousand were involved, these days it is a bit different 10’s of thousands are involved and Western European companies are moving enmasse to Eastern Europe or at least opening offices there to ensure themselves of a constant supply of cheap labour.
No it is not just a UK epidemic.
Spain is being flooded with Portuguese, Argentinians, Peruvians, Bulgarians and Rumanian s.
Germany with Poles,Czechs, Slovacs, Lithuanians and Estonians.
Holland with Poles and Czechs
Austria mainly with Czechs
Polish companies are now recruiting Ukrainian drivers because they are cheaper.
There have been cases of Dutch companies opening an office in Poland and closing down the Dutch office thus getting rid of the drivers then reregistering the same vehicles in Poland before reopening the Dutch under a slightly different name.
All these points above may help explain why this time it is a bit more serious what is going on.
Many may think that in a few years when these countries have improved their economies that things will return to normal…wrong moves are already in place to allow Turkey, Rumania and Bulgaria to enter the EU thus providing a guaranteed continuation of cheap labour.
Vascoingles:
Spain is being flooded with Portuguese, Argentinians, Peruvians, Bulgarians and Rumanian s.Germany with Poles,Czechs, Slovacs, Lithuanians and Estonians.
Holland with Poles and Czechs
Austria mainly with Czechs
Polish companies are now recruiting Ukrainian drivers because they are cheaper.
There have been cases of Dutch companies opening an office in Poland and closing down the Dutch office thus getting rid of the drivers then reregistering the same vehicles in Poland before reopening the Dutch under a slightly different name.
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How can this be Paul, when it is only the UK, Sweden, and Ireland that opened their doors to unrestricted immigation from the new EU countries?
Especially in the case of Spain taking non-EU citizens as well according to you.
My old company here S.A.Gauthier, has increased his fleet from 60 to 90 trucks in the 3 years since I retired and when I asked the boss’s son last year how many foreign drivers he had, he just grinned and said ‘you, and Manu,’ a Portuguese neighbour of mine who has been here 20 years or so.
Spardo wake up and smell the coffee,the thing is the free movement of goods you are thinking of the free movement of labour,any EU country can transport goods to any contries within the EU and the thing being if(not when from a french point of view)TR and BG RO become members of the EU which is what the big money men want(very cheap labour)where will the work go■■?
Basically most of them get around it by starting up a company in any one of the cheap labour countries (this is often no more than a PO Box) this under EU laws allows the daughter company to loan drivers to the parent company for an unlimited period of time
The theory of increased growth from free flow of Labour and Capital measures growth in terms of per Capita GDP, ie not yours and my wages but the profits made by industry.
Labour is purely an input and in a competitive market the cost of labour must be driven down to the cost of supply of labour, the worker must in the long run work for the cost of sustenance (Karl Marx - Comm. manifesto); I am extending the theory to include the cost of travel to a place to “give” your labour as being a cost and not a profit of the sale of this labour (a car is NOT a luxury it is an essential just to be able to work (I dont have a car however).
Shortages in Labour will be made up by the flow of labour. Industry will prosper, the worker will work for nothing then revolt then work for nothing for the new order.
The answer is an extension of the welfare state; the state should provide sustenance (all essential inputs to living) to all people irrelevant of status, and pay for it with large taxes. Then when a worker chooses to sell his labour the wages (after tax) will be profit - money on top of the cost of survival.
Any labour flowing in will be welcomed as new workers will immediately add to the system; cheap workers will not profiteer as while they too will receive the benefit of such a state they will be adding to it and not able to milk it.
This will drive wages up lowering employment and curing the shortage of workers we face. Work will become more competitive and higher skills will be rewarded, increasing the demand for human capital and curing the uneducated worker problem the developed world is starting to face.
As for those who will choose not to work; it is only the same who choose not to work now; this is purely industry scaremongering because if it has to pay people what they are worth, the big profits and fat cat salaries will be gone.
This is not socialism but an extension of the capitalist welfare state being used to cure some of the diseases capitalism causes.