What would you like to see in a post-EU UK?

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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ok here goes with my list

1 180 gardener engines, also all drivers have to pass a test driving an eton twin spllit gear box :smiley:

ok seriously
1 dcpc got rid of
2 tacho card free no fee, as its a must for the job so the government should pay and not the driver. there should also be a second card for emergency use if or when the original card gets a fault is lost damaged etc.
3 max drive time 10 hours a day but must have 2 x 45 breaks in order to do the 10th hour other wise the basic 9 hours 1 45 break will still be in force, i think the increase could really help out when been stuck in traffic and your running low on time and the every day thing means if there is just one day out of a week your going to lose the time you will have that extra hour always in hand
4 shift time = 72 hours per week max over 6 days
5 overtime to be paid after 8 hours at time and half rate
6 a minium hourly rate of 13 quid an hour
weekend working to be paid at time and a half sat double time sunday
7 drivers should also be paid by trailer size ie you should get more for driving a double deck as your carrying twice the load of a single deck trailer same goes for extended, trailers

a drivers record should be kept of all the years on the road and any accident etc and some sort of incentive given for drivers to put there best efforts in would be a days extra holiday after 5 years or an increase in hourly pay as it stands drivers of many years get the same pay as someone who has just passed a test, i know which driver i would rather give the keys to so surly some sort of bonus should be given to a long standing driver with a good record to prove his worth ?

finally better facility for drivers all over the country services updated with bigger parks etc

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I’m not so sure that there will be a post EU UK, I think the leave voters will get stitched up here. Bo Jo is out of the frame now (god knows what happened there), the only realistic choices are Teresa May or Gove. Teresa Mays the favourite and she’s a ‘remainer’, if voted in she’ll probably call a snap general election and fight her corner on the basis of having a second EU referendum if she gets voted back in!

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GORDON 50:
I’m not so sure that there will be a post EU UK, I think the leave voters will get stitched up here. Bo Jo is out of the frame now (god knows what happened there), the only realistic choices are Teresa May or Gove. Teresa Mays the favourite and she’s a ‘remainer’, if voted in she’ll probably call a snap general election and fight her corner on the basis of having a second EU referendum if she gets voted back in!

none of them would just blatantly ignore the people,and stop us leaving the EU as their career and this country would come crashing down around them, within a very short space of time, they would be a laughing stock

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As a driver on local work I used to take first 30 min break about 8. 30 to 9.0 to avoid traffic then 15s through out the day more than I needed really .Vehicles involved in construction work ie those that work 7 am 5 pm should be ok to do six days a week if they wished up to a max of 60 hours a week EVERY WEEK . ditch the silly DCPC along with WTD

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Just forgot to mention it I think the spread of FORS and things like it should be banned and left to the government to police, I do not think this has anything to do with eu but still wants ban

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GORDON 50:
I’m not so sure that there will be a post EU UK, I think the leave voters will get stitched up here. Bo Jo is out of the frame now (god knows what happened there), the only realistic choices are Teresa May or Gove. Teresa Mays the favourite and she’s a ‘remainer’, if voted in she’ll probably call a snap general election and fight her corner on the basis of having a second EU referendum if she gets voted back in!

Why is everyone talking about Bojo as if he’s died rather than just decided “not to be PM” - What’s to stop Theresa May having him in one of the top cabinet jobs, like hers for instance?
Gove needs taking out and shooting. If Theresa May gives him a cabinet post and leaves Bojo out with the washing - the full meaning of his backstab becomes clear…

Most policies we’d like to see in driving seem to involve “more money” rather than “better quality of life for drivers”.
It’s all very nice to wish for “overtime after 8 hours everywhere” - but once obtained - you see just how much overtime could be cut back - especially on agency!
I was listed at two seperate agencies sending drivers in to F&W for example… One agency paid a better “right through” rate, and the other paid a lower rate, but overtime after eight hours.
EVERY TIME WITHOUT FAIL - the “Overtime” agency shift would see F&W cut me dead, and send me home at the 9 hour mark into the shift. “9 hours work for 8 hours pay, no overtime ever”.
EVERY TIME WITHOUT FAIL - the “Right through” rate would have me come in around 17:00 hours - and would then proceed to have me work until 6-8am on a “day rate right through the night”.
I took the work at the time, as I was new to it in 2012, - but I still consider both systems to have been run rings around by collusion between agency and client.

If you pay a “flat rate” for a shift - then the haulier is going to get you to work as many hours as poss, book as much of it off as POA as poss, and generally run drivers ragged…
If you get paid overtime - you are only ever going to get very local runs… Boring!

