What If ?

scotstrucker:

waynedl:
Vote yes, bugger off.

Oh, btw, I think you’ll find the oil belongs to US :grimacing:

That ok u can keep the oil as it now costing at least 20 times more to extract it and anyway the oil we extract cant be used for making fuel as it aint the right type of crude

That’s the same bs that the government told everyone in the 1970’s in answer to the question why is a country that’s self sufficient in oil paying more at the pumps than countries which had none.

So they’ve been flogging off loads of the stuff to America and Europe over the years when all it’s supposedly good for is light lubrication.The fact is only a mug would believe that. :unamused:

Which part of North Sea light crude oil produces a ‘higher’ percentage of petrol and diesel than the heavy zb don’t people understand.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brent_Crude

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light_crude_oil

NewLad:

andrew.s:

Carryfast:

nearly there:
Sorry to burst your bubbles but we are going no where. the proddies dont want to break up the uk and most of us see salmond as living in his own wee world

Trust me if UKIP lose the next election Scotland will wish that it had broken away from the UK,when the socialist zb’s in the new Lib/Lab coalition,impose an 80% fossil fuel tax,and cover Scotland in nuclear power stations and wind generators to stop bs global warming.Before signing us all over to a federal Europe and increasing immigration. :open_mouth: :bulb:

“if ukip lose the next election”?- do you for one minute think that ukip will win enough constituencies to form a government at the next election? dream on.the only way ukip will get anywhere near government will be to form a coalition with the tories…

Which is why I’ll be voting blue and not purple, I agree with most things UKIP stand for, especially on immigration, but I’d sooner be shot than help Labour win an election by ‘wasting’ my vote on UKIP who won’t win.

As long as everyone thinks like that, nothing will change.

The problem with this country is too many people vote for ‘the lesser evil’ rather than voting someone who they’d actually want in power.

I’m not saying I’d be happy with UKIP, we need a decent option, but there’s no point whilst people think like you do.

I will always vote for who I want to win, no matter what chance they’ve got, and if everyone else did the same, they’d have a better chance then wouldn’t they?

waynedl:

NewLad:

andrew.s:

Carryfast:

nearly there:
Sorry to burst your bubbles but we are going no where. the proddies dont want to break up the uk and most of us see salmond as living in his own wee world

Trust me if UKIP lose the next election Scotland will wish that it had broken away from the UK,when the socialist zb’s in the new Lib/Lab coalition,impose an 80% fossil fuel tax,and cover Scotland in nuclear power stations and wind generators to stop bs global warming.Before signing us all over to a federal Europe and increasing immigration. :open_mouth: :bulb:

“if ukip lose the next election”?- do you for one minute think that ukip will win enough constituencies to form a government at the next election? dream on.the only way ukip will get anywhere near government will be to form a coalition with the tories…

Which is why I’ll be voting blue and not purple, I agree with most things UKIP stand for, especially on immigration, but I’d sooner be shot than help Labour win an election by ‘wasting’ my vote on UKIP who won’t win.

As long as everyone thinks like that, nothing will change.

The problem with this country is too many people vote for ‘the lesser evil’ rather than voting someone who they’d actually want in power.

I’m not saying I’d be happy with UKIP, we need a decent option, but there’s no point whilst people think like you do.

I will always vote for who I want to win, no matter what chance they’ve got, and if everyone else did the same, they’d have a better chance then wouldn’t they?

UKIP isn’t ideal in still being all about big business but the fact is there really isn’t an option this time.The choice is simply put UKIP in or sign up to a Federal Europe run by Germany and Eastern Europe for Germany and Eastern Europe and the global warming agenda.In which case expect massive fuel price increases and the risk of turning the country into a big Chernobyl ‘to reduce dependency on fossil fuels’.

As I said earlier , tin hats and earmuffs , thread out of control as expected .

Looking through the posts, as usual when it comes to anything to do with national issues, the english are first to start the dissing and insults . This from a country whose national identity revolves around skinhead football hooligans ,morris dancing and the royal family . Unfortunately i dont have a vote and wouldnt like to see this once proud nation divided up . However if there was a split i think the Scottish people are more than capable of making a success of it .

Tommy the english like to think us scottish folk still live in fields in mud huts.while the ones slagging us are the jeremy kyle type,with 5 kids sporting the same england tops everytime they go to the costa.id rather live in iran than down south

TommyTucker:
Looking through the posts, as usual when it comes to anything to do with national issues, the english are first to start the dissing and insults . This from a country whose national identity revolves around skinhead football hooligans ,morris dancing and the royal family . Unfortunately i dont have a vote and wouldnt like to see this once proud nation divided up . However if there was a split i think the Scottish people are more than capable of making a success of it .

