You’re all going to be replaced by a computer anyway, so the whole thing is purely academic.
desypete:
seriously if your away from home then 9 hours is more than enough rest but it also should be optional, so that a boss could not force you back on the road after 9 hours if your knackered, it would be down to the driver to have either 9 or 11 rest but all your tacho need show is 9 hours rest each day.driving time should be at least 10 hours each day but you would need 2 breaks do to 10 hours
the working day should stay the same 15 hours max
So, to sum up; pretty much as they are now then?
Kerragy:
Conor:
I’m for GB Domestic regs but with an added weekly rest period as well. Sod this working over 60hrs a week.You do know what GB Domestic rules are?
Ding ding, here comes the Cluemobile: gov.uk/drivers-hours/gb-domestic-rules
Yes I do know what they are, I’m not thick and don’t need a nob like you to tell me I need a cluemobile you prick. Like I said GB domestic rules with a weekly rest.
Conor:
Kerragy:
Conor:
I’m for GB Domestic regs but with an added weekly rest period as well. Sod this working over 60hrs a week.You do know what GB Domestic rules are?
Ding ding, here comes the Cluemobile: gov.uk/drivers-hours/gb-domestic-rules
Yes I do know what they are, I’m not thick and don’t need a nob like you to tell me I need a cluemobile you prick. Like I said GB domestic rules with a weekly rest.
I am very sorry for suggesting you required the Cluemobile, it was rather rude.
Out of interest, how would anyone legally work over 60 hours per week currently?
Correct spelling is knob. 
just sayin’ like
Driving regs that enforce a maximum working week - rather than a maximum DRIVING week.
Who wants to work 84 hours and only get paid for 48?
We’d rather have a full wage for a MAXIMUM of 48 hours per week AT WORK… If getting stuck in traffic or pulling 12-15 hour shifts means that “all those hours are used up by Wednesday” - then so be it.
3x15 hours or 4x12 hour shifts for a full week’s wage seems perfectly reasonable to me…
We’d have to get shot of the “can’t work more than 10 hours at night” rule though - or it wouldn’t be possible to get night trunkers onto that shift pattern we surely always wanted?
Less round commutes to work each week - would also reduce the money wasted per week on those longer commutes for drivers that live out in the sticks too… 
desypete:
seriously if your away from home then 9 hours is more than enough rest but it also should be optional, so that a boss could not force you back on the road after 9 hours if your knackered, it would be down to the driver to have either 9 or 11 rest but all your tacho need show is 9 hours rest each day.the working day should stay the same 15 hours max so that people can earn a good screw rather than have a reduction just because some drivers have wifes that work so they dont need the extra hours…
A boss can not ‘force’ a driver to drive when tired as it is.
As for 9 hours off, that’s ok if you are in work sleep work sleep mode, but as I keep saying on here it’s a job not a ■■■■ endurance test.
I also explained why we do, and are expected to, work excessive hours in my last post, so again as said, ■■■■ 15 hour days, and get a realistic wage structure sorted instead so we do not have to.
As long as drivers are willing to put in 15 hours for what equates to 10 to 12 hours pay in real terms, nothing will change.
Who the ■■■■ want’s to work 15 hours,why cant we just do the same as normal working people mon to fri 40 hrs anything after is overtime ,it would put a stop to leaving drivers sat in rdc’s for hours . 
comet:
Who the [zb] want’s to work 15 hours,why cant we just do the same as normal working people mon to fri 40 hrs anything after is overtime ,it would put a stop to leaving drivers sat in rdc’s for hours .
Who wants to work 5 or 6 day weeks? I prefer to do my 35/40 hours in 3 shifts an have a 4 day weekend
m_attt:
comet:
Who the [zb] want’s to work 15 hours,why cant we just do the same as normal working people mon to fri 40 hrs anything after is overtime ,it would put a stop to leaving drivers sat in rdc’s for hours .Who wants to work 5 or 6 day weeks? I prefer to do my 35/40 hours in 3 shifts an have a 4 day weekend
Ok what haulage firms would let you do this,none that i know of,plus paying a decent rate .
Me.
I love trucking, more hours the better.
