Council want to make it harder to get rid of waste
Council complain about flytipping
adam277:
Council want to make it harder to get rid of waste
Council complain about flytipping
So bloody true.
Council want to charge for waste disposal?
After voters complain of high local taxes maybe? You get what you pay/vote for.
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Punchy Dan:
Can’t see how the council can do this ,waste is regulated by the Environment agency ,you don’t buy a waste licence from the council .
I would guess the councils argument would be that he still needs a waste carriers licence which is why they fined him, just that he was on their patch and they got caught him.
Pretty sure the EA think every builder roofer landscaper etc needs a licence now as they will create waste as part of their job. But i reckon the roofer could of just got a lower tier licence (which is free) and he would of escaped a fine.
Its box ticking ■■■■■■■■ really but they caught him. Not just drivers who can be fined for doing a days work eh!
Having heard him and a man from the council on Radio 4 just now I think it’s safe to say there is more to this story than we are being told, a lot more
switchlogic:
Having heard him and a man from the council on Radio 4 just now I think it’s safe to say there is more to this story than we are being told, a lot more
Yeah, I heard that and thought the same [emoji57]
My thoughts are this doesn’t have anything to do with his lunch litter more the fact he has a waste sack, does work on houses etc which must create commercial waste but doesn’t have the appropriate licence so the council are thinking, how does he dispose of the waste created from doing jobs.
nomiS36:
My thoughts are this doesn’t have anything to do with his lunch litter more the fact he has a waste sack, does work on houses etc which must create commercial waste but doesn’t have the appropriate licence so the council are thinking, how does he dispose of the waste created from doing jobs.
That would make sense, but it would make more sense to fine him for commercial waste in a waste sack and not sandwich wrappers and crisp packets. To me a bag is a bag, so if he had no carrier bag, then accumulate rubbish in whatever bag you have nearby.
Seems like they fined him for just having rubbish, in a bag, in his van.
Surely they should have waited until he actually threw it away?
What next, the suitcase police saying I´m fining you for having 150ml of aftershave in your suitcase, in your car?
Effin madness I tells ya.
I had a bloke come and do some work on my house. A really meticulous type…he did general carpentry, kitchens etc. He was an immaculate worker wh did everything by the book to the point of obsession.
The back of his van was like a palace…beautifully-made wooden racking. He had various screws and small items stored in old plastic paint and adhesive containers, each one washed out and labeled and with its own spot on the rack.
He told me he’d been stopped at a multi-agency check. All was well until he got to the end where there was a young woman from the Environment Agency…who admired the tidiness of the back of his van, then said that the old paint containers were hazardous waste and he was going to be prosecuted.
He wasn’t very impressed. He walked off to where the police were, and got one of the officers to come with him, saying a feel I may be about to assault someone, and I want you to see the level of provocation that I am being subjected to.
He then got the woman to repeat the allegation that he was carrying hazardous waste. The policeman laughed and told the woman to stop being stupid and get on with her work.
So, it can happen.
Had he not talked to a friendly plod with common sense (and they ARE out there) He´d have been fined.
Waltham Forest council are historically known for this nonsense, what o would like to see is to how the council pulled him in for a spot check … unless mistaken a local council officer has no powers to stop a vehicle on the road. Unless or was a joint venture with the police/DSS etc … still, his rubbish is in a commercial bag, no licence gets fined simple really …
discoman:
still, his rubbish is in a commercial bag, no licence gets fined simple really …
While still in his van? A bit ott innit? And, although I have no legal training, I´m guessing that fight in court would be the way to go.
Unless of course there are other circs we don´t know about yet.
I THINK the reason they’ve fined him is because now the Environment Agency have decided that any business involved in construction etc will create waste as part of the job so they all should have a waste carriers licence, he could of got a lower tier licence for free, but as he does not have this licence they have fined him.
The whole lunch bag of rubbish thing was only jazzed up for the papers/radio as “Businessman fined for not having correct paperwork” doesn’t sell papers.