There’s a lot of unfair stereotypes in that description while there’s also a lot of irrational hysteria concerning the idea that England and Scotland need to be tied together for some reason. :confused: When the fact is England and Scotland have been seperate over a longer period historically than they’ve been together with no noticeable difference for either population.While in general it’s more often an English trait to actually admire those who want to stand on their own feet not dis or insult them certainly in my case at least. :bulb:

waynedl:

NewLad:

andrew.s:

Carryfast:

nearly there:
Sorry to burst your bubbles but we are going no where. the proddies dont want to break up the uk and most of us see salmond as living in his own wee world

Trust me if UKIP lose the next election Scotland will wish that it had broken away from the UK,when the socialist zb’s in the new Lib/Lab coalition,impose an 80% fossil fuel tax,and cover Scotland in nuclear power stations and wind generators to stop bs global warming.Before signing us all over to a federal Europe and increasing immigration. :open_mouth: :bulb:

“if ukip lose the next election”?- do you for one minute think that ukip will win enough constituencies to form a government at the next election? dream on.the only way ukip will get anywhere near government will be to form a coalition with the tories…

Which is why I’ll be voting blue and not purple, I agree with most things UKIP stand for, especially on immigration, but I’d sooner be shot than help Labour win an election by ‘wasting’ my vote on UKIP who won’t win.

As long as everyone thinks like that, nothing will change.

The problem with this country is too many people vote for ‘the lesser evil’ rather than voting someone who they’d actually want in power.

I’m not saying I’d be happy with UKIP, we need a decent option, but there’s no point whilst people think like you do.

I will always vote for who I want to win, no matter what chance they’ve got, and if everyone else did the same, they’d have a better chance then wouldn’t they?

I agree with what your saying 100%, it’s just that were just turning the corner at the moment IMO.

At least there taking the money off the ■■■■■ who can’t be arsed to work (at last and hopefully they will go further), I have no problem with benefits for people who need them.
I do have a massive problem with people who see it as a way of life! It makes me feel sick to see £160-£180 in deductions every week to pay for ■■■■■ who don’t want to work.

I know tons of people on the social and I tell everyone of them they should be ashamed, but they don’t care!
My mum (who apparently has suffered with depression for years), amy step dad (who is blind), my step farther in law (who broke his back on a building site), my mother in-law is his career (she could work, he could manage on his own for 8 hours a day), my sister in-law is 18, dropped out of college, up the duff and her boyfriend doesn’t work so she will be another. My missus Auntie is on the social because she’s a single parent yet her youngest kid is about 11!
The worst thing is they all think it’s ok because ■■■■■■■ Labour chucked money around like it was water, I hope to God those freeloading ■■■■■ don’t get back in again, which is why I have to vote blue.

Everyone wants something for nothing. I don’t crave fame, riches and possessions, all I want, is to do a days work for a decent wage and live a normal life, I want to earn the money for nice things, not expect them as a right.

The way I see it as soon as labour get back in the social bill will rise again.

NewLad:
I agree with what your saying 100%, it’s just that were just turning the corner at the moment IMO.

At least there taking the money off the [zb] who can’t be arsed to work (at last and hopefully they will go further), I have no problem with benefits for people who need them.
I do have a massive problem with people who see it as a way of life! It makes me feel sick to see £160-£180 in deductions every week to pay for [zb] who don’t want to work.

I know tons of people on the social and I tell everyone of them they should be ashamed, but they don’t care!
My mum (who apparently has suffered with depression for years), amy step dad (who is blind), my step farther in law (who broke his back on a building site), my mother in-law is his career (she could work, he could manage on his own for 8 hours a day), my sister in-law is 18, dropped out of college, up the duff and her boyfriend doesn’t work so she will be another. My missus Auntie is on the social because she’s a single parent yet her youngest kid is about 11!
The worst thing is they all think it’s ok because [zb] Labour chucked money around like it was water, I hope to God those freeloading [zb] don’t get back in again, which is why I have to vote blue.

Everyone wants something for nothing. I don’t crave fame, riches and possessions, all I want, is to do a days work for a decent wage and live a normal life, I want to earn the money for nice things, not expect them as a right.

The way I see it as soon as labour get back in the social bill will rise again.

