Conor:
Franglais:
So it is the EU`s fault for allowing some national independence.No, it’s the EU’s fault for bringing in legislation to protect workers and allowing derogations to be put in to make the whole thing pointless.
Yes, this. If the burden of supporting the new entrants in 2004 and 2007 had been shared equally among the community then Brexit would not have happened. But Germany elected to keep the Poles out even though Poland is their next-door-neighbour.
Harry Monk:
Conor:
Franglais:
So it is the EU`s fault for allowing some national independence.No, it’s the EU’s fault for bringing in legislation to protect workers and allowing derogations to be put in to make the whole thing pointless.
Yes, this. If the burden of supporting the new entrants in 2004 and 2007 had been shared equally among the community then Brexit would not have happened. But Germany elected to keep the Poles out even though Poland is their next-door-neighbour.
Define ‘keeping the Poles out’.
It was actually just a temporary derogation regarding freedom of labour movement.
Nothing in it about a Polish truck and driver taking a load from Germany bound for UK and a load from UK bound for Germany ( or Italy etc ). 
Ironically the whole ‘point’ of the 2,000 page ‘agreement’ ( BRINO treaty ) is to maintain our ‘alignment’ with the ‘single market’.
That means the single labour market and transport market.
Making everything to do with ‘Brexit’ , especially in the case of our road transport industry, ‘pointless’.
The same applies to trade policy unless Bozo is going to tell us that we can now import from US and Australia subject to the same conditions as applies to trade with the EUSSR.
Trusting the Tories with Brexit was like trusting a fox to look after the hen house. 
trevHCS:
I wonder if they’ll change the name of the driver hours from EU driver hours to summut else? Can’t honestly imagine them switching us back to domestic hours, but you never know.Be nice if we got rid of WTD too as it would save a ton of paper being printed for 6 hour infringements.
European mainland countries who are not part of the EU use a set of rules called ADTR (I think). There’s no difference between EU rules and ADTR rules.
UK domestic rules are restricted to within a 50 mile radius of base, at present. We might go back to the older style of UK domestic, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.
WTD, I’ve no idea what’s likely to happen to them. But why do you get 6 hour infringements? Unless you’re a van driver on parcel deliveries and going full speed all day to get your 100+ deliveries done. All you need to do is stop on a service area, put it on break, go for a dump, clean up, walk back picking up a coffee on-route, 15 minutes done easily.
A lot, you can only live in one country now without doing a lot of paper work to remain after 90 days your own
If you in any way think the driving rules are going to change and if they do it will be for the worse, ie keep the economy going, all for one and all that ■■■■
As someone said a nation of shopkeepers, and that’s in the past
Manufacturing is practically dead in certain sectors
The deal is only for 5 years so let’s wait and see who comes begging when it’s up
The eu gave pity in the end
Let’s look at it in realistic terms a country outside the EU trying to trade on its own, right beside the biggest market in the world, never going to happen, and if it did it would have been a free for all mayhem, prices going up for everything
The truth is the connection or attachment will never be broken with the eu
All your expected changes are local and as soon ask you want to travel you will still be under eu rules
As for flip flops or whatever they will be still coming in from everywhere and your taxi will still be used today look after them and give them priority over uk citizens
So in reality nothing is going to change with the exception of more paper work
Wheel Nut:
Daani:
They Gave us the Tampon Tax [emoji38]Which affects most of today’s modern drivers!
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Bigtruck3:
A lot, you can only live in one country now without doing a lot of paper work to remain after 90 days your own
If you in any way think the driving rules are going to change and if they do it will be for the worse, ie keep the economy going, all for one and all that [zb]
As someone said a nation of shopkeepers, and that’s in the past
Manufacturing is practically dead in certain sectors
The deal is only for 5 years so let’s wait and see who comes begging when it’s up
The eu gave pity in the end
Let’s look at it in realistic terms a country outside the EU trying to trade on its own, right beside the biggest market in the world, never going to happen, and if it did it would have been a free for all mayhem, prices going up for everything
The truth is the connection or attachment will never be broken with the eu
All your expected changes are local and as soon ask you want to travel you will still be under eu rules
As for flip flops or whatever they will be still coming in from everywhere and your taxi will still be used today look after them and give them priority over uk citizens
So in reality nothing is going to change with the exception of more paper work
Our Manufacturing is dead ‘because’ of the EUSSR.
Germany thinks that it has the god given right to all the industry and what it doesn’t want it subs out to its exploitable East Europe division.
You really think that going on with the situation in which we use massive borrowing to cover our ongoing EU trade deficit and contributions bill was/is sustainable for us.
The nation of shopkeepers joke was made by a French loser in the face of the country which gave the world the industrial revolution.
The statement long before that No nation can withstand treachery from within is more relevant in this case and Bozo’s BRINO ‘deal’ will be no different from Heath to May in that regard.
The Brexit voters of Dover now regrets it!
No-one on this site needs to worry about Brexit. The country will be pushed forward by the entrepreneurs amongst us, not held back by the pessimistic.
Terry T:
No-one on this site needs to worry about Brexit. The country will be pushed forward by the entrepreneurs amongst us, not held back by the pessimistic.
