What will you do once trucking is dead?

[juddian]

Lots of us have found our niche’s in the transport sector, and there’s no way on this earth that we’re being replaced by a machine.

Yes as Jimmy McNulty notes the transport sector changes, but the basic requirement to transport goods from one place to another hasn’t changed since man invented the wheel and started carrying loads on a cart pulled along by oxen, that part won’t change.

Yes they can automate certain (un) loading procedures, they can fit automated trucks to transport pallets round a warehouse or even containers around a dock, but it will be donkeys years (where’s Dr Damon is he still testing advanced robotic vehicles in a country with presumably no internet connection ) before automated vehicles will be capable of negotiating the roads of Britain, and by then the coming religious etc wars will have kicked off and half the country will be back in the middle ages, which will kick any megalomaniacs plans down the road another decade or three.

No young drivers reading the pessimistic lurid doom messages pedalled here should change their plans, if you want to make a career out of lorrying you will still be at it in your dotage, and it can if you work at it and play your cards right be both lucrative and as secure as any working class job out there.

Some people can’t cope in the industry, that’s another thing entirely, it’s not a job for snowflakes it never was and anyone who expects top money for a basic sat on your arse chauffering job of 9 hours doing sod all other than attending a steering wheel is going to be sorely disappointed at what pay is on offer for such mundane stuff any fool can do, but if you learn your trade and earn yourself a reputation for being reliable and capable you will never ever be out of work for more than a day or two.
My advice is to specialise within the industry, not only is the money better but if or when it comes times to change the chances are that your chosen speciality will lead onto the next one.

[jimmy_mcnulty]

Grandpa:

jakethesnake:
But your facts are wrong DD.

I’m not a grammar ■■■■, but I can tell when someone knows nothing of just about everything. The way it’s written and avoiding the subject usually gives it away. Keyboard warriors, they’re everywhere. Politics surely comes into it and the thread itself is a clue that people are worried for various reasons. For people who can’t see the decline it’s going to be even more of a problem, so why not mention it? We few picked up not only on DDs lack of content, but the method of writing, which at best is childlike. I’d rather stick to the topic, but DD reduces it to posters. It’s just the way it is. I jOin in Andd smile But don’t take him tu seriousky.

The industry has chewed you up and spat you out Grandpa so it suits you to believe it’s in decline. In reality, at your age you should be able to pick and choose your jobs, taking the cream.

So looking at the politics the population is forecast to grow and grow. We all consume, whether it be caviar or spam and that has to be brought to the people.

It might be bought in different ways, it might be grown in different ways and it might be produced in a different country but it will sure as hell spend some time on the road.

Whether you are the ‘guard’ of a platoon of trucks, the man that sets the autopilot up or the mere driver it’s going nowhere.

You and that other ■■■■ (starts in C ends in T) can’t find a job that suits your ideal of starting at 11 and finishing at 3, driving an hour 1 way and back and not touching the load so are polluting the place with your utter negative pish.

[grandpa]

Correct. Started one and due to life circumstances changing couldn’t complete it. Then made the same mistake again. However I have wanted to drive trucks since I was young and it’s in the family so I would have been here regardless.

Some of us with half a brain are happy with their lot having experienced a number of industries and seeing that the grass isn’t greener, its grass - it suits some of us that like driving, music/sports/current affairs, have a low tolerance of [zb] and don’t like being stuck with the same view.

The road transport industry is in no way a declining industry. It’s a changing industry but it’s going nowhere and if anything its slowly growing.

Ps I know drivers in their 70’s, doing ‘the easiest driving jobs they have ever had’ with all the financial means to retire but no intention.

I am well aware that it isn’t all sweetness and Rose’s in transport but it’s as good or as bad as you want to make it. If you aren’t driving anymore, hate it so much and can’t bring anything other than negativity here then maybe it’s time to log and [zb] off to these other forums you frequent

Yes, you’re right, it’s whatever you want to do, but the change is the decline with companies now starting to go bust one after another. I don’t know anyone in their 70s loving it, or 60s, unless they’re doing it to supplement a state pension. No one is going to work on an icy winter’s day/night because they love the job. If you personally love the job that’s fine and if it’s a good one, best of luck, yet it’s not for the majority and that’s what you’re hearing on the forum. People are getting worried.