That bs sounds as socialist as socialism gets.
In your view the blind should be made to find a job,a broken back means tough you’re on your own,and there’s no unemployment benefits of any type,either private because the employers wouldn’t want to pay the wages,or the national insurance system.

In a proper civilised modern industrialised society it’s a good thing for women to have their kids at 18 not with IVF when they’re 30-40 and stay at home to raise them.But the reason why young fathers can’t support them is because too many jobs have been given to the communists in China to take advantage of cheaper labour by the so called ‘Conservatives’.

You could actually find the type of society that you’re looking for in today’s America and I’d bet you’d want to be on the first plane home within a year being that your idea of a civilised society is obviously socialism,in the form of national insurance benefits when it suits you,in the case of those who you decide ‘needs them’,but not those who you don’t.

Whereas a real ‘Conservative’ policy would actually mean abolishing all social provision including the NHS then returning everyone’s taxes and National Insurance contributions to date and income increases,so that they can make their own private provision for decent civilised social costs provision.None of which will work in an economy that’s based on cheap labour just like any other tin pot commy zb hole. :imp:

Six strangers are marooned on a desert island . Turns out to be two Scots ,two Welsh and two Englishmen . Immediately the two Scotsmen strike up a conversation and decide to set up the Caledonian Desert Island Survival Club . Seeing this the Welshmen decide to set up the Welsh Desert Island Survival and Singing Society . The two Englishmen walked away ,never speaking to each other again and went to live on the opposite side of the island … Why ? Because they were not properly introduced . Ignorance and arrogance the English way …Plop…

Carryfast:

NewLad:
I agree with what your saying 100%, it’s just that were just turning the corner at the moment IMO.

At least there taking the money off the [zb] who can’t be arsed to work (at last and hopefully they will go further), I have no problem with benefits for people who need them.
I do have a massive problem with people who see it as a way of life! It makes me feel sick to see £160-£180 in deductions every week to pay for [zb] who don’t want to work.

I know tons of people on the social and I tell everyone of them they should be ashamed, but they don’t care!
My mum (who apparently has suffered with depression for years), amy step dad (who is blind), my step farther in law (who broke his back on a building site), my mother in-law is his career (she could work, he could manage on his own for 8 hours a day), my sister in-law is 18, dropped out of college, up the duff and her boyfriend doesn’t work so she will be another. My missus Auntie is on the social because she’s a single parent yet her youngest kid is about 11!
The worst thing is they all think it’s ok because [zb] Labour chucked money around like it was water, I hope to God those freeloading [zb] don’t get back in again, which is why I have to vote blue.

Everyone wants something for nothing. I don’t crave fame, riches and possessions, all I want, is to do a days work for a decent wage and live a normal life, I want to earn the money for nice things, not expect them as a right.

The way I see it as soon as labour get back in the social bill will rise again.

That bs sounds as socialist as socialism gets.
In your view the blind should be made to find a job,a broken back means tough you’re on your own,and there’s no unemployment benefits of any type,either private because the employers wouldn’t want to pay the wages,or the national insurance system.

In a proper civilised modern industrialised society it’s a good thing for women to have their kids at 18 not with IVF when they’re 30-40 and stay at home to raise them.But the reason why young fathers can’t support them is because too many jobs have been given to the communists in China to take advantage of cheaper labour by the so called ‘Conservatives’.

You could actually find the type of society that you’re looking for in today’s America and I’d bet you’d want to be on the first plane home within a year being that your idea of a civilised society is obviously socialism,in the form of national insurance benefits when it suits you,in the case of those who you decide ‘needs them’,but not those who you don’t.

Whereas a real ‘Conservative’ policy would actually mean abolishing all social provision including the NHS then returning everyone’s taxes and National Insurance contributions to date and income increases,so that they can make their own private provision for decent civilised social costs provision.None of which will work in an economy that’s based on cheap labour just like any other tin pot commy zb hole. :imp:

I didn’t intend to imply that a blind person or someone with a broken back could work and shouldn’t be entitled to social benefits, what my point I was trying to get across was, my mother in-law moans like billio about money, but won’t look for work, my sister in-law has only been with her boyfriend for 4 months, came off contraceptive to get pregnant to get a “free house and not have to work” (her words) she want a Silver Cross Pram @£600, just to let you know me you and every other hard working person is buying it! My own mother lays it on thick to the doctors to keep getting signed off, my missus’ Auntie, “can’t work, because I need to be home when ***** finishes school”, yet he has 2 older brothers living at home quite capable of looking after him.

The country is a joke and the sooner people stop thinking their ENTITLED to nice things without working for them the better.

EDIT- They also have the cheek to moan about the amount of foreigners in Spalding, yet most foreigners around here are working, in the farms, pack houses, driving, warehouses and cold stores paying for THEIR benefits. What a ■■■■■■■ joke that is!

NewLad:

Carryfast:

NewLad:
I agree with what your saying 100%, it’s just that were just turning the corner at the moment IMO.

At least there taking the money off the [zb] who can’t be arsed to work (at last and hopefully they will go further), I have no problem with benefits for people who need them.
I do have a massive problem with people who see it as a way of life! It makes me feel sick to see £160-£180 in deductions every week to pay for [zb] who don’t want to work.

I know tons of people on the social and I tell everyone of them they should be ashamed, but they don’t care!
My mum (who apparently has suffered with depression for years), amy step dad (who is blind), my step farther in law (who broke his back on a building site), my mother in-law is his career (she could work, he could manage on his own for 8 hours a day), my sister in-law is 18, dropped out of college, up the duff and her boyfriend doesn’t work so she will be another. My missus Auntie is on the social because she’s a single parent yet her youngest kid is about 11!
The worst thing is they all think it’s ok because [zb] Labour chucked money around like it was water, I hope to God those freeloading [zb] don’t get back in again, which is why I have to vote blue.

Everyone wants something for nothing. I don’t crave fame, riches and possessions, all I want, is to do a days work for a decent wage and live a normal life, I want to earn the money for nice things, not expect them as a right.

The way I see it as soon as labour get back in the social bill will rise again.

That bs sounds as socialist as socialism gets.
In your view the blind should be made to find a job,a broken back means tough you’re on your own,and there’s no unemployment benefits of any type,either private because the employers wouldn’t want to pay the wages,or the national insurance system.

In a proper civilised modern industrialised society it’s a good thing for women to have their kids at 18 not with IVF when they’re 30-40 and stay at home to raise them.But the reason why young fathers can’t support them is because too many jobs have been given to the communists in China to take advantage of cheaper labour by the so called ‘Conservatives’.

You could actually find the type of society that you’re looking for in today’s America and I’d bet you’d want to be on the first plane home within a year being that your idea of a civilised society is obviously socialism,in the form of national insurance benefits when it suits you,in the case of those who you decide ‘needs them’,but not those who you don’t.

Whereas a real ‘Conservative’ policy would actually mean abolishing all social provision including the NHS then returning everyone’s taxes and National Insurance contributions to date and income increases,so that they can make their own private provision for decent civilised social costs provision.None of which will work in an economy that’s based on cheap labour just like any other tin pot commy zb hole. :imp:

I didn’t intend to imply that a blind person or someone with a broken back could work and shouldn’t be entitled to social benefits, what my point I was trying to get across was, my mother in-law moans like billio about money, but won’t look for work, my sister in-law has only been with her boyfriend for 4 months, came off contraceptive to get pregnant to get a “free house and not have to work” (her words) she want a Silver Cross Pram @£600, just to let you know me you and every other hard working person is buying it! My own mother lays it on thick to the doctors to keep getting signed off, my missus’ Auntie, “can’t work, because I need to be home when ***** finishes school”, yet he has 2 older brothers living at home quite capable of looking after him.

The country is a joke and the sooner people stop thinking their ENTITLED to nice things without working for them the better.

EDIT- They also have the cheek to moan about the amount of foreigners in Spalding, yet most foreigners around here are working, in the farms, pack houses, driving, warehouses and cold stores paying for THEIR benefits. What a [zb] joke that is!

There’s another way of looking at the argument in that ( in a real Conservative society ) the broken back scenario would/should have been covered by either the employer’s and/or the employee’s own sickness/accident provision.‘Provision’ in this case would mean sufficient to pay for all/any health care costs and the lost income to support the household including the wife without her having to go out to work.No surprise that in your world it’s all about subsidising low wage employment with zb non existent social security cover and expecting women to not only raise the next generation but also go out to work to earn enough to cover the household outgoings let alone support a husband with a broken back.Which of course ‘should’ all have been covered by the husband’s wage and health cover alone in a civilised real ‘Conservative’ run society.In just the same way that young mothers shouldn’t be forced into the workplace when they should be at home raising their kids while their husbands ‘should’ be able to find a job which pays enough to keep themselves and their family.

