Talking on idiots on the road. I had a car driver run into the back of me, try to tell me that it was my fault because it was my job to keep the safe distance between our vehicles. There are just some complete idiots out there.
Gogan:
EastAnglianTrucker:
Oh for [zb]'s sake, give the guy a break!He’s obviously got to concentrate on looking right at the oncoming traffic, and if some [zb] came up on his n/s as he was trying to get out of the junction, then there’s a very high possibility there’s going to be an accident. I dare say most of us on here, despite their years of experience and perfect driving record, don’t always get everything right… This looks like one of those occasions!The pic he’s posted doesn’t leave much room for either a car on the left, or much doubt about the circumstances. Like some have said, no-one’s perfect, not even you Gogan, despite your accusatory tone.Don’t get too wound up RobRob, [zb] happens!You really haven’t read this thread have you?
I am not condemning the drivers actions as anything other than a mistake, and as I have already said I am not perfect and would never claim to be. I do however take issue with the OP’s insistence that the blame can only be laid on the car driver.
I don’t need to use an accusatory tone, as I am not making any accusations. The OP has already admitted that he failed to check the mirror before moving off, so he has already admitted partial liability.
You yourself state that there was a high possibility of an accident occuring in that situation, so in the name of common sense the OP should have had the sense to check his mirror before moving off as any decent driver would. He didn’t (by either ignorance or indifference), and so therefore he contributed to the occurence of a preventable accident, and all by his own (very public) admission.
So, what exactly is your issue?
Your reply above is precisely everything you say you’re not doing. You’re accusing RobRob of ignorance or indifference amongst other things! As well as not being a “decent driver” when quite frankly, you’re not in a position to either know, comment on or judge! Not to mention the accusatory exclamations you’ve made in other posts in BOLD and ITALIC!
Every time we drive on the road there’s a “high possibility of an accident occurring” and we all do things that in hindsight would have made more sense if we hadn’t done. Of course it was preventable! If he hadn’t moved his truck it would have been prevented FFS! I would suggest the reasons most of us avoid accidents is more by good luck than good judgement, given the standards of driving demonstrated by other road users.
Instead of trying to back pedal now Gogan, get of your [zb] high horse and accept that this looks like one of those accidents that most of us would have preferred to have not happened, but due to the extreme stupidity of the actions of someone else, has caused an unnecessary accident.
I would just like to thank the drivers that have stood up for me here. Nice to know that people agree with my point of of view.
For the haters, yes, I did check my near side mirror, (for kerb clearance), a split second after moving off. This explains why I didn’t run over the top and completely crush the prick and his car! I had no other reason to check it. Never in a million years would I have thought someone would try to drive through the gap they did! Oh, and it was a busy dual carriageway/ trunk road, so pedestrians, cyclists etc…where not a concern!
I will now say no more on the subject and have certainly learnt to avoid this forum in the future. I honestly expected to get support here. It seems however, that there are some posters here that are obviously ‘inadequate’ in other areas of their lives, so feel the need to ‘big up’ themselves on a public forum, to the detriment of others!
One word - pricks!
Kerbdog:
Carryfast:
the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.
Is that after the officer asks you the questions “You had good road position, you were obviously looking at the very busy a1 traffic as it was very hard for you to engage the traffic flow with your weight…but why did you not expect to see a car coming down your inside across the grass verge where there is no space and no road ?”.
No it’s probably going to be something like we’d like to ask you a few questions about the fatal accident involving a cyclist at the junction of x and y roads today/yesterday/whenever.
To which the reply could be what accident don’t know anything about any accident involving any cyclist.
To which the reply is well we’ve got a number of witnesses who’ve given the registration number of the vehicle which your guvnor says that you were driving at the time.
To which the reply is oh well it must have been me but I had good road position and I was looking at the very busy traffic on y road as it was hard to engage the traffic flow with the weight and why would I expect to see some zb idiot on a bike on the inside near the wheels of the trailer.Now zb off and let me get back to watching the tele. 
RobRob:
I would just like to thank the drivers that have stood up for me here. Nice to know that people agree with my point of of view.For the haters, yes, I did check my near side mirror, (for kerb clearance), a split second after moving off. This explains why I didn’t run over the top and completely crush the prick and his car! I had no other reason to check it. Never in a million years would I have thought someone would try to drive through the gap they did! Oh, and it was a busy dual carriageway/ trunk road, so pedestrians, cyclists etc…where not a concern!