The best scenarios are “overtime minimum hourage” for a shift that you know you can do standing on your head. They are out there, and are to be found probably whilst doing agency work at that yard, at which point you consider taking a full time job there… Hehe… :unamused: :grimacing:

I think we should still have a compulsory 45 & 25 weekly rest thing - ie leave it as it is now.
Cards: Should be issued by the yard. Easier to do contractual tie-ins that way, and argue for a better set of T&Cs when doing so.
DCPC: - I agree with other posters. It SHOULD have created a massive shortage of drivers - but it’s just been used to rubber stamp drivers that can barely speak English instead. Not fit for purpose, and a tax on highly experienced drivers that they don’t deserve.
Medical: - If you pass your medical with flying colours - you get it paid for by the firm. Why shouldn’t a real fit driver get a freebie here when so many of us at the “average age of a driver 54” thing look like they’d struggle to carry their own lard arses out to their truck each morning? :unamused:
Scrap WTD rules, and keep basic core rules the same… Eg. No more “12 hours overnight is illegal” but “break after 4.5 hours driving and max 9 hours driving per day” stands.

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Fair point Winseer, but I can’t see a pro remain pm giving a top cabinet post to the person who spearheaded the leave campaign. Like Gove said earlier, the next leader really has to be someone who backed leaving, otherwise it’s a conflict of interest.

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tommy t:

GORDON 50:
I’m not so sure that there will be a post EU UK, I think the leave voters will get stitched up here. Bo Jo is out of the frame now (god knows what happened there), the only realistic choices are Teresa May or Gove. Teresa Mays the favourite and she’s a ‘remainer’, if voted in she’ll probably call a snap general election and fight her corner on the basis of having a second EU referendum if she gets voted back in!

none of them would just blatantly ignore the people,and stop us leaving the EU as their career and this country would come crashing down around them, within a very short space of time, they would be a laughing stock

Firstly there’d be no need for a GE because she already has the required majority in parliament to overturn the vote.

While the ‘Eurosceptics’ among the Cons have been shown to be mostly all wind and pish.While Farage hasn’t got any representation to do anything about it.

Either that or she’ll just go for swapping EU for EEA and nothing changes.Either in regard to the issue of free movement or possibly the lifting of cabotage restrictions.While being able to say that she’s met the letter of the referendum.

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Now we’re coming out of the EU and we can fantasise briefly before we encounter reality, I’d like to see more red tape incorporating many more rigidities, and the rules enforced against operators much more high-handedly!

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compulsory analogue tachos and no limiters might be a good start…logbooks would be kicking the ■■■ out of it…its easier to hide a wire in your undercrackers than a magnet… :slight_smile:

and…on getting licence,having to work for at least 6 months on trip money to ensure all driving rules and regulations were properly understood at the dcpc on the basis that if you are not fully up to date with the rules,then you cant bend them to suit your wages…

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Max 12 hours on, 12 hours off with your choice of shifts as is, ie: 4 from 7, 4 on 4 off. Office workers work on average only 37.5 hours per week, so why should we have to work any more than 48 hours? Family and leisure time is as equally important to drivers as what it is to others.

No wage cuts, so if you currently earn a wage equivalent to 60 hours, then you should continue to be paid that by your employer if you refer to point 1 above.

End zero hours contracts.

Scrap the DCPC, or if you have been in the industry for a long time, then grandfather rights should kick in, but new blood should take it but with practical training alongside. Also, as they are drivers, if the DCPC is to remain, then taxi drivers should be forced to do it.

Eradicate ALL tolls on bridges and tunnels and private roads. These things must have paid for themselves many times over by now.

As 60mph is on the statute book, then lets go back to it. Trucks are far safer now than at the time when the limit was introduced.

More night time deliveries to city centres. This will mean less artics to go there during daylight hours, but if deliveries are needed, then smaller vehicles.

Compulsory insurance for cyclists (And horse owners), even if you are a child. Sick of being blamed for their shortcomings.

Better driver facilities all round including overnight parking. Companies to be forced to allow drivers access to their toilets as an absolute minimum, after all, it’s a basic human function to want to use the toilet, and if you are on their premises wile they tip you and it is taking time, then this is paramount.

REPAIR OUR ROADS!!! My body is taking a pounding because of under investment in our road network. We have become a 3rd world country because of the state of our roads which is a bit rich considering we are supposed to be the worlds 5th best economy.

Charge foreign vehicles as they enter the country by pre pay then you know they are paying their whack to use our roads, and limit the stay of the vehicle to 7 days from the time of entry. The money raised could then provide a national database with instant information on the vehicle and if they haven’t paid, then immobilise it until they do. Give the vehicle owner 7 days whilst it is immobilised to pay, and if they don’t, then seize it and sell it. After all, the Police do if you have no insurance, and ■■■■■■■■ to Europe if they think this is unfair. Remember this is OUR country no longer shackled to Europe so we don’t need you to tell us if this is unfair. Our country, our rules.