The job is as good or as bad as the planners and management make it, not us. I’m not about negativity, as isn’t this thread and others like it. We’re the ones who said the last recession was going to be huge and a majority laughed. We’re the ones who have been saying for years that if you introduce mass economic migrants into the workforce don’t be surprised at stagnating wages, maxed out workload and competition. We’re the ones who are asking why there’s a shortage of drivers in this industry that you say is slowly growing. We’re the ones who are echoing the economists when they warn about another recession in this unsustainable gig economy.

At one time who’d have thought that an island surrounded by water would see the death of its fishing industry? Shipbuilding? We were once the best. Where did the British car industry go? Times change and those who are sticking to the past will in the future find it the hardest. It’s not an opinion, google the transport companies currently going bust, it’s not difficult to do.

[dieseldog999]

You and that other [zb] (starts in C ends in T) can’t find a job that suits your ideal of starting at 11 and finishing at 3, driving an hour 1 way and back and not touching the load so are polluting the place with your utter negative pish.
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couldnt have said it better there my good man.

looks like someone else following the opinion of the famous few and their poor standard of trolling mince.
im thinking itl just be ignore as your observation is extremely accurate and keep flogging away till everyone gets bored then convince his/them/ self they win again…after all,it is a quiet sunday for passing the time.

[grandpa]

dieseldog999:
You and that other [zb] (starts in C ends in T) can’t find a job that suits your ideal of starting at 11 and finishing at 3, driving an hour 1 way and back and not touching the load so are polluting the place with your utter negative pish.

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couldnt have said it better there my good man.

looks like someone else following the opinion of the famous few and their poor standard of trolling mince.
im thinking itl just be ignore as your observation is extremely accurate and keep flogging away till everyone gets bored then convince his/them/ self they win again…after all,it is a quiet sunday for passing the time.
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I’ll give you the last word DD, because it’s what trolls like best.

[grandpa]

Jimmy McNulty:

Grandpa:

jakethesnake:
But your facts are wrong DD.

I’m not a grammar ■■■■, but I can tell when someone knows nothing of just about everything. The way it’s written and avoiding the subject usually gives it away. Keyboard warriors, they’re everywhere. Politics surely comes into it and the thread itself is a clue that people are worried for various reasons. For people who can’t see the decline it’s going to be even more of a problem, so why not mention it? We few picked up not only on DDs lack of content, but the method of writing, which at best is childlike. I’d rather stick to the topic, but DD reduces it to posters. It’s just the way it is. I jOin in Andd smile But don’t take him tu seriousky.

The industry has chewed you up and spat you out Grandpa so it suits you to believe it’s in decline. In reality, at your age you should be able to pick and choose your jobs, taking the cream.

So looking at the politics the population is forecast to grow and grow. We all consume, whether it be caviar or spam and that has to be brought to the people.

It might be bought in different ways, it might be grown in different ways and it might be produced in a different country but it will sure as hell spend some time on the road.

Whether you are the ‘guard’ of a platoon of trucks, the man that sets the autopilot up or the mere driver it’s going nowhere.

You and that other [zb] (starts in C ends in T) can’t find a job that suits your ideal of starting at 11 and finishing at 3, driving an hour 1 way and back and not touching the load so are polluting the place with your utter negative pish.

No Jimmy, I spat the industry out. No one forced me to stay in it and the choice was mine. That’s your opinion that I’m looking for a four hour shift, because you wouldn’t acknowledge that those sort of hours wouldn’t exist, so I understand the sarcasm. There is no ‘cream’, there are the left overs and those that have no choice have to make do with what’s left. They’re not and that’s an answer as to driver shortage. I passed my test in 1988 and I know what’s happening. That’s the beauty of it. When it all collapses and even you begin to complain, I’ll already have had the foresight to have got out and so it won’t affect me.

[yourhavingalarf]

Grandpa:
I’ll already have had the foresight to have got out and so it won’t affect me.

This is…

The equivilant of a six year old child in the playground going ner ner ner ner nerrrrr.

[jimmy_mcnulty]

Grandpa:

Jimmy McNulty:

Grandpa:

jakethesnake:
But your facts are wrong DD.