I will now say no more on the subject and have certainly learnt to avoid this forum in the future. I honestly expected to get support here. It seems however, that there are some posters here that are obviously ‘inadequate’ in other areas of their lives, so feel the need to ‘big up’ themselves on a public forum, to the detriment of others!
One word - pricks!
Not haters at all just trying to point out that the road is full of zb idiots.Checking the mirrors ‘a split second AFTER’ moving off as opposed to BEFORE moving off might mean the difference between a flattened cyclist followed by some very difficult questions and maybe some very serious charges or being able to drive off swearing about yet another absolute zb suicidal idiot on the road that you’ve had to avoid.
RobRob:
Friday 13th, I’m pulling out of a service station on the A1 Northbound.
Just a small point you might not have considered. Next time you use that service area and the gentleman, sorry idiot, in question is working it might be safest not to purchase a hot beverage or unpackaged snack item that involves him preparing, or otherwise handling, it. Just saying.
Carryfast:
Kerbdog:
Carryfast:
the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.Is that after the officer asks you the questions “You had good road position, you were obviously looking at the very busy a1 traffic as it was very hard for you to engage the traffic flow with your weight…but why did you not expect to see a car coming down your inside across the grass verge where there is no space and no road ?”.
No it’s probably going to be something like we’d like to ask you a few questions about the fatal accident involving a cyclist at the junction of x and y roads today/yesterday/whenever.
To which the reply could be what accident don’t know anything about any accident involving any cyclist.
To which the reply is well we’ve got a number of witnesses who’ve given the registration number of the vehicle which your guvnor says that you were driving at the time.
To which the reply is oh well it must have been me but I had good road position and I was looking at the very busy traffic on y road as it was hard to engage the traffic flow with the weight and why would I expect to see some zb idiot on a bike on the inside near the wheels of the trailer.Now zb off and let me get back to watching the tele.
got nothing to do with cyclists,you`ve completly altered the scenario to try and prove your point
I suspect Gunga Dim really did it as his buck toothed granny in Bangladesh needs an operation and can’t afford it . Make sure you tell insurance he was the only person in the car…
A lots said about indian drivers but what about the chinamens standard of driving? 
pavaroti:
A lots said about indian drivers but what about the chinamens standard of driving?
I don’t think chinamen can drive as they are mainly for ornamental use and usually found on elderly ladies mantelpieces.
commonrail:
Carryfast:
Kerbdog:
Carryfast:
the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.Is that after the officer asks you the questions “You had good road position, you were obviously looking at the very busy a1 traffic as it was very hard for you to engage the traffic flow with your weight…but why did you not expect to see a car coming down your inside across the grass verge where there is no space and no road ?”.
No it’s probably going to be something like we’d like to ask you a few questions about the fatal accident involving a cyclist at the junction of x and y roads today/yesterday/whenever.
To which the reply could be what accident don’t know anything about any accident involving any cyclist.
To which the reply is well we’ve got a number of witnesses who’ve given the registration number of the vehicle which your guvnor says that you were driving at the time.
To which the reply is oh well it must have been me but I had good road position and I was looking at the very busy traffic on y road as it was hard to engage the traffic flow with the weight and why would I expect to see some zb idiot on a bike on the inside near the wheels of the trailer.Now zb off and let me get back to watching the tele.
got nothing to do with cyclists,you`ve completly altered the scenario to try and prove your point
Checking the mirrors before moving off is the point.It might have been a car this time but a cyclist etc next time.
pavaroti:
A lots said about indian drivers but what about the chinamens standard of driving?
Some say that this is racist. 
Carryfast:
commonrail:
Carryfast:
Kerbdog:
Carryfast:
the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.Is that after the officer asks you the questions “You had good road position, you were obviously looking at the very busy a1 traffic as it was very hard for you to engage the traffic flow with your weight…but why did you not expect to see a car coming down your inside across the grass verge where there is no space and no road ?”.
No it’s probably going to be something like we’d like to ask you a few questions about the fatal accident involving a cyclist at the junction of x and y roads today/yesterday/whenever.
To which the reply could be what accident don’t know anything about any accident involving any cyclist.
To which the reply is well we’ve got a number of witnesses who’ve given the registration number of the vehicle which your guvnor says that you were driving at the time.
