When it changed from a week in hand I was told by me old big firm you need to carry 3 weeks plus current that’s been find until last month when our newly appointed office boy with a CPC became transport manager (haha) of my little firm he’s now changed it to 4 weeks plus current now as much as I couldn’t care how many I carry because I would give his name if Mr VOSA says differant I would be really Issed of if I got done on some infrigment on a card I shouldn’t even have with me.
So is it 4 weeks or 3 weeks… 
28 Days & the day your working as far as I’m concerned, but I have been known to carry well over months worth in the past.
Yeah I might have the slight odd discretion from time to time, but we’re all human & I do note it down.
As long as you’re not running dodgy it shouldn’t be a problem.
Remember to hand them in before the 42nd day.
Is there any specific reason why you are now required to carry cards for the last 28 days, and is it 28 cards or 28 days.
28 days cards + your working week as far as i’m aware…
I carry 28 days, so this in return may only be 22 cards inc weekend breaks.
Sup473:
So is it 4 weeks or 3 weeks…
You’re required by the regulations to carry the charts for the current day plus the previous 28 days (calendar days not worked days) and your driver card if you have one.
this only applies if you use wax charts. if you only use digital then you dont need to carry printouts although you do need to be able to produce them at the roadside hence the requirement to carry a spare roll of paper. if you use both then you need to carry printouts.
the reason for this change was because the digi card holds a months worth of duty so they brought the wax chart users into line with them.
Sup473:
So is it 4 weeks or 3 weeks…
- I can confirm its 28 calendar days plus your current days chart, and if you are a digi card holder then always carry that as well.
scanny77:
the reason for this change was because the digi card holds a months worth of duty so they brought the wax chart users into line with them.
- I did I download on a drivers card this last week and was surprised that it held nearly 9 months of data, even driving full time!
southcoastsurfer:
Sup473:
So is it 4 weeks or 3 weeks…
- I can confirm its 28 calendar days plus your current days chart, and if you are a digi card holder then always carry that as well.
scanny77:
the reason for this change was because the digi card holds a months worth of duty so they brought the wax chart users into line with them.
- I did I download on a drivers card this last week and was surprised that it held nearly 9 months of data, even driving full time!
So thats 9 months of possible tacho infringments all in one go lol, well not really funny, would they do you on every one they found in that 9 month period, not saying your driver has any, and is it still upto a year after an infringment like the old rules and can you destroy the recordings after a year?
scanny77:
if you only use digital then you dont need to carry printouts although you do need to be able to produce them at the roadside hence the requirement to carry a spare roll of paper. if you use both then you need to carry printouts.
The only time you’re required to carry printouts is if you’ve made manual entries on them for any reason, otherwise there’s no need to do or carry printouts regardless of what type of tachograph you use.
You’re required to carry the driver card if you have one regardless of what type of tachograph is fitted to the vehicle being driven, hence no need for printouts 
southcoastsurfer:
scanny77:
the reason for this change was because the digi card holds a months worth of duty so they brought the wax chart users into line with them.
- I did I download on a drivers card this last week and was surprised that it held nearly 9 months of data, even driving full time!
The digital tachograph was designed to hold a minimum of 28 days worth of records but the records aren’t overwritten until the memory chip on the card is full.
I’d hate to have a job where the card became full after only 28 days, I reckon you’d have to change tach modes every few seconds for 13 hours a day 
ajdavis64:
southcoastsurfer:
I did I download on a drivers card this last week and was surprised that it held nearly 9 months of data, even driving full time!So thats 9 months of possible tacho infringments all in one go lol, well not really funny, would they do you on every one they found in that 9 month period, not saying your driver has any, and is it still upto a year after an infringment like the old rules and can you destroy the recordings after a year?
My understanding on this is that if VOSA see infringements older than 28 days you won’t get done for them, I imagine they would probably make you aware of them though.
I think it goes without saying that if they saw a lot of infringements older than the 28 days they would probably start paying more attention to you and the company you work for though.
tachograph:
scanny77:
if you only use digital then you dont need to carry printouts although you do need to be able to produce them at the roadside hence the requirement to carry a spare roll of paper. if you use both then you need to carry printouts.The only time you’re required to carry printouts is if you’ve made manual entries on them for any reason, otherwise there’s no need to do or carry printouts regardless of what type of tachograph you use.