No more job offers please, im still wading through the last lot. Oh and the one requesting meeting at 12am at a dogging hotspot for an assesment drive is very suspicious but im tempted with the offer of a V8 throbber so will be there around 11.30.
comet:
m_attt:
comet:
Who the [zb] want’s to work 15 hours,why cant we just do the same as normal working people mon to fri 40 hrs anything after is overtime ,it would put a stop to leaving drivers sat in rdc’s for hours .Who wants to work 5 or 6 day weeks? I prefer to do my 35/40 hours in 3 shifts an have a 4 day weekend
Ok what haulage firms would let you do this,none that i know of,plus paying a decent rate .
Ive been doing the last year. Plus taking home a decent wage. So yes its possible.
I like it when people say the EU regulations are too complicated so lets return to domestic regulations.
If we returned to domestic regulations the 1986 modification order would almost certainly be scrapped, with that in mind read the regulations then come back and tell us how much easier they are to understand
Domestic regulations before the 1986 modification order was introduced
Easy 13 hour day max 11 hours off every nite no poa , and no 90 hour fort nite simple
tattoo5984:
Easy 13 hour day max 11 hours off every nite no poa , and no 90 hour fort nite simple
Are you sure about that ?
As far as the original question is concerned I think we’ll adopt the AETR regulations, so apart from the name nothing is likely to change in respect of drivers hours 
edit: For anyone who doesn’t know, the 1986 modification order is the regulation that did away with breaks ec’t for goods vehicle drivers on domestic regulations.
tachograph:
tattoo5984:
Easy 13 hour day max 11 hours off every nite no poa , and no 90 hour fort nite simpleAre you sure about that ?
As far as the original question is concerned I think we’ll adopt the AETR regulations, so apart from the name nothing is likely to change in respect of drivers hours
edit: For anyone who doesn’t know, the 1986 modification order is the regulation that did away with breaks ec’t for goods vehicle drivers on domestic regulations.
To be fair who said we have to use any pre existing domestic regs rather than an updated simplified cherry picked version that’s fit for purpose.Unlike EU regs can ever be.As for the domestic break regime.The guvnor moaning about log books and wanting us to use tachos on the council,certainly wasn’t for our benefit regards break time regardless of the pre 1986 regs. 
Kerragy:
As they are but add the old split rest rule of 4 hours off / 8 hour overnight rest as another option.
this only went out in April 2007 
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robroy:
A system built around 12 and three quarter hour spreadover 11 and a quarter off. With a bit of flexible overtime for running back in if necssary at weekend. Cant be arsed to work any other intricate details in this as it’s pointless anyway.
Say wtf you like but a 60 hour working week is enough for anybody …end of, and if you work for a good firm (unlike me) who pay you through your break, then that is a bonus.
Let them shove their 15 on 9 off up their arses, drivers should wake up and see that excessive hours in comparison to other industries, are only worked to try and make a decent bottom line figure out of a ■■■■ poor wage structure, eg.time and a quid after 50 hours and that kind of ‘all on their side’’ type ■■■■■■■■.
Don’t come back with ‘nature of the job’ and all that crap, as the answer is it is only so because it has been set up that way… and need not be.
Firms can afford to pay parasitic agencies a decent rate per hour, so they could afford to pay full timers the same in this 60 hour max system.
drivers should be allowed to work a 15 hour every day should they wish and be paid by the hour. simple what part of if they wish dont you understand ? it means if you dont wish to you dont have to, but those that need the money can
overtime was always paid after 8 hours and it really did mean a huge boost to pay packets back then, but then drivers started doing flat pay working trying to get home early but being paid set hours with anything over not being paid for as it was seen as swings and roundabouts hence the term morons springs to mind that drivers will be happy to working long hours in the hope they might get an early finish one day to make up for all the unpaid hours
one thing is for certain is that while morons get a cpc card and turn up for work for the peanuts they get then nothing will ever change
drivers themselves will have to bring about the changes and none of the current crop have any bottle for it, they all have big mouths that moan like old women but ask them to do something about the situation and they act like scarred rabbits in headlights
or play the big trucker on forums but really no different than the rest who went and got there card so there boss can carry on earning decent money for himself, but you go even further and try to tell the drivers who might need the money that they should not be allowed to work 15 hours just because you dont want to or you dont need the money
so with respect shove your own 12 hours up your own crack
let drivers be free to work how ever many hours they might need to help them bring the money in, they dont all have rich mums or dads or have a partner that brings in money to help pay the bills
m_attt:
comet:
Who the [zb] want’s to work 15 hours,why cant we just do the same as normal working people mon to fri 40 hrs anything after is overtime ,it would put a stop to leaving drivers sat in rdc’s for hours .Who wants to work 5 or 6 day weeks? I prefer to do my 35/40 hours in 3 shifts an have a 4 day weekend
how do you earn enough to pay all the bills on a wage that would be like yours ? unless of course you have a rich mum and dad and live at home or a wife that brings in money ? just think everyone is different and in a different position in life the fact is you are never going to earn a decent wage just doing 40 hours a week driving, lets be generous and say for 40 hours the top line would be £400 a week take deduction out your down to £ 310 then living costs rent / mortage, gas, electric, water, food, car expenses clothes if you have kids and a wife to feed and cloth just how much would there be left over if anything ?
so there is no way these days a driver can go to work for 40 hours a week and bring up a family just on a 40 hour wage unless of course they can claim these new tax thingys that help top up a wage should they need it but i think there is a limit on the wages and my guess would be that 400 quid would be considered to much money for any sort of help
so there is only one way open to anyone in this position and its to work long long hours to bring in a bit more sad it might be but its a harsh reality for some
desypete:
robroy:
A system built around 12 and three quarter hour spreadover 11 and a quarter off. With a bit of flexible overtime for running back in if necssary at weekend. Cant be arsed to work any other intricate details in this as it’s pointless anyway.
Say wtf you like but a 60 hour working week is enough for anybody …end of, and if you work for a good firm (unlike me) who pay you through your break, then that is a bonus.
Let them shove their 15 on 9 off up their arses, drivers should wake up and see that excessive hours in comparison to other industries, are only worked to try and make a decent bottom line figure out of a ■■■■ poor wage structure, eg.time and a quid after 50 hours and that kind of ‘all on their side’’ type ■■■■■■■■.
Don’t come back with ‘nature of the job’ and all that crap, as the answer is it is only so because it has been set up that way… and need not be.
Firms can afford to pay parasitic agencies a decent rate per hour, so they could afford to pay full timers the same in this 60 hour max system.drivers should be allowed to work a 15 hour every day should they wish and be paid by the hour. simple what part of if they wish dont you understand ? it means if you dont wish to you dont have to, but those that need the money can
overtime was always paid after 8 hours and it really did mean a huge boost to pay packets back then, but then drivers started doing flat pay working trying to get home early but being paid set hours with anything over not being paid for as it was seen as swings and roundabouts hence the term morons springs to mind that drivers will be happy to working long hours in the hope they might get an early finish one day to make up for all the unpaid hours
one thing is for certain is that while morons get a cpc card and turn up for work for the peanuts they get then nothing will ever change
drivers themselves will have to bring about the changes and none of the current crop have any bottle for it, they all have big mouths that moan like old women but ask them to do something about the situation and they act like scarred rabbits in headlights
or play the big trucker on forums but really no different than the rest who went and got there card so there boss can carry on earning decent money for himself, but you go even further and try to tell the drivers who might need the money that they should not be allowed to work 15 hours just because you dont want to or you dont need the moneyso with respect shove your own 12 hours up your own crack
let drivers be free to work how ever many hours they might need to help them bring the money in, they dont all have rich mums or dads or have a partner that brings in money to help pay the bills
If there was a decent wage structure 8hr/40hr + time •5 (which you yourself illustrated ffs 
) there would be no NEED to do 15 hour days, would there…which bit of that do you not understand.
Not the ■■■■ moron/dcpc ■■■■■■■■ and how you made a stand AGAIN Pete, surely
Why don’t you shove that up your crack as well Pete, we are all bored ■■■■ less listening to it ffs…give it a rest we all get it ,… you are out of work because of your one man crusade, and doing your bitter and twisted Father Jack routine again.
Pete on his rants.