To which the reply is oh well it must have been me but I had good road position and I was looking at the very busy traffic on y road as it was hard to engage the traffic flow with the weight and why would I expect to see some zb idiot on a bike on the inside near the wheels of the trailer.Now zb off and let me get back to watching the tele.
got nothing to do with cyclists,you`ve completly altered the scenario to try and prove your point
Checking the mirrors before moving off is the point.It might have been a car this time but a cyclist etc next time.
MIGHT have been, but wasn’t.
I failed an assessment once a couple of years ago, was in the yard and was told to drive around the yard, then blind side into a spot, so as I drive past the spot, I check all around it, make sure it’s safe, clear, what room I’ve got etc. I then procede into the spot (hazards on etc), perfect blindside, was well impressed. He failed me for it because I didn’t climb out of the cab and check behind the trailer for any pedestrians that may have gone there whilst I selected reverse. I explained they’d have a lot more time to get there whilst I’m walking the 50’ length of the truck
You can only do so much, and, as I said, in this situation, it’s more likely that a motorbike might’ve been filtering past some cars on the main road than someone attempting suicide on the nearside.
waynedl:
Carryfast:
commonrail:
Carryfast:
Kerbdog:
Carryfast:
the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.Is that after the officer asks you the questions “You had good road position, you were obviously looking at the very busy a1 traffic as it was very hard for you to engage the traffic flow with your weight…but why did you not expect to see a car coming down your inside across the grass verge where there is no space and no road ?”.
No it’s probably going to be something like we’d like to ask you a few questions about the fatal accident involving a cyclist at the junction of x and y roads today/yesterday/whenever.
To which the reply could be what accident don’t know anything about any accident involving any cyclist.
To which the reply is well we’ve got a number of witnesses who’ve given the registration number of the vehicle which your guvnor says that you were driving at the time.
To which the reply is oh well it must have been me but I had good road position and I was looking at the very busy traffic on y road as it was hard to engage the traffic flow with the weight and why would I expect to see some zb idiot on a bike on the inside near the wheels of the trailer.Now zb off and let me get back to watching the tele.
got nothing to do with cyclists,you`ve completly altered the scenario to try and prove your point
Checking the mirrors before moving off is the point.It might have been a car this time but a cyclist etc next time.
MIGHT have been, but wasn’t.You can only do so much
One of the basic things I was taught from the beginning is that when driving trucks you need to spend as much,if not more,time using the mirrors as looking where you’re going and using the mirrors every time,automatically,without even thinking about it,when moving away from rest,soon became just part of that.
Silver_Surfer:
I haven’t read all the BS on this thread but for my tuppence worth, RobRob, you have my sympathy and all the people that are saying he should have checked his nearside mirror before pulling away are knobs.
I agree with Silver_Surfer,and I didn’t detect any racist slurs either.The guy who has just bought the house next door to me is Indian. Does that make me a racist? I certainly don’t think so.
Carryfast:
waynedl:
Carryfast:
commonrail:
Carryfast:
Kerbdog:
Carryfast:
the next thing you know is when the law come looking for you and you’ve got to explain to them that you didn’t know anything about it before driving off honest ocifer.Is that after the officer asks you the questions “You had good road position, you were obviously looking at the very busy a1 traffic as it was very hard for you to engage the traffic flow with your weight…but why did you not expect to see a car coming down your inside across the grass verge where there is no space and no road ?”.
No it’s probably going to be something like we’d like to ask you a few questions about the fatal accident involving a cyclist at the junction of x and y roads today/yesterday/whenever.
To which the reply could be what accident don’t know anything about any accident involving any cyclist.
To which the reply is well we’ve got a number of witnesses who’ve given the registration number of the vehicle which your guvnor says that you were driving at the time.
To which the reply is oh well it must have been me but I had good road position and I was looking at the very busy traffic on y road as it was hard to engage the traffic flow with the weight and why would I expect to see some zb idiot on a bike on the inside near the wheels of the trailer.Now zb off and let me get back to watching the tele.
got nothing to do with cyclists,you`ve completly altered the scenario to try and prove your point
Checking the mirrors before moving off is the point.It might have been a car this time but a cyclist etc next time.
MIGHT have been, but wasn’t.You can only do so much
One of the basic things I was taught from the beginning is that when driving trucks you need to spend as much,if not more,time using the mirrors as looking where you’re going and using the mirrors every time,automatically,without even thinking about it,when moving away from rest,soon became just part of that.
CF, years ago, I was leaving a bus stop, as I pulled out I saw something in my mirror, by time I looked up again the car I was pulling out behind had