The-Snowman:
Carryfast:
The argument isn’t about the need to allow for cut in.
We’re arguing about the relationship between going as far as possible to the offside on the approach road in order to minimise the amount needed to be taken to the offside on the road being entered.
As opposed to vice versa. 
That’s assuming you even have the slightest clue as to the relationship between the two.
Oh goody,you’ve went to “ive backed myself into a corner and will now be condesending to try and cover it” mode
Im perfectly aware thanks. But your so far up your own arse with your need to be right all the time you cant even see what im trying to tell you.
WHO GIVES A [zb] HOW MUCH ROAD YOU TAKE WHEN TURNING? thats for me to decide when I see the road and weigh it up against oncoming traffic,width of entry road,street furniture etc. Its not up to you from the safety of your living room to tell me what road position to take. Ill make that call thank you very much
If your looking,you’ll see whats there before you hit it. Be it 10% of the road or 99% of the road,if you LOOOOOOK you will SEEEEEEEEEE. regardless of what your road position is
Do you understand?
So having said all that bs do you agree that the driver in this case used the correct positioning on approach to the left turn or not.
Colin_scottish:
Carryfast:
Colin_scottish:
Carryfast:
With all that expertise then you’ll obviously have no problem in explaining exactly why the tipper in the above video ran out of road during a left turn and had to make a shunt.Which is more or less the same reason as to why the truck managed to run over a motorcycle on the correct side of the road with it’s nearside front wheel during a left turn in this case.
Meanwhile same question.Would you have made the respective left turns using the same positioning on the approach ?.
No i would have made full use of the road being careful not to try and inconvence the other traffic made a slow approch to the junction use the view were i can see as far as i can up the road.Once i think it safe then proceed but the bike will come in to view way before he did.The tipper truck should have again went far to the right while still using the left indicator then went round with no shunt.But as we all know a tipper truck will sometimes try and push you on and not make a tight turn to easy.
So are you saying that in both cases the drivers didn’t go far enough to the offside on the respective approach roads thereby going too far to the offside on the road being enetered ?.
Yes
Which obviously puts you in direct contradiction with the advice of the ‘training establishment on here’ which is all about maximising the amount of room taken on the entry road.
So what the zb are you arguing with me about. 
Which part of the DCPC course relates to the road positioning of a truck during turns ?.
Wel I’ve certainly learnt something from this thread, and that that thanks to CF I am really quick at scrolling down.
Carryfast:
So having said all that bs do you agree that the driver in this case used the correct positioning on approach to the left turn or not.
For someone who uses all those big words all the time,you really are thick arnt you?
Its the correct position in the respect that the driver,at that time,decided it was correct. Any idiot (as your proving quite nicely at the moment) with all the time on the world can sit behind his computer and pull someone else’s decision to bits.
There is no right or wrong road position. You take as much or as little of the road as you,the driver, deem fit. As I already said to you,you take all things into consideration then adopt road position to suit. If you decide it needs the whole road,then so be it. But with proper OBSERVATION (you know,the thing that started this whole line of junk with you in the first place) then it is irrelevent how much of the road you use,or what your road position is.
IF YOU LOOK,YOU WONT RUN INTO ANYTHING Are you getting any of this or does your need to be right all the time even extend to how everyone else should drive in accordance with the rules of carryfast?
You keep banging on about road position and thinking I have not noticed you stealthly moving the conversation away from the initial comment I made about it being observation that is key. You’ve ignored that (like you always do) and made it about something else (you usually do that as well) rather than admit that if the driver had looked,he’d have seen the bike
Im basically just repeating myself now and its pointless even talking to you as you just go round in circles trying to be the all knowing expert who is always right when in actual fact,behind all the big words,history lessons and patronisation your not much more than a common arrogant internet forum keyboard warrior who thinks he is always right and everyone else is beneath them and should bow to their knowledge and superiority.
Congratulations. Youve now managed to bore someone else into not replying any more. Im done,because if I have to repeat myself one more time ill probably give myself a fractured skull as I bang my head against the desk.