I’m not a grammar ■■■■, but I can tell when someone knows nothing of just about everything. The way it’s written and avoiding the subject usually gives it away. Keyboard warriors, they’re everywhere. Politics surely comes into it and the thread itself is a clue that people are worried for various reasons. For people who can’t see the decline it’s going to be even more of a problem, so why not mention it? We few picked up not only on DDs lack of content, but the method of writing, which at best is childlike. I’d rather stick to the topic, but DD reduces it to posters. It’s just the way it is. I jOin in Andd smile But don’t take him tu seriousky.

The industry has chewed you up and spat you out Grandpa so it suits you to believe it’s in decline. In reality, at your age you should be able to pick and choose your jobs, taking the cream.

So looking at the politics the population is forecast to grow and grow. We all consume, whether it be caviar or spam and that has to be brought to the people.

It might be bought in different ways, it might be grown in different ways and it might be produced in a different country but it will sure as hell spend some time on the road.

Whether you are the ‘guard’ of a platoon of trucks, the man that sets the autopilot up or the mere driver it’s going nowhere.

You and that other [zb] (starts in C ends in T) can’t find a job that suits your ideal of starting at 11 and finishing at 3, driving an hour 1 way and back and not touching the load so are polluting the place with your utter negative pish.

No Jimmy, I spat the industry out. No one forced me to stay in it and the choice was mine. That’s your opinion that I’m looking for a four hour shift, because you wouldn’t acknowledge that those sort of hours wouldn’t exist, so I understand the sarcasm. There is no ‘cream’, there are the left overs and those that have no choice have to make do with what’s left. They’re not and that’s an answer as to driver shortage. I passed my test in 1988 and I know what’s happening. That’s the beauty of it. When it all collapses and even you begin to complain, I’ll already have had the foresight to have got out and so it won’t affect me.

When BHS went bust, Woolworths, Mothercare - I could name 100’s. Did that mean the Retail industry was collapsing. No it didn’t, the demand for the products these companies are still there and higher than ever, but the market has changed. These companies were poorly run and didn’t adapt to a changing market.

Thomas Cook has gone bust. Does it mean the travel industry is collapsing. No its bigger than ever.

So because transport companies are going bust it doesn’t mean the industry is going to fall down.

There are problems in the industry of course but the requirement for Transport is there and if anything is getting bigger. Transport companies can’t run at a loss, it will have to balance itself out and whether that’s more manufacturers and retailers taking all or part of the operation back in house or rates increasing remains to be seen. How does that affect the driver?

Stobart were charging Next for 20-30 one hit trunks per day out of Yorkshire well over £2.50 per mile and a lot owner drivers would kill for that rate, runs that were 200-250 miles long.

[grandpa]

When BHS went bust, Woolworths, Mothercare - I could name 100’s. Did that mean the Retail industry was collapsing. No it didn’t, the demand for the products these companies are still there and higher than ever, but the market has changed. These companies were poorly run and didn’t adapt to a changing market.

Thomas Cook has gone bust. Does it mean the travel industry is collapsing. No its bigger than ever.

So because transport companies are going bust it doesn’t mean the industry is going to fall down.

There are problems in the industry of course but the requirement for Transport is there and if anything is getting bigger. Transport companies can’t run at a loss, it will have to balance itself out and whether that’s more manufacturers and retailers taking all or part of the operation back in house or rates increasing remains to be seen. How does that affect the driver?

Stobart were charging Next for 20-30 one hit trunks per day out of Yorkshire well over £2.50 per mile and a lot owner drivers would kill for that rate, runs that were 200-250 miles long.

Yes. It meant that what once looked like a high street now looks like a place of run down businesses, betting shops and charity shops. No one has said the industry is going to ‘fall down’, but it is rapidly declining. In the end there will be half a dozen companies, cut to the bone that will dominate the transport industry, just like a few supermarkets now dominate the food industry.

We all have opinions. Yet if you look around at what’s going on, they’re facts. Now, you can believe or disbelieve, you can pretend that everyone is loving it, making loads of money, new people are pushing to get into the industry, the rates are brilliant … But you’re wrong and so the few turn against the posters. It’s because you know you’re wrong, but want to believe because the few have no alternatives. You’re stuck and in your heart of hearts would you still recommend a career as a HGV driver to anyone? I think the majority, including me, would do it all again, but would we come into it now? It’s why the industry now relies on economic migrants. It’s over, the good days have gone in a race to the bottom.