Yeah, from about 35 miles…
youtube.com/watch?v=ejc1wwRGjFk
It’s pointless arguing about this. No one is going to change their minds based on what they read on a trucking forum and both sides are petrified of being wrong.
I’ll talk to you about it in 5 years.
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?
I wonder whether, when the time comes around for a new one, what shape our economy will be in. Will the people want to move closer to, or further away from, the SEM?
GasGas:
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?
It’s not a deal it’s just another remain extension.Long enough for the Tories to deliberately ‘lose’ the next election so that the ‘opposition’ can finish Cameron’s Plan B of Brino to rejoin.
Carryfast:
GasGas:
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?It’s not a deal it’s just another remain extension.Long enough for the Tories to deliberately ‘lose’ the next election so that the ‘opposition’ can finish Cameron’s Plan B of Brino to rejoin.
Bloody hell CF, that’s taking cynicism to another level.
Do you really believe that ANY political party, especially one already in power , will deliberately chuck a General election in order to deliberately instate their opposition?..and just to get back into the EU?
Risking a 5 yr term of complete cluster ■■■■ that would come with it. 
The obvious and predictable answer from pro EUs will be along the lines of ‘‘Well look at the cluster ■■■■ already’’ , but your suggestion would be catastrophic.
5 years of an unpredictable pro ‘‘right on intellectual lefty’’ style Government, paired up with us crawling back to the EU with a begging bowl on THEIR terms.
robroy:
Carryfast:
GasGas:
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?It’s not a deal it’s just another remain extension.Long enough for the Tories to deliberately ‘lose’ the next election so that the ‘opposition’ can finish Cameron’s Plan B of Brino to rejoin.
Bloody hell CF, that’s taking cynicism to another level.
Do you really believe that ANY political party, especially one already in power , will deliberately chuck a General election in order to deliberately instate their opposition?..and just to get back into the EU?
Risking a 5 yr term of complete cluster [zb] that would come with it.
The obvious and predictable answer from pro EUs will be along the lines of ‘‘Well look at the cluster [zb] already’’
5 years of an unpredictable pro ‘‘right on intellectual lefty’’ style Government, paired up with us crawling back to the EU with a begging bowl on THEIR terms.
Stranger things have happened 
GasGas:
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?
I wonder whether, when the time comes around for a new one, what shape our economy will be in. Will the people want to move closer to, or further away from, the SEM?
Given the last minute rush to the 4 year talks, should negotiations start…now?
Watch this space, all you fans of threads like this! 
Franglais:
GasGas:
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?
I wonder whether, when the time comes around for a new one, what shape our economy will be in. Will the people want to move closer to, or further away from, the SEM?Given the last minute rush to the 4 year talks, should negotiations start…now?
Watch this space, all you fans of threads like this!
robroy:
Carryfast:
GasGas:
the just-signed deal lasts 5 years, doesn’t it?It’s not a deal it’s just another remain extension.Long enough for the Tories to deliberately ‘lose’ the next election so that the ‘opposition’ can finish Cameron’s Plan B of Brino to rejoin.
Bloody hell CF, that’s taking cynicism to another level.
Do you really believe that ANY political party, especially one already in power , will deliberately chuck a General election in order to deliberately instate their opposition?..and just to get back into the EU?
Risking a 5 yr term of complete cluster [zb] that would come with it.
The obvious and predictable answer from pro EUs will be along the lines of ‘‘Well look at the cluster [zb] already’’
5 years of an unpredictable pro ‘‘right on intellectual lefty’’ style Government, paired up with us crawling back to the EU with a begging bowl on THEIR terms.
They’ve already done exactly that in 2017 when May didn’t even need to call an election.
This is after all the party of Heath to May and on that basis if they are prepared to sell out their country they’ll think nothing of throwing an election to keep their dream of a Federal Europe alive.
Does anyone really believe that it takes four years and a 2,000 page ‘agreement’ to just turn the legislative and trade regime clock back to 23.59 31/12/1972.
Tomorrow as an example I’ll write an e mail to my MP ( Raab ) asking if we can now finally import stuff from the US subject to exactly the same trade conditions as applies to the EU.
Also is the common fisheries policy now null and void.
Also what’s changed regarding the situation of the single European Labour market.
Also ECJ juristiction.
Also further 'contributions
For just 5 examples out of the 2,000 pages.
I won’t hold my breath waiting for an answer.Which at best will go along the same lines that we are still in a ‘transition period’.
robroy:
5 years of an unpredictable pro ‘‘right on intellectual lefty’’ style Government
God, the horror of it all…Much better the bumbling idiot Boris and his shambolic cabinet of stupidity. Yeah they’ve been so predictable…
Carryfast:
Tomorrow as an example I’ll write an e mail to my MP ( Raab )
I love that he probably has the same reaction as many of us when he sees your name, again. As I’ve a sneaking suspicion this won’t be your first…
switchlogic:
robroy:
5 years of an unpredictable pro ‘‘right on intellectual lefty’’ style GovernmentGod, the horror of it all…Much better the bumbling idiot Boris and his shambolic cabinet of stupidity. Yeah they’ve been so predictable…
Yep, but at the end of the day it’s like everything else Luke…
Points of view and personal opinions and perspective.
We all see.the same situations differently quite often
But I’m sure you know that anyway. 
