mark41:
Personally i think its all completely f’d up not just this Iran thing but the whole world has gone bloody bonkers everybody fighting someone else for whatever bs reason they dream up,the human race will not last if mankind doesn’t seriously sort its self out however either regards to the Iran thing they will not listen to anyone if they want nuclear warheads then they will get them countries like us and America etc cannot say you can’t have them when we have them ourselves that’s just being hypocritical and we know Iran is lying because if its just for electricity then why is it being done in a fortified underground bunker…
It seems obvious to me that the Iranians and those who follow their ideas of society really deserve to be fought and taken out.The argument that we shouldn’t be armed if we want places like Iran not to be is just bs.That’s no more hypocritical than disarming Germany after WW1.The mistake was letting them re arm again against the terms of the Versailles treaty.We’d have been in the zb in 1940 if we’d have listened to your idea that if they shouldn’t be armed nor should we.
i think you misunderstood my point carryfast i dont condone the iranians wanting nuclear warheads simply because we have them what im saying is that if they want them they will get them no matter what we or the americans say.the only people they might listen to is either china or russia but they wont say anything because they dont really like us or the usa either and its in their best interest to hope that we get dragged into another war thats if the israelis dont go in first and then you got a big problem with the middle east kicking off the iranians are like a petulent child that wants what the other kids have got the only problem with that is that if they do get them they would sell to a terrorist group simply because thats their mindset this isnt about oil or religion its about fear plain and simple the west doesn’t want a radical muslim country with nuclear warheads but you can bet your ■■■ that china and russia are loving this and will probably be the ones to secretly supply them with the means to launch them IMO…
Bike monkey that lord of war is a great film.
Yeah the nazis were pure evil and we did the right thing in going to war to stop them and if people had listened to Churchill a few years earlier perhaps it could have been done with a lot less bloodshed. And I agree with carryfast about the first wold war been much less about fighting something that is fundamentally wrong but since then most wars that us and the USA have been involved in have been about protecting our own interests rather than what’s right.
Remember we armed the afghans and Iraq when it was in our interests and we was ready to cosy up to gadaffi to suit the elite.
The Jews control American wealth so they will back israel which hacks the Arab world off but hank wants to fill his cadilac with cheap gas and bubba wants to drive a 6 litre pick up truck so if the Arabs cop the hump they use force and we follow suit.
kr79:
So every German was as mad as hitler. Keep taking the tablets son.
You probably would have thought so as you were being pushed towards the gas chamber.
^+ The all the Millions who never saw May 1945 having been killed by the extremely few Germans who supported Hitler.I don’t think there’s any examples of the majority of the Germans,who were against Hitler,ever having turned their guns on the few who supported him.
kr79:
Remember we armed the afghans and Iraq when it was in our interests and we was ready to cosy up to gadaffi to suit the elite.
The Jews control American wealth so they will back israel which hacks the Arab world off but hank wants to fill his cadilac with cheap gas and bubba wants to drive a 6 litre pick up truck so if the Arabs cop the hump they use force and we follow suit.
The West had been manipulating the oil producing states since time and memorial but they seem to have let the cat out of the bag with this “Arab Spring”
Could well be part of a “master plan” with the US stockpiling oil, or perhaps we give the powers to be far too much credit
mark41:
Personally i think its all completely f’d up not just this Iran thing but the whole world has gone bloody bonkers everybody fighting someone else for whatever bs reason they dream up,the human race will not last if mankind doesn’t seriously sort its self out however either regards to the Iran thing they will not listen to anyone if they want nuclear warheads then they will get them countries like us and America etc cannot say you can’t have them when we have them ourselves that’s just being hypocritical and we know Iran is lying because if its just for electricity then why is it being done in a fortified underground bunker…
It seems obvious to me that the Iranians and those who follow their ideas of society really deserve to be fought and taken out.The argument that we shouldn’t be armed if we want places like Iran not to be is just bs.That’s no more hypocritical than disarming Germany after WW1.The mistake was letting them re arm again against the terms of the Versailles treaty.We’d have been in the zb in 1940 if we’d have listened to your idea that if they shouldn’t be armed nor should we.
