Never too old to learn something 
thanks, I had understood it would not be counted as break in UK, been reading the forum too long 
war1974:
Still stand by my 1st comment your thick or a troll, if you dont know or would rather look like a ā ā ā ā ā ā by coming onto a āprofessionalā drivers forum to ask thick questions when you could do a simple google search (like so many other so called drivers on here) then dont expect anything else.too many drivers like you are why we have the dcpc now, too many who cant be arsed to learn the laws they work to.
this site amazes me how many ādriversā know jack [zb] about their job even with the dcpc, no wonder they bought it in
And yet when there is a query on hours for some help like thisā¦
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=118953#p1838607
You apparently have no input. Not so easy to call anyone thick when you donāt know the answers yourself eh ?
Roymondo:
Even in UK, the first 45 minutes of POA is counted as Break, simply because if you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle you can (legally) record break even though the tachograph will only let you record POA.
Are you sure about that? (Except if double manned).
Driveroneuk:
Roymondo:
Even in UK, the first 45 minutes of POA is counted as Break, simply because if you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle you can (legally) record break even though the tachograph will only let you record POA.Are you sure about that? (Except if double manned).
Slot 2 on the tacho will only record POA and not break if the vehice is moving.
Driveroneuk:
Roymondo:
Even in UK, the first 45 minutes of POA is counted as Break, simply because if you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle you can (legally) record break even though the tachograph will only let you record POA.Are you sure about that? (Except if double manned).
The first 45 minutes of POA are regarded as break when on a multi-manned journey, on a single manned journey if you park up and put the tachograph on POA it is not regarded as break.
tachograph:
Driveroneuk:
Roymondo:
Even in UK, the first 45 minutes of POA is counted as Break, simply because if you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle you can (legally) record break even though the tachograph will only let you record POA.Are you sure about that? (Except if double manned).
The first 45 minutes of POA are regarded as break when on a multi-manned journey, on a single manned journey if you park up and put the tachograph on POA it is not regarded as break.
When DVSA check your card, all they see is a period of POA. They cannot tell whether you were double-manning at the time. So, as a matter of policy for enforcement purposes, they count the first 45 minutes of POA as break. Iām pretty sure this has been covered on this Forum before.
If you claim MM at a road side stop can the DVSA download from the unit and check that if it was on the same vehicle?
Thatās a big āifāā¦
If Iām wrong, then fair enough - but Iām pretty sure my understanding is correct from a previous discussion on this forum.
i went for an interview the other day and the gaffer said we run a tight ship, great i thought, anyway out in the yard they were loading a wagon and he said we dont load on break, ooh jolly good thanks, he said we load on poaā¦I said thought you run a tight ship, what do you mean he said, wellā ā ? if im loading its not poa its other work, its ok thats how we do it, if i get the job rest assured i will load on other work, what is it these people dont get, it baffles me common sense not so common eh
Roymondo:
tachograph:
Driveroneuk:
Roymondo:
Even in UK, the first 45 minutes of POA is counted as Break, simply because if you are in the passenger seat of a moving vehicle you can (legally) record break even though the tachograph will only let you record POA.Are you sure about that? (Except if double manned).
The first 45 minutes of POA are regarded as break when on a multi-manned journey, on a single manned journey if you park up and put the tachograph on POA it is not regarded as break.
When DVSA check your card, all they see is a period of POA. They cannot tell whether you were double-manning at the time. So, as a matter of policy for enforcement purposes, they count the first 45 minutes of POA as break. Iām pretty sure this has been covered on this Forum before.
What about the marking on the card/printout that shows you were multi-manning ?
Iāve always avoided multi-manning like the plague so have no personal experience of this, but according the the digital tachograph specifications laid down in Council Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85 the driver card will be marked when there are two cards in the tachograph.
Also if you look at the printout samples in the tachograph manuals, where there is two cards in the tachograph you will see that immediately following each activity there is the symbol to show that the driver/passenger was a crew member and there was two cards in the tachograph.
The crew member symbol is two side by side driving symbols immediately after the activity on the card/printout.
as a matter of policy for enforcement purposes, they count the first 45 minutes of POA as break. Iām pretty sure this has been covered on this Forum before.
I must have missed that thread can you remember what thread it was in ?
Maybe I got the wrong end of that particular stick then.
Apologies for muddying the waters - please disregard my earlier comment.
It regularly gets me letters with threats of being put through procedure,marks on my files etc 
for not booking enough 
No worries
Just out of interest Iāve tried this on the tachograph simulator and it did mark the printouts as multi-manned.
tachograph i do know the hours what i dont get is how many on here have ā ā ā ā all clue about them. so yes i wont comment on every post or every can you help i have been told i can drive for 17 hours a day by my mate is this right.
AGAIN this site shows exactly why the DCPC was brought in!! too many so called drivers know nothing and i mean nothing about the Law or rules, i get certain pictograms etc may throw the odd driver out, or as posted about police signing a printout etc may end in a āoh i had better check type postā. what i dont get is the very basics that are asked on here and with reference to dozys post yes i got it and yes the break was quite rightly pointed out so why repost the same answer?
maybe i should change my username to degree in road haulage law? or try to help the people i feel deserve it not trolls.
just so you know i spend a lot of time teaching the basic hours rule etc to a lot of ex forces guys who i have all the time in the world for as they dont use tacho etc and dont therefore ask thick questions.
apologies for the long reply but think too many drivers are too quick to post is this right etc. when it is what they are PAID and quite well in some places as a profession.
i dont even drive anymore but try my best to keep up to date if i can why cant someone who it is their job? 
How does the DCPC help when there is no requirement for a driver to go on a regs and tacho course and if they do then there is no test to determine whether they have assimilated the info correctly?
What is needed is an assessment for each driver then compulsory training if needed with a test at the end of that training - THAT AINT GONNA HAPPEN - so what do you propose?
yes rog the dcpc dont mean knowledge is improved which is why its such a waste of space. but if you were a government offical looking at this site would you blame them for introducing it?
the dcpc should have a series of questions at the end and a pass mark to make sure some of it has sunk in. but why cant drivers find out the information or increase their knowledge when its how they make a living?
what is poa, what does rest mean? what is that flashing thing above my head? still say he is a troll but hey ho if he dont know at least he has several answers now.
Just an observation but even threads that are blatantly trolling produce some interesting information and even keep us up to date by demonstarting our own knowledge.
Often knowing something and being able to articulate it are very different and these topics are goodfor refreshing ones memory.
This thread has already produced some interesting info from tachograph.
Just a trolls perspectiveā¦
dont dispute the fact tachograph knows his stuff so does rog and a fair few others on here. but still say there is too much of the basics that are genuinely not known, maybe i shouldnt get so wound up but just think all this does is provide ammunition for joe public to place emphasis on drivers and lack of knowledge.
I agree DD. For instance I didnāt know about the print out mark indicating multi manning.
Thanks tachograph for the explanation re POA not counting as break. I knew it didnāt as this was discussed in detail during one of dcpc modules i attended.
so the dcpc works? dont go telling everyone.