Finally, Let’s get this once great industry back to how it was when we were treated with respect because of the need for our services. We can ALL play a part in that.

Ken.

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agree with 12 hrs max. and all newbie drivers to be limited to 180 Gardners :stuck_out_tongue:

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carryfast-yeti:
and all newbie drivers to be limited to 180 Gardners :stuck_out_tongue:

Or 220 ■■■■■■■ if you are advanced.

Ken.

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GORDON 50:
Fair point Winseer, but I can’t see a pro remain pm giving a top cabinet post to the person who spearheaded the leave campaign. Like Gove said earlier, the next leader really has to be someone who backed leaving, otherwise it’s a conflict of interest.

If Theresa May doesn’t give nearly every cabinet job to a Brexiteer - she will wound herself straight away. I don’t believe she’s that dumb.
What’s more of a danger for her - is if she decides to give “Brexiteer” Gove a top job, but leaves Boris in the wilderness. That would make her very unpopular with Boris supporters AND Gove haters AND probably half the public that vote Tory as well.

Leadsome as PM though? - Cameron came from nowhere to be leader of the opposition before becoming PM. Whoever wins this leadership contest becomes PM straight away, and can hang it out until 2020 if need be.
With the right leader - they could call an early election (which Gordon Brown failed to do, and paid the price for that “lack of risk taking”) - and expect to win it IF they have a cabinet that gives fair reflection to both Brexit and doubting thomas Remainers alike. An all-one-or-the-other cabinet - won’t work I think.

Forget Crabbe - too inexperienced. Has some nice “Working class background” credentials, but this isn’t an anti-toff race, nor even an anti-remain race.

Fox? - The dark horse. If he gets enough support from backbenchers - he’s in with a shot. He would appeal more to traditional Tory people though, rather than “anyone new” - and that might be his weak suit.

So… A showdown between the two women then? - I don’t think Theresa May will get enough support to win it on the first round - unless Boris endorses her. He won’t be doing that unless he’s brought in from the cold right away, and promised any cabinet job he wants. I think he deserves at least that - and right now, Tory people want to see “credit where credit is due”.

I don’t think anyone is expecting the party to reach out to Nigel Farage though, and him not being an MP makes him easy to discard at this point. It’s too early to disband UKIP as yet, because Brexit has got to be fully implemented first in my mind. :neutral_face:

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my money is on Ms Leadsom to win

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Winseer:

GORDON 50:
Fair point Winseer, but I can’t see a pro remain pm giving a top cabinet post to the person who spearheaded the leave campaign. Like Gove said earlier, the next leader really has to be someone who backed leaving, otherwise it’s a conflict of interest.

If Theresa May doesn’t give nearly every cabinet job to a Brexiteer - she will wound herself straight away. I don’t believe she’s that dumb.
What’s more of a danger for her - is if she decides to give “Brexiteer” Gove a top job, but leaves Boris in the wilderness. That would make her very unpopular with Boris supporters AND Gove haters AND probably half the public that vote Tory as well.

Leadsome as PM though? - Cameron came from nowhere to be leader of the opposition before becoming PM. Whoever wins this leadership contest becomes PM straight away, and can hang it out until 2020 if need be.
With the right leader - they could call an early election (which Gordon Brown failed to do, and paid the price for that “lack of risk taking”) - and expect to win it IF they have a cabinet that gives fair reflection to both Brexit and doubting thomas Remainers alike. An all-one-or-the-other cabinet - won’t work I think.

Forget Crabbe - too inexperienced. Has some nice “Working class background” credentials, but this isn’t an anti-toff race, nor even an anti-remain race.

Fox? - The dark horse. If he gets enough support from backbenchers - he’s in with a shot. He would appeal more to traditional Tory people though, rather than “anyone new” - and that might be his weak suit.

So… A showdown between the two women then? - I don’t think Theresa May will get enough support to win it on the first round - unless Boris endorses her. He won’t be doing that unless he’s brought in from the cold right away, and promised any cabinet job he wants. I think he deserves at least that - and right now, Tory people want to see “credit where credit is due”.

I don’t think anyone is expecting the party to reach out to Nigel Farage though, and him not being an MP makes him easy to discard at this point. It’s too early to disband UKIP as yet, because Brexit has got to be fully implemented first in my mind. :neutral_face:

None of that makes any sense.There’s no way that that the interests of the Europhiles will ever match those of the Eurosceptics.As it stands the Europhiles hold the upper hand just as they did before the referendum and as if it had never even taken place.Arguably to the point where they are stronger now than before with the Eurosceptics having shown that 1 they are too weak to enforce the referendum vote and 2 they are way outnumbered in parliament anyway.From Cameron’s point of view everything is in place just as it would have been if remain had won with both Leave and UKIP effectively now being a worthless pressure group with an equally worthless mandate.Because there’s no way that the referendum vote can be turned into an equivalent Parliamentary vote.

At best we might get a change in status from EU to EEA which is just still a remain agenda in everything but name.While at worse they’ll just kick Brexit into the long grass.

My money is on the latter because if I was remainer what reason would I have to need to do anything except maintain the status quo with Europe.On that note the failure to invoke article 50 says it all in that regard.

On that note it really has to be an all or nothing cabinet and we already know it ain’t going to be a cabinet made of even a majority of Eurosceptics if any.Which is effectively the same thing as an all for remain and nothing for Brexit cabinet. :bulb: :unamused:

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This vote will prove who is left to do the bull then.

If Brexiteers are not appeased by a remain PM such as Theresa May - they’ll pay for it at the ballot box be that this autumn or 2020… The Tories are not going to be any better off hanging out the next election if they do nothing but backstab Brexiteers (rather than the British Bulldog option) between now and then.

I agree that there is not enough power in the parlimentary Tory party to make a decent cabinet of “Only” Brexiteers. If that were possible, Gove wouldn’t be wielding the knife in the first place - he’d be endorsing whichever candidate were obvious enough to romp it on personal charisma alone, which even he knows he lacks.

I’m forced then to take seriously Theresa May’s “cunning plan” of being the “acceptable face of Parlimentary Remain” then. Her “Brexit means Brexit” is going to have to do - Purists be damned. :frowning:

If anyone goes so far as to openly attempt to reverse the poll, and give us the “Irish Solution” for example - I predict there will be a political party in this country within a decade that start pushing towards a 21st century version of the FINAL solution. - Surely no one wants THAT?! :frowning: :open_mouth: :cry:

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Winseer:
This vote will prove who is left to do the bull then.

If Brexiteers are not appeased by a remain PM such as Theresa May - they’ll pay for it at the ballot box be that this autumn or 2020… The Tories are not going to be any better off hanging out the next election if they do nothing but backstab Brexiteers (rather than the British Bulldog option) between now and then.

I agree that there is not enough power in the parlimentary Tory party to make a decent cabinet of “Only” Brexiteers. If that were possible, Gove wouldn’t be wielding the knife in the first place - he’d be endorsing whichever candidate were obvious enough to romp it on personal charisma alone, which even he knows he lacks.

I’m forced then to take seriously Theresa May’s “cunning plan” of being the “acceptable face of Parlimentary Remain” then. Her “Brexit means Brexit” is going to have to do - Purists be damned. :frowning:

If anyone goes so far as to openly attempt to reverse the poll, and give us the “Irish Solution” for example - I predict there will be a political party in this country within a decade that start pushing towards a 21st century version of the FINAL solution. - Surely no one wants THAT?! :frowning: :open_mouth: :cry:

Let’s just say that I’m a UKIP voter and Theresa May instead of David Davis says it all in certainly not appeasing me.Let alone not invoking article 50 on the 24th June.Or at best swapping EU for EEA members state.While even assuming the best case scenario of a swing to UKIP.The Con Eurosceptic vote has been shown to be no more effective now than it was when Powell tried to fight off Heath’s Federalist Europhile agenda.While even the narrow Labour UKIP swing vote based margin,reflected in the referendum vote,still isn’t enough and/or too widely spread across the country,to defeat the combined Europhile Lab/LibDem/Con/SNP vote in parliament.At the very least without a voting system based on PR.

In which case realistically we’re in the same,or at least similar, place now as we were before the referendum.Ironically with possibly an even weaker Eurosceptic agenda than before.

As for the Final Solution bollox.No I don’t think that the AfD and FN are genocidal maniacs.They are Nationalists just like Michael Collins was a Nationalist not a ■■■■.If you want to look for the real threat it will be the ever increasing strength of Socialist Federalism putting down the last dying embers of Nation State sovereignty,independence and self determination,across Europe.In which case just hope and pray that the two examples I’ve given there among others can hold the line before it’s too late.

As for us unfortunately this country has obviously swallowed the bs Socialist indoctrination and propaganda,that Nationalist means ■■■■,hook line and sinker and is now therefore part of the problem in Europe,not the solution. :frowning:

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All drivers to watch convoy and smokey and the bandit as part of the dcpc. When they realise what it’s like to get in the rocking chair with little beaver they might learn about camaraderie between drivers :stuck_out_tongue:

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Is this now another EU political discussion thread? :open_mouth:
I wonder how that happened? :unamused: