stevieboy308:
Wheel Nut:
If someone told me he was running bent. I would put him in the billy bullzb file. You don’t tell anyone what you do or how you do it…In theory yes, but the flaw in your logic is crediting every other driver with your level of nouse, some drivers are thick as [zb]
Agree with this…just read a few posts on here for evidence… 
why do people assume all that comes from “Brussels”
is of foreign origin
it is possible that some of it could have
originated from British MEPs
yes indeed, how many of us have any idea what our MEP’s propose and vote for or against.
How can anyone support a set of regulations that would prosecute a driver who stops for his ‘45’ & jumps straight into his bunk sleeps for 40 minutes, gets up & pours a coffee from his flask, drinks it & drives off into the VOSA boys further down the MSA & gets nicked for only ‘parking up’ for 43 minutes.
When; another driver could stop, get his mountain bike off the catwalk & pedal like mad up & down a mountain for 45 min’s, strap his bike back on & set off into the same VOSA checkpoint & be on his way as his tacho shows 47 mins break!!!
Who has had the most restfull break, & who is the safer driver to continue his journey??
Truth is, either could be ready to drive into the back of a parked car 20 miles down the road, it’s the same with the 9hr daily rest in the yard, you might live 2 miles away or 20!! I personally (in the late 90’s) have loaded in Valencia, run to Bordeaux, had a shower & 4 or five hours sleep then got off to Dieppe. I was an owner driver back then & I have never needed more than 5 or 6 hrs a night sleep, I NEVER drive when I’m tired, nothing would have made me drive when I was to fatigued to continue.
At the end of the day, what makes one driver too tired and dangerous to drive is not in any way dangerous to another & the law doesn’t seek to make things safe, just to ‘draw a line’ beyond which they can fine you thousands of pounds for crossing!! Unless that is there’s rumour of a tanker drivers strike, or a Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis scare, (remember BSE) then we can drive all the hours 'god sends!!!. Cos it’s obviously safe to do so then??
Ross.
hitch:
‘…why do people assume all that comes from “Brussels” is of foreign origin it is possible that some of it could have originated from British MEPs…’
Yeah, Nigel Farage rocks 
Personally no and agree with alot of the comments
Use to be able to get on a bit years back and would rather drive to tired go to bead than like now
out time at say 4pm cant sleep til 9pm on road at 1am again
Half the probs with rdc gossip is someone giving the big one and full of bs
Know a freind had vosa in couple years ago as they received a tip off about drive x
went through everything tachos 100 pcent he was local driver did no more than 6 hours drive a day
and never more than 10/12 hours aday but turned out to be giving the big one to other drivers that he been here there and everywhere
That was resolved but 3 other drivers were done for going
1 accounts of 93 hours in fornight both counts to get home on a friday then full weekend off now who would park 3 hours from home until midnight sunday night was he really running bent no baring in mind said driver been away 3 weeks
other 2 done for 3 offences each of over 90 hours (92 &94) over 4.5 hours and 5 mins short on a 9 off
Other 15 drivers fine
now was that worth grassing aand causing all the grief all because of one drivers bs in a rdc
I carnt abide with grassers or snitches. 
For all you know he maybe in debt upto his eyeballs with kids n a house to pay for and doing those hours is the only way he can get the bills paid.
Or This company maybe the only 1 that would take him on matbe too many penalty points etc…
like other,s ave said not my Buisness. dont concern ya self with other peoples troubles just gives you a head ache or at worst a broken nose 
For all you know he maybe in debt upto his eyeballs with kids n a house to pay for and doing those hours is the only way he can get the bills paid.
probably applies to 50% of house burglars too, and we wouldn’t want to grass them up either…or would we?
I think grassin a House Burglar is bit out of context with a bloke driving over his hours. bit of a stupid comment really.
del949:
For all you know he maybe in debt upto his eyeballs with kids n a house to pay for and doing those hours is the only way he can get the bills paid.
probably applies to 50% of house burglars too, and we wouldn’t want to grass them up either…or would we?
del949:
For all you know he maybe in debt upto his eyeballs with kids n a house to pay for and doing those hours is the only way he can get the bills paid.
probably applies to 50% of house burglars too, and we wouldn’t want to grass them up either…or would we?
Clearly on your planet ‘del949’ there’s some kind of link between working ‘a little too hard’ as a truck driver & breaking into peoples houses & stealing their belongings, (I wonder what a burglar puts on his mortgage application as occupation?) but if that’s what helps you sleep at night having grassed some poor driver who’s doing a couple of hrs too many, grass on dipstick.
Ross.
bigr250:
How can anyone support a set of regulations that would prosecute a driver who stops for his ‘45’ & jumps straight into his bunk sleeps for 40 minutes, gets up & pours a coffee from his flask, drinks it & drives off into the VOSA boys further down the MSA & gets nicked for only ‘parking up’ for 43 minutes.When; another driver could stop, get his mountain bike off the catwalk & pedal like mad up & down a mountain for 45 min’s, strap his bike back on & set off into the same VOSA checkpoint & be on his way as his tacho shows 47 mins break!!!
Who has had the most restfull break, & who is the safer driver to continue his journey??
Truth is, either could be ready to drive into the back of a parked car 20 miles down the road, it’s the same with the 9hr daily rest in the yard, you might live 2 miles away or 20!! I personally (in the late 90’s) have loaded in Valencia, run to Bordeaux, had a shower & 4 or five hours sleep then got off to Dieppe. I was an owner driver back then & I have never needed more than 5 or 6 hrs a night sleep, I NEVER drive when I’m tired, nothing would have made me drive when I was to fatigued to continue.
At the end of the day, what makes one driver too tired and dangerous to drive is not in any way dangerous to another & the law doesn’t seek to make things safe, just to ‘draw a line’ beyond which they can fine you thousands of pounds for crossing!! Unless that is there’s rumour of a tanker drivers strike, or a Bovine Spongiform Encephalitis scare, (remember BSE) then we can drive all the hours 'god sends!!!. Cos it’s obviously safe to do so then??
Ross.
but you surely can see that there needs to be a line, can’t you? just as much as the line makers know that which ever side of the line someone is, doesn’t mean that they a safe to drive or not safe to drive, but they know there needs to be a line. if someone takes a 43 minute break, they should know they have and it’s up to them not to be in the clear by sitting there for another couple of minutes
limeyphil:
i remember something i wrote on here some years ago. it was then printed in truck and driver.is it so bad if someone has been away from home for a few weeks, he arrives in dover but has to park up soon after for 45 hours. does he bend the rules to go home? or does he sit there, then set off 45 hours later, only to have to turn round and be away for a few weeks more?
Unfortunetely those with the biggest mouthes and loudest voices in this country are the ever increasing jobsworths you speak of who pander to every single piece of regulation and legislation they can to do as little work as they can while trying to tell everyone how professional they are and how they’re worth £50 p/h because they have a cpc card, a new vis-vest and some shiney never used steel toe capped boots.
Anyone in their right mind would want to just drive home from Dover rather than have a 45 hour break. Unfortunetely the above mentioned people have never, and will never be in that situation so they preach from a position of total safety from the realities that face those that do live in the real world.
Clearly on your planet ‘del949’ there’s some kind of link between working ‘a little too hard’ as a truck driver & breaking into peoples houses & stealing their belongings,
not at all. I was merely pointing out that a law is a law.
you can’t simply decide which laws you want to obey and which you don’t.
I am sure a burglar could make a good case for thieving from the rich as they can afford to lose something and it won’t hurt them.
limeyphil:
i remember something i wrote on here some years ago. it was then printed in truck and driver.is it so bad if someone has been away from home for a few weeks, he arrives in dover but has to park up soon after for 45 hours. does he bend the rules to go home? or does he sit there, then set off 45 hours later, only to have to turn round and be away for a few weeks more?
how far from dover is home?
stevieboy308:
but you surely can see that there needs to be a line, can’t you? just as much as the line makers know that which ever side of the line someone is, doesn’t mean that they a safe to drive or not safe to drive, but they know there needs to be a line. if someone takes a 43 minute break, they should know they have and it’s up to them not to be in the clear by sitting there for another couple of minutes
I fully understand this and I’m not advocating running wild, it’s just that VOSA will use the full weight of the law to punnish the ‘2 minute transgressors’ and have a court believe that it’s a monsterous threat to the safety of other road users, when we all know that it just isn’t.
Ross.
del949:
Clearly on your planet ‘del949’ there’s some kind of link between working ‘a little too hard’ as a truck driver & breaking into peoples houses & stealing their belongings,
not at all. I was merely pointing out that a law is a law.
you can’t simply decide which laws you want to obey and which you don’t.
I am sure a burglar could make a good case for thieving from the rich as they can afford to lose something and it won’t hurt them.
I’m sorry but it’s ‘lilly livered Liberal’ attiudes like yours that have grown into this ‘health & safety’ first brigade, we all choose daily which laws we’re going to break & which we won’t, the example was made earlier in the thread about choosing to do over 40mph on a wide open none dual carriageway road!! I’ve jumped the odd red light when I got my timing wrong on the approach & it’s gone red earlier than expected, but however hard up I get I wouldn’t break into someones house & steal their telly justifying it by the fact that “he’s got more than me”!!!
The FACT is, we’re discussing traffic law here, & your comparing someone who readilly breaks it with a person who breaks CRIMINAL law, this is a ‘quantum leap’ by any standards & it’s simply wrong to compare the two.
Ross.
del yes the law is the law.
but theres a differance between a bloke driving a few hours over for what ever personal reasons, than sum scrotte bag breakin into ya house n nickin ya hard earned plasma.
Come on be real… like i said its nawt to do wiv me … it dont affect me… why give ya self a head ache over something thats not your problem,
At the end of the day we all ave famileys maybe he,s too PROUD to sign on the dole.
We Have this in my regiment we call it " wife net" faster than virgin media.
ill keep me self 2 me self .if the blokes feedin his kids not subbin of the state FAIR PLAY.
of course I agree that there is a massive difference between the two circumstance, I was only trying to show , that when someone says “I carnt abide with grassers or snitches.”, that different circs call for different actions even though the principle of the law remains the same.
The statement quoted seems to me to be saying that grassers and snitches are wrong in all circumstances, when clearly sometimes to grass someone up is the right thing to do.
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stevieboy308:
limeyphil:
i remember something i wrote on here some years ago. it was then printed in truck and driver.is it so bad if someone has been away from home for a few weeks, he arrives in dover but has to park up soon after for 45 hours. does he bend the rules to go home? or does he sit there, then set off 45 hours later, only to have to turn round and be away for a few weeks more?
how far from dover is home?
Six hours. I know that sounds a lot, But i could legally get in a car and drive back.