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Yes and those of us with experience know that the lorry driver could not see the motorbike as his nearside mirror blocked it from view. The lorry driver would have first known when he hit it. Nice to see TNUK CSI in action though :lol
I was not going to bother anymore with this thread but one last question for you. Please show me where I said you should take the same position to turn left as to go straight ahead■■? SHOW ME without going off on a tangent if that is possible.
What you definitely have said is that cut in should be allowed for by maximising the amount of room taken on the entry road.What you’ve then so far refused to say is wether you’d make the left turn in this case using the same positioning as the driver in question.Which is also where the coach is in the google maps photo.Or wether you would do as I said in going as far to the offside as possible on the approach. IE at least up to the line marking which denotes the opposing lane direction ?,
Assuming you have no issues with the truck’s position during it’s ‘approach’ to the turn in this case that would obviously be the same the position as going straight on without turning left.Or to put it another way a car driver’s approach to driving a truck. 
Thought so, no answer because I did not say it. Try reading back some of the posts (forget your own or you will die of boredom) and try to understand what is being said and then sit down and study it before talking any more pish.(I like that last word) Cheers whoever posted it earlier.
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Yes and those of us with experience know that the lorry driver could not see the motorbike as his nearside mirror blocked it from view. The lorry driver would have first known when he hit it. Nice to see TNUK CSI in action though :lol
I was not going to bother anymore with this thread but one last question for you. Please show me where I said you should take the same position to turn left as to go straight ahead■■? SHOW ME without going off on a tangent if that is possible.
What you definitely have said is that cut in should be allowed for by maximising the amount of room taken on the entry road.What you’ve then so far refused to say is wether you’d make the left turn in this case using the same positioning as the driver in question.Which is also where the coach is in the google maps photo.Or wether you would do as I said in going as far to the offside as possible on the approach. IE at least up to the line marking which denotes the opposing lane direction ?,
Assuming you have no issues with the truck’s position during it’s ‘approach’ to the turn in this case that would obviously be the same the position as going straight on without turning left.Or to put it another way a car driver’s approach to driving a truck.
Thought so, no answer because I did not say it. Try reading back some of the posts (forget your own or you will die of boredom) and try to understand what is being said and then sit down and study it before talking any more pish.(I like that last word) Cheers whoever posted it earlier.
It was Colin_scottish, but sadly he passed away during this tragic and traumatic event/story/thread…
albion1971:
Carryfast:
albion1971:
Yes and those of us with experience know that the lorry driver could not see the motorbike as his nearside mirror blocked it from view. The lorry driver would have first known when he hit it. Nice to see TNUK CSI in action though :lol
I was not going to bother anymore with this thread but one last question for you. Please show me where I said you should take the same position to turn left as to go straight ahead■■? SHOW ME without going off on a tangent if that is possible.
What you definitely have said is that cut in should be allowed for by maximising the amount of room taken on the entry road.What you’ve then so far refused to say is wether you’d make the left turn in this case using the same positioning as the driver in question.Which is also where the coach is in the google maps photo.Or wether you would do as I said in going as far to the offside as possible on the approach. IE at least up to the line marking which denotes the opposing lane direction ?,
Assuming you have no issues with the truck’s position during it’s ‘approach’ to the turn in this case that would obviously be the same the position as going straight on without turning left.Or to put it another way a car driver’s approach to driving a truck.
Thought so, no answer because I did not say it. Try reading back some of the posts (forget your own or you will die of boredom) and try to understand what is being said and then sit down and study it before talking any more pish.(I like that last word) Cheers whoever posted it earlier.
If I thought you’d be bothered to read anything which proves the total contradiction in the type of bs which as so often you post I’d re post the relevant links to the relevant posts.Suffice to say it’s all there contained in paulweller84’s equally bs arguments with nmm’s and waynedl’s ( correct ) views and your agreement with paulweller.Unless you’re now saying you agree with them and not paulweller84.
However I’ve given you plenty of opportunities to tell us exactly which position,different to the driver in the video,you would have taken on the approach in question and no surprise as usual you seem to want to avoid the question.The only possible conclusion in that case being that you’d take the same position.