Its a bit heavy handed but basically if he does the work he does with a van etc he now needs a waste carriers licence of some description to go about his days work same as public liability insurance etc etc!
discoman:
still, his rubbish is in a commercial bag, no licence gets fined simple really …
I disagree.
When he got the bag he didn´t buy the bag, he bought a licence which lets him dispose of the bag, and rubbish contained therein, in a certain way not accessible to non licence holders.
If he chooses to use the bag for his own personal rubbish AND KEEP IT IN THE VAN, then there is no way he should be getting fined for using the bag for the purpose for which it was not designed.
And now my head hurts.
steviespain:
discoman:
still, his rubbish is in a commercial bag, no licence gets fined simple really …I disagree.
When he got the bag he didn´t buy the bag, he bought a licence which lets him dispose of the bag, and rubbish contained therein, in a certain way not accessible to non licence holders.
If he chooses to use the bag for his own personal rubbish AND KEEP IT IN THE VAN, then there is no way he should be getting fined for using the bag for the purpose for which it was not designed.
And now my head hurts.
The point is it was a commercial bag, as previously stated not a private bin liner/tesco bag etc … he is a roofer, he would require a waste licence for carrying waste from his job, I am not up to speed on uk law since leaving, but tiles are waste or old wood etc … herewith lies the problem, he can’t prove it is personal waste and therefore is required to obtain said licence.
For example, He, could of claimed the monies back as part of his tax return, and could add 1£ per job to cover the cost … there is more to it than the media are letting on.
discoman:
steviespain:
discoman:
still, his rubbish is in a commercial bag, no licence gets fined simple really …I disagree.
When he got the bag he didn´t buy the bag, he bought a licence which lets him dispose of the bag, and rubbish contained therein, in a certain way not accessible to non licence holders.
If he chooses to use the bag for his own personal rubbish AND KEEP IT IN THE VAN, then there is no way he should be getting fined for using the bag for the purpose for which it was not designed.
And now my head hurts.The point is it was a commercial bag, as previously stated not a private bin liner/tesco bag etc … he is a roofer, he would require a waste licence for carrying waste from his job, I am not up to speed on uk law since leaving, but tiles are waste or old wood etc … herewith lies the problem, he can’t prove it is personal waste and therefore is required to obtain said licence.
For example, He, could of claimed the monies back as part of his tax return, and could add 1£ per job to cover the cost … there is more to it than the media are letting on.
Just to play devils advocate. If he consistently used the bag to accumulate his personal rubbish ( pop bottles, food wrappers), then tipped the contents into his own bin and returned the bag to his van, he hasn’t disposed of commercial waste.
Whilst I agree that he must create commercial waste and if he does not have a waste license, it’s very suspicious, however I am uncomfortable that he is been done for something that may happen, rather than they can prove happens IYSWIM.
The roofing contractor was driving through Chingford in North East London when he was pulled over by Waltham Forest Council workers.
Really?
They searched his vehicle
What■■?
A Waltham Forest Council spokesman said: 'The waste in this case was being transported in commercial refuse bag in the trader’s vehicle.
'Regardless of what the items are, if waste is being stored in a commercial refuse bag in a trader’s van it is necessary that they have a valid waste carriers’ license (sic)
Ok fair play, you jobsworth ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■■ of a useless ■■■■■■■ ■■■■■
And there´s no way they should have been allowed to search his van. That ■■■■■!
Also interesting to note that on Radio the council man pointed out he has now asked for a waste licence
steviespain:
The roofing contractor was driving through Chingford in North East London when he was pulled over by Waltham Forest Council workers.
Really?They searched his vehicle
What■■?A Waltham Forest Council spokesman said: 'The waste in this case was being transported in commercial refuse bag in the trader’s vehicle.
'Regardless of what the items are, if waste is being stored in a commercial refuse bag in a trader’s van it is necessary that they have a valid waste carriers’ license (sic)
Ok fair play, you jobsworth [zb] [zb] [zb] [zb] of a useless [zb] [zb].And there´s no way they should have been allowed to search his van. That ■■■■■!
I would like to no where a civil enforcement officer has the power to pull a moving vehicle … I do not recall any council employee having. Said powers.