Whoever thought the coal mining industry or the industrial revolution would end? Despite the amount of transport companies collapsing, you still think the industry is growing? That tens of thousands have already left the industry simply goes over your heads? It’s fantastic isn’t it, Yorkie Bar stuff and if someone is fortunate to have a good job, the world is a blur a hundred yards from their nose.

If you have to train ex-prisoners to come into the industry you should know there’s a problem. I was lucky I had an alternative, but I wouldn’t wish the future on anyone.

[geoffo]

Hopefully in the next 10 years I’ll be flying between my Apartment in Dubai & my villa in La Zagaleta depending on the weather of course.

[jakethesnake]

Its fairly obvious with some that the truth hurts when they start hurtling abuse about.

clarkebell.com/industry-sec … portation/

[nite_owl]

I hate to say it but I think this industry is dying. We’ve all complained on here about the race to the bottom, poor wages and conditions etc. Yet even as wages are eroded, companies cut their rates and profit margins even further for that extra contract. This is now a job that youngsters no longer want. The influx of foreign workers, free licenses to the unemployed and ex prisoners is nothing more than a sticking plaster on a severed limb. Hence the headlong rush towards the holy grail of driverless trucks. If/when that arrives, aside from a few specialised jobs that require a human, lorry drivers will be all but extinct.

The only thing that is in doubt to my mind is the timescale. 10 years? 20? 30? Who knows. But when auto cars become the norm and the randomness of the motorways becomes more ordered then auto trucks will be able to take our jobs.

As for me, I’ll become a funeral director. I reckon people will carry on dying for quite a while yet.

[jimmy_mcnulty]

Grandpa:

When BHS went bust, Woolworths, Mothercare - I could name 100’s. Did that mean the Retail industry was collapsing. No it didn’t, the demand for the products these companies are still there and higher than ever, but the market has changed. These companies were poorly run and didn’t adapt to a changing market.

Thomas Cook has gone bust. Does it mean the travel industry is collapsing. No its bigger than ever.

So because transport companies are going bust it doesn’t mean the industry is going to fall down.

There are problems in the industry of course but the requirement for Transport is there and if anything is getting bigger. Transport companies can’t run at a loss, it will have to balance itself out and whether that’s more manufacturers and retailers taking all or part of the operation back in house or rates increasing remains to be seen. How does that affect the driver?

Stobart were charging Next for 20-30 one hit trunks per day out of Yorkshire well over £2.50 per mile and a lot owner drivers would kill for that rate, runs that were 200-250 miles long.

Yes. It meant that what once looked like a high street now looks like a place of run down businesses, betting shops and charity shops. No one has said the industry is going to ‘fall down’, but it is rapidly declining. In the end there will be half a dozen companies, cut to the bone that will dominate the transport industry, just like a few supermarkets now dominate the food industry.

We all have opinions. Yet if you look around at what’s going on, they’re facts. Now, you can believe or disbelieve, you can pretend that everyone is loving it, making loads of money, new people are pushing to get into the industry, the rates are brilliant … But you’re wrong and so the few turn against the posters. It’s because you know you’re wrong, but want to believe because the few have no alternatives. You’re stuck and in your heart of hearts would you still recommend a career as a HGV driver to anyone? I think the majority, including me, would do it all again, but would we come into it now? It’s why the industry now relies on economic migrants. It’s over, the good days have gone in a race to the bottom.

Whoever thought the coal mining industry or the industrial revolution would end? Despite the amount of transport companies collapsing, you still think the industry is growing? That tens of thousands have already left the industry simply goes over your heads? It’s fantastic isn’t it, Yorkie Bar stuff and if someone is fortunate to have a good job, the world is a blur a hundred yards from their nose.

If you have to train ex-prisoners to come into the industry you should know there’s a problem. I was lucky I had an alternative, but I wouldn’t wish the future on anyone.

Firstly I ain’t stuck. Gig economy mate when I want out I will get out.

Secondly if Grandpa (or should I say jakethefake) says it Tuesday its Tuesday.

Jakey (or should I say Grandpa) I could post all the links in the world to suit an agenda I want to argue, doesn’t mean its right. But posting a link from an insolvency practice saying that they have a lot of experience in insolvency, are you a bit special?

[grandpa]

Firstly I ain’t stuck. Gig economy mate when I want out I will get out.

Secondly if Grandpa (or should I say jakethefake) says it Tuesday its Tuesday.