i think you misunderstood my point carryfast i dont condone the iranians wanting nuclear warheads simply because we have them what im saying is that if they want them they will get them no matter what we or the americans say.the only people they might listen to is either china or russia but they wont say anything because they dont really like us or the usa either and its in their best interest to hope that we get dragged into another war thats if the israelis dont go in first and then you got a big problem with the middle east kicking off the iranians are like a petulent child that wants what the other kids have got the only problem with that is that if they do get them they would sell to a terrorist group simply because thats their mindset this isnt about oil or religion its about fear plain and simple the west doesn’t want a radical muslim country with nuclear warheads but you can bet your ■■■ that china and russia are loving this and will probably be the ones to secretly supply them with the means to launch them IMO…
None of which seems to be the same (correct) line of thought used by Kennedy when he sorted out the Russians during the Cuban missile crisis.I think the Israelis will probably (rightly) try to sort the Iranians out themselves in the medium to long term and that’s when we’ll see which side everyone is on.It seems obvious that all of the so called Arab squabbles and disputes will melt into thin air as soon as Israel decides that enough is enough at which point the stupidity of forming alliances with and arming countries like Saudi Arabia will become clear.When the right action would have been direct involvement on the Israeli side in 1973 and then put the Middle East back under the same type of control which we had over it before and during WW2 with the exception of Israel.That would really give all the tossers who think it’s all been about oil something to really complain about.
One thing is for sure though Obama is probably no Kennedy because if he was there’s no way that Russia and China would be allowed to help Iran in it’s plan without them all having either been given an ultimatum,similar to the one issued by Kennedy to Russia,before now,or at least being told that they’ll all be held responsible for any Iranian actions,involving nuclear technology (which I think already involves the nuclear technology so far,in addition to any delivery system which would obviously be required later to make the whole excercise worthwhile) ,which they’ve provided to Iran in just the same way as if they’d launched the weapons themselves.
kr79:
Remember we armed the afghans and Iraq when it was in our interests and we was ready to cosy up to gadaffi to suit the elite.
The Jews control American wealth so they will back israel which hacks the Arab world off but hank wants to fill his cadilac with cheap gas and bubba wants to drive a 6 litre pick up truck so if the Arabs cop the hump they use force and we follow suit.
The West had been manipulating the oil producing states since time and memorial but they seem to have let the cat out of the bag with this “Arab Spring”
Could well be part of a “master plan” with the US stockpiling oil, or perhaps we give the powers to be far too much credit
Yeah right and the Russians have had no involvement in the place whatsoever and all the weapons used by the Arab states to invade Israel in 1973 were supplied by America in your world I suppose.
merc0447:
Ive got a 2 week all inclusive 18-30 club holiday in iran in july lock up yer daughters turban heads
Somehow I think you’re going to be dissapointed when you get there unless you take some of our own but the beach bbq and trying to get their bikinis off afterwards would probably cause a WW3 in that case anyway.
Are you for for real Carryfast??..you seem stuck in a time long long ago,peddling the propaganda that was fed to you back then and spitting out your prejudice and ignorance in the modern time.
Israel was taken from the Arabs,they were kicked out and given all the ■■■■ land which basically was an approved form of Apartheid,The Palestinians live in squalor and poverty and are provoked daily by the Israeli’s who think they are superior and even now are taking more and more land with their illegal settlements.