No surprise that your idea of a so called ‘Conservative’ run system means low wage employment which doesn’t pay enough to cover the true costs of living.All subsidised by a rationed socialist type social security system that isn’t worth the paper it’s written on and is only available to those who you decide’s face fits.While giving what jobs we do have to East Europeans who’s expectations are rooted in their socialist/commy past.As I said your ideas are about as socialist as socialist gets certainly not,what should be,a modern,civilised Conservative/Capitalist run society. :unamused:

merc0447:

Tipper Tom:
A county with mass unemployment. Mass obesity, huge drug problems and next to no revenue streams

Funny thing is you could write the exact same statement about England :smiley:

Firstly England isn’t a jumped up county. It’s a country in it’s own right.

Secondly, England has no revenue streams? Are you drunk? If we had no revenue we’d have no facilities, no NHS, no Armed Forces, No hope, much like Scotland, should it be granted independence.

Scottish independence is a pipe dream of some poorly educated, largely over weight, work-shy bloody fools. Alex Salmond could barely run a bath never mind a country.

It does not make any difference if Scotland goes in dependant or not the ordinary guy will still end up getting screwed.

will you send us back our goalposts and cross bar please before you close the border. :wink:

I see tipper tom is putting on his doc martins,tshirt with braces and getting his st geoerges hung out the window

Tipper Tom:

merc0447:

Tipper Tom:
A county with mass unemployment. Mass obesity, huge drug problems and next to no revenue streams

Funny thing is you could write the exact same statement about England :smiley:

Firstly England isn’t a jumped up county. It’s a country in it’s own right.

Secondly, England has no revenue streams? Are you drunk? If we had no revenue we’d have no facilities, no NHS, no Armed Forces, No hope, much like Scotland, should it be granted independence.

Scottish independence is a pipe dream of some poorly educated, largely over weight, work-shy bloody fools. Alex Salmond could barely run a bath never mind a country.

Per head the NHS is as much scotlands as it is englands, the armed forces is as much scotlands as it is englands. These are all funded by taxpayers not business revenue streams.

In 2012 Scotland generated 9.9% of UK tax and received 9.3% of UK spending, am not great at maths but that puts scotland in the green.

There has been more tax generated per person in Scotland than the UK in every single year in the past 32 years.

Those are not lies those are statistical facts. If you take off your tinted spectacles and look further than your nose and stop paying attention to what you read in the sun you might learn something.

Am in the vote no camp btw but am open minded unlike some :unamused:

And your point on drugs and weight issues is just ridiculous take a walk round whatever [zb]hole you live in and you will see its 50-50 on that one :smiley:

How is the NHS as much Scotland’s?

If everything is tax funded surely the tax has to be collected from people with jobs or businesses.

Personally I’d like to see Scotland gain independence so that when they make a complete dogs arse of it perhaps they’ll shut up about it once and for all.

What are Scotland going to use as a currency?

If half the armed forces are Scottish (They’re not) will all the Scottish troops PVR and the join the Scottish Army. You know the one with no equipment, no weapons, no hope?

How much do you think it would cost to start an Army?

Will Scotland be buying all the hospitals, schools etc off the British government or are they expecting a MASSIVE handout on them? I’m fairly sure you can’t buy a hospital from Brighthouse.

Do you really believe that 0.9% of tax generated is going to pay for everything Scotland relies on England for?

I don’t read the Sun. I am basing my views on the time I’ve spent in Scotland Believe nothing of what you hear or read and half of what you see.

Once again it’s Scotland getting above itself.

It’s far from ridiculous to suggest Scotland has a huge issue with obesity and drugs.

I just can’t see Scotland making anything but an enormous ■■■■ of being a country.

Tipper Tom:

merc0447:

Tipper Tom:
A county with mass unemployment. Mass obesity, huge drug problems and next to no revenue streams

Funny thing is you could write the exact same statement about England :smiley:

Firstly England isn’t a jumped up county. It’s a country in it’s own right.

Secondly, England has no revenue streams? Are you drunk? If we had no revenue we’d have no facilities, no NHS, no Armed Forces, No hope, much like Scotland, should it be granted independence.

Scottish independence is a pipe dream of some poorly educated, largely over weight, work-shy bloody fools. Alex Salmond could barely run a bath never mind a country.

Ah! The educated have spoken - good to know the world is in safe hands :wink:

nearly there:
I see tipper tom is putting on his doc martins,tshirt with braces and getting his st geoerges hung out the window

I’m no dyed in the wool patriot but I just think Scotland’s fight for independence is just mental