You’re required to carry the driver card if you have one regardless of what type of tachograph is fitted to the vehicle being driven, hence no need for printouts
very true, you do have to carry the digicard whether analogue or tacho. i forgot to mention that 
i do have to question the first point though. i was under the impression that the reason you had to carry printouts when driving an analogue equipped vehicle was because there is no way of reading the drivers card (which you must carry ) or printing the information stored on it. im assuming that some enforcement vehicles have the equipment to read your card but i thought that the reason for their digicard version was to enable them to insert it into the VU which would give them access to information both on the VU and the drivers card. obviously this is not possible if you are driving on a wax chart
scanny77:
i do have to question the first point though. i was under the impression that the reason you had to carry printouts when driving an analogue equipped vehicle was because there is no way of reading the drivers card (which you must carry
I can see where you’re coming from but the regulations only require that you be able to produce:
— charts and any legally required manual records for the current day and the previous 28 calendar days; and
— the driver’s digital smart card if they hold one.
I think you’ll find that all VOSA examiners now have access to a laptop that will enable them to read the card and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that some of the police also have a means of reading the driver card.
As far as I can see if you were required to carry printouts there would be no need for the driver card, unless the authorities have a means of reading it which would make the printouts a bit pointless
So our little office boy is right then…Thanks for your help
tachograph:
scanny77:
i do have to question the first point though. i was under the impression that the reason you had to carry printouts when driving an analogue equipped vehicle was because there is no way of reading the drivers card (which you must carryI can see where you’re coming from but the regulations only require that you be able to produce:
— charts and any legally required manual records for the current day and the previous 28 calendar days; and
— the driver’s digital smart card if they hold one.I think you’ll find that all VOSA examiners now have access to a laptop that will enable them to read the card and I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that some of the police also have a means of reading the driver card.
As far as I can see if you were required to carry printouts there would be no need for the driver card, unless the authorities have a means of reading it which would make the printouts a bit pointless
i am not disputing what you are saying but i have been pulled over and asked to produce the chart in use (pre digital) which clearly showed driving over the 4.5 limit (stuck on the M25, pulled in at the first opportunity). the officer said i got away with it this time because he didnt have the equipment to read my chart. surely under these circumstances, the digital card would prove utterly useless to them. no printouts means they have no way of checking my hours if i am driving on a wax chart at the time 
i have to admit, i prefer it your way. i never take printouts. even if they asked me to print anything i would be asking for a replacement roll. the spare in my bag is as much my property as the digital card and they arent using it without reimbursement or replacement. it took me a while to acquire it 
tachograph:
My understanding on this is that if VOSA see infringements older than 28 days you won’t get done for them, I imagine they would probably make you aware of them though…
Your understanding is wrong. They have up to 12 months from the date of the chart/digi record.
Sup473:
So is it 4 weeks or 3 weeks…
Jesus Christ…
Over 18 months after it came in and you still don’t have a clue?
Professional driver my arse. 
Conor:
tachograph:
My understanding on this is that if VOSA see infringements older than 28 days you won’t get done for them, I imagine they would probably make you aware of them though…Your understanding is wrong. They have up to 12 months from the date of the chart/digi record.
geebee45:
As you’re only required to carry the printouts showing manual entries for a maximum of 29 days, would VOSA check any further back than that at a roadside check, be interesting to hear a VOSA employees view
Kind of gave the answer to this one earlier, but in truth it is unlikely that Examiners would go back more than 28+1, at the roadside. However, if you find a load of things, matters are usually sent for ‘follow-up’ which means an Examiner visits the Operator and looks at records there to see if the problem has been ‘on going’ for some time.
geebee45:
Statute Barred for hours offences is 6 months. However, a pattern of offences that is older than that could be drawn to the attention of the TC, especially if they are reoccurring. Hence, one of the reasons charts / records have to be kept for 12 months.
False records; stat bar is two years.
Last Thursday at Slochd just south of Inverness VOSA were in a layby southbound,as i passed the layby a bloke who i used to work with was waiting to come out. i pulled into the next layby down the road because i knew he would see me and stop for a chat.
Turns out the bloke in the passenger seat had been pulled in, found to be overweight on the front axle because of a pallet of 8x4s put behind the headboard, he had also been done for not being able to produce records of work for the last 28 days NOT JUST CHARTS.
The VOSA bloke said that even if he isnt out on the road and is working in the yard or on site somewhere he should have a written record of it. even if it is just a diary.
My mate was driving because VOSA had told the bloke in the passenger seat that he wasn’t driving again that day but it was ok for another driver to come and take him and the wagon and carry on