Israel is a little ■■■■ pot country that was taken due to it being apparently ‘the holy land’,they are mostly bullys like the US,they commit state sponsored terrorism in other peoples countries and provoke unrest in the countries of their enemies,fortunately for them they are backed by the US,otherwise they would have been wiped out…its always painted in the media that Israel is the victim and that couldn’t be further from the truth…they are allowed nuclear weapons,Pakistan is a muslim country with nuclear weapons but just happens to be a puppet of America…a lot of the US/NATO allies in the Middle East also have disgraceful human rights records(Saudi Arabia/Bahrain to name a couple)the US/NATO turn a blind eye and sell them more weapons and its all brushed under the carpet…yet Gadaffi/Assad(insert non conforming dictator) are eating kittens for breakfast and stabbing babies for fun (apparently)
Bikemonkey:
Are you for for real Carryfast??..you seem stuck in a time long long ago,peddling the propaganda that was fed to you back then and spitting out your prejudice and ignorance in the modern time.
Israel was taken from the Arabs,they were kicked out and given all the [zb] land which basically was an approved form of Apartheid,The Palestinians live in squalor and poverty and are provoked daily by the Israeli’s who think they are superior and even now are taking more and more land with their illegal settlements.
Israel is a little ■■■■ pot country that was taken due to it being apparently ‘the holy land’,they are mostly bullys like the US,they commit state sponsored terrorism in other peoples countries and provoke unrest in the countries of their enemies,fortunately for them they are backed by the US,otherwise they would have been wiped out…its always painted in the media that Israel is the victim and that couldn’t be further from the truth…they are allowed nuclear weapons,Pakistan is a muslim country with nuclear weapons but just happens to be a puppet of America…a lot of the US/NATO allies in the Middle East also have disgraceful human rights records(Saudi Arabia/Bahrain to name a couple)the US/NATO turn a blind eye and sell them more weapons and its all brushed under the carpet…yet Gadaffi/Assad(insert non conforming dictator) are eating kittens for breakfast and stabbing babies for fun (apparently)
The Arabs and Asians are always going to be Arabs and Asians regardless of wether we’re involved or not.Nothing surprises me concerning what atrocities that they may or may not be involved with wether it’s Gadaffi or Armoureddinnerjacket or the Taliban or the Saudis.Who the zb cares what they do amongst each other they are zb savages and they’ll always be zb savages.However I think that Gadaffi was the lesser of all the evils.
.But.The fact is Israel has existed long before 1967 and 1973 since it’s recognition by us and the world after we’d (tried to) stop them setting up a state there.The Arabs don’t like it so what who cares tough whatever the issues Israel is more civilised and treats it’s people,including Arab Israelis,better than the Arabs treat there own people.
Regardles of those issues that just leaves the questions do you agree that Russia was right to arm all the Arab states that then used them to attack Israel both in 1967 and in 1973.Do you agree that the Arabs were then right in using those weapons to invade Israel and ‘if’,as we should have done,we’d have helped Israel together with the Americans to defeat the zb Arabs for once and for all,having warned Russia to stay out of it or else,who’s zb side would you have been on.Ours or theirs .
All the war-propaganda, all the screaming and lies and hatred, comes invariably from people who are not fighting.
George Orwell
I think the Israelis and the Americans and us have all done enough fighting over the years to prove that all the screaming,lies,and hatred comes from the communists,fascists,and the zb Arabs amongst others who are a combination of both.
Bikemonkey,(wish i could do that link thing) the awareness of the situation is growing at a phenomenal rate and of course the mere mention of the word conspiracy is enough to park it in the sidings.Anything that removes people from their comfort zone and forces them to to consider alternate views is doomed to failure,but I would’nt suggest theres a lack of intelligence to blame,Theres some serious intellectual firepower within this forum.
I will check that link you posted but I mentioned a site called Educate yourself.the one that will come up isn’t the one I was recommending though.I sort of stumbled on another educate yourself which features an interview with a guy called James Casbolt who as part of the C,I,A/N.S.A project mannequin programme during the 1980,s spills the beans about an amazing ammount of stuff that will blow your mind.The rest of the site is equally devastating and I would badger away at discovering the amazing material therein as it will surely be dealt with when the censor gets to work.