Jakey (or should I say Grandpa) I could post all the links in the world to suit an agenda I want to argue, doesn’t mean its right. But posting a link from an insolvency practice saying that they have a lot of experience in insolvency, are you a bit special?

I didn’t paste the insolvency link, someone else did, but if you want to google transport companies going bankrupt, you can take your pick of links. Try it and then say it’s all lies.

So Jake and I are the same person and you and DD are one and the same. No, we’re four different people. Two of us see reality and you two focus on beliefs.
No one is saying believe anything. Look around you and see the state the whole country is in, not just the transport industry. Look at the construction industry, or retail … the whole lot is declining.

Let me put this one past you. Do you know there was a recession in 2008? Are you aware wages have stagnated for a decade? Are many economic migrants starting to return home, or is it just a rumour? I mean, are you even aware of what’s going on around you? I can understand someone trying to be optimistic and saying things will get better, but you and DD don’t even know what’s happening.

I hope you’re not stuck and can get out when it goes ■■■■ up. By your comments though, I don’t think you’ll even see it coming until it’s too late.

[switchlogic]

Drive a coach

[jimmy_mcnulty]

Grandpa:

Firstly I ain’t stuck. Gig economy mate when I want out I will get out.

Secondly if Grandpa (or should I say jakethefake) says it Tuesday its Tuesday.

Jakey (or should I say Grandpa) I could post all the links in the world to suit an agenda I want to argue, doesn’t mean its right. But posting a link from an insolvency practice saying that they have a lot of experience in insolvency, are you a bit special?

. Do you know there was a recession in 2008? )

Yes. Also in 2007 and during most of 2009. We had a recession in 2012 and 2013 and there was one I think in 15 or 16.

A lot of Europe and the US were in recession in the early 2000’s and of course there was the recession in 1991ish.

Of course the bigger problem in 2007 that of course you seen coming was the global financial crisis brought on by sub standard lendi blah blah blah

[jakethesnake]

As for me, I’ll become a funeral director. I reckon people will carry on dying for quite a while yet.

Best post yet.

[dieseldog999]

Firstly I ain’t stuck. Gig economy mate when I want out I will get out.

Secondly if Grandpa (or should I say jakethefake) says it Tuesday its Tuesday.

Jakey (or should I say Grandpa) I could post all the links in the world to suit an agenda I want to argue, doesn’t mean its right. But posting a link from an insolvency practice saying that they have a lot of experience in insolvency, are you a bit special?
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funny how you and many others seem to notice a distinct similarity there jimmy old bean.
wheres uktrampydrdamon when we need them to backup all this sunday dinner pish.■■

[grandpa]

Jimmy McNulty:

Grandpa:

Firstly I ain’t stuck. Gig economy mate when I want out I will get out.

Secondly if Grandpa (or should I say jakethefake) says it Tuesday its Tuesday.

Jakey (or should I say Grandpa) I could post all the links in the world to suit an agenda I want to argue, doesn’t mean its right. But posting a link from an insolvency practice saying that they have a lot of experience in insolvency, are you a bit special?

. Do you know there was a recession in 2008? )

Yes. Also in 2007 and during most of 2009. We had a recession in 2012 and 2013 and there was one I think in 15 or 16.

A lot of Europe and the US were in recession in the early 2000’s and of course there was the recession in 1991ish.

Of course the bigger problem in 2007 that of course you seen coming was the global financial crisis brought on by sub standard lendi blah blah blah

No Jimmy, there wasn’t a recession in 2007, it began in late 2008 although the businesses began to lay of around 2007 because they could see it coming. 2007 and it was still booming. The global financial crisis was the recession, although it took a long time to go round the world. Previously the dot com bubble in the late 90s, etc. Some say and I agree, is that we never came out of the recession and we’re still in the dips and peaks bounce period.

Did I see it coming? Yes of course I did and millions also saw it. We’re the ones who emigrated and missed the unemployment queues and food banks. The ones who said it wouldn’t happen and believed the government hype are the ones who suffered the most and lost their jobs and mortgages. This time will be no different as the gullible can’t even see it coming.

[franglais]

switchlogic:
Drive a coach

You horrible Sod Luke!
A fate worse than death. Being trapped in a confined space, with people you can`t avoid. Having to interact with strangers. Having to take whatever hand is dealt you.

Have you no feeling for the travelling public?