I ask because I was told the limit was 40mph. I’m happier knowing it’s 50 considering I went past the camera a lot nearer 50mph than 40mph.
I don’t understand why it’s not a national speed limit sign. I think a logical system would be to use the national speed limit whenever various limits apply, depending on vehicle type, then display a specific speed sign, such as the 60mph sign in the photo, when the same limit applies to all.
The A660 past Golden Acre Park used to be NSL, so 60mph for cars and 40mph for lorries (before the recent changes), then they changed it to a 50mph zone which now means, by my reckoning, that cars have to go 10mph slower and trucks can go 10mph faster, all doing 50mph which has to be safer.
So if I can go 50mph in a 50 zone and 50mph in a 60 zone, the answer must be to ignore the signs and instead analyse the road type.
My excuse for still figuring this out is that a) I’m pretty new to lorry driving, and b) I’ve always liked to make my own rules up.
The limit for goods vehicles over 7.5 tonnes WAS 40 mph on single carriageway roads (which is was that four lane road is) in England and Wales until April 2015, it is now 50 mph - but remains 40 in Scotland (with the exception of where signed outherwise).
The 60 signs aren’t the “correct” way to sign the national speed limit, but are there to try to clarify what speed limit is, since some drivers seem to be of the mistaken belief that a four lane single carriageway is a dual carriageway road.
There will still be derestriction (NSL) signs when you join that road from roads with a lower speed limit. So it’s still an NSL, but the 60 signs are additional “reminders”.
DAF_MAN:
I don’t understand why it’s not a national speed limit sign.
Because vast swathes of the population do not understand the difference between a dual carriageway and a single carriageway with multiple lanes and wrongly assume the limit is 70mph for cars and 60mph for trucks when in fact it’s 60 and 50 respectively. And 40 for trucks before the changes last year. And of course, those who thought it was 50 for trucks were happy to sit on the limiter because, well, 10% +2mph innit so safe at 56mph.
The Enforcer:
For all of those that said 50mph I would be interested to know how you know that this road is derestricted?
AKA is covered by a national speed limit.
We don’t but the road sign says max 60 mph and as being classified as a single carriage way road then 50 mph applies
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No!
A road being either a single or dual carriageway does not make it national speed limit.
50mph limit for gv’s only applies in a national speed limit hence my question how do you know or why does anyone think this is a national speed limit?
National speed limits apply in the absence of any other posted limit so by sticking up 60mph signs they are suggesting the posted limit applies and that this road is not covered by a national speed limit.
The Enforcer:
For all of those that said 50mph I would be interested to know how you know that this road is derestricted?
AKA is covered by a national speed limit.
No central reservation… Caught many out on that stretch HGV’s.
Yes many been caught out on that bit before the limit was raised .
But it was still classed as 40 before the recent updates on A road. That’s where drivers were getting stung on speed cams.
The Enforcer:
For all of those that said 50mph I would be interested to know how you know that this road is derestricted?
AKA is covered by a national speed limit.
No central reservation… Caught many out on that stretch HGV’s.
Yes many been caught out on that bit before the limit was raised .
But it was still classed as 40 before the recent updates on A road. That’s where drivers were getting stung on speed cams.
I suspect it previously had national speed limit signs
bjd:
its 60 simple
theres no national speed limit sign so you would go by the signed speed limit same as a duel carragway where theres a signed 50 limit
It’s a single carriageway road and the maximum speed limit for LGVS on single carriageway roads is 50mph. Yes the sign says 60 but as a LGV you can’t do 60 on a single carriageway by law. That means this road sign simply does not apply to you as it’s above what you are allowed to do in your vehicle class and on that type of road. The reason these speed repeaters are put up at key areas is because they’re are so many dolly bastarts including you that don’t know the rules behind national speed limit signs.
It’s quite concerning simple Highway Code is being debated here.
Motorways say 70 but are you allowed to do 70 in a LGV? No! End of bloody stupid thread.
The Enforcer:
50mph limit for gv’s only applies in a national speed limit hence my question how do you know or why does anyone think this is a national speed limit?
Could you could post a link to this information ?
The Road Traffic Act 1984 lays down speed limits for (a) Motorway, (b) Dual carriageway road not being a motorway, (c) Other road, in England and Wales these speed limits were amended by The Motor Vehicles (Variation of Speed Limits) (England and Wales) Regulations 2014, national speed limits do not enter into the equation.
It’s quite simple, unless otherwise signposted the maximum speed limit for HGV vehicles on a dual carriageway is 60mph, on a single carriageway it’s 50mph.
Therefore as the road in the OPs image is a single carriageway without a signposted speed limit bellow 50mph the speed limit for HGVs is 50mph.
The Enforcer:
No!
A road being either a single or dual carriageway does not make it national speed limit.
50mph limit for gv’s only applies in a national speed limit hence my question how do you know or why does anyone think this is a national speed limit?
National speed limits apply in the absence of any other posted limit so by sticking up 60mph signs they are suggesting the posted limit applies and that this road is not covered by a national speed limit.
Really?! If you are suggesting I could legally do 60mph in a vehicle over 7.5t on that stretch of road, I would say that is NOT what the .gov website says.
Its single carriageway, so the speed limit of 50mph applies as far as I’m concerned, it makes no mention that I can see, that this only applies when there is a national speed limit sign…
no solid barrier or grass verge separating the carriageways so treat it as a single and stick to 50.
Amazes me how many car drivers don’t understand what a dual carriageway actually is, many would assume op’s pic is because it has 2 lanes, not that it really means 2 separate pieces of carriageway separated by a barrier or grassed verge
The ENFORCER ! Go and drive that road at 56mph but don’t come crying to us when you get a nice letter from the fixed penalty unit giving you a choice of 3 points or your day in court
The way I understand it the maximum for an HGV on any single carriageway road is 50 unless signed lower. So even if it says 60 it doesn’t apply as the NSL for HGVs overrides that sign.
One thing a lot of people have told me, and one even claimed to have been pulled and ticketed by a copper for this is that the HGV limit is 10mph less than the posted limit, so 50=40, 40=30 etc. I’m pretty sure this is ■■■■■■■■ but can anyone confirm this? I’ve checked over the gov site and it says nothing about this, so I’m pretty sure its cobblers, but thought I may as well ask here.
The Enforcer:
50mph limit for gv’s only applies in a national speed limit hence my question how do you know or why does anyone think this is a national speed limit?
Could you could post a link to this information ?
The Road Traffic Act 1984 lays down speed limits for (a) Motorway, (b) Dual carriageway road not being a motorway, (c) Other road, in England and Wales these speed limits were amended by The Motor Vehicles (Variation of Speed Limits) (England and Wales) Regulations 2014, national speed limits do not enter into the equation.
It’s quite simple, unless otherwise signposted the maximum speed limit for HGV vehicles on a dual carriageway is 60mph, on a single carriageway it’s 50mph.
Therefore as the road in the OPs image is a single carriageway without a signposted speed limit bellow 50mph the speed limit for HGVs is 50mph.
Exactly!
“Unless otherwise stated” the national speed limit applies.
There is a posted limit, where does it say the posted limit must be below 50mph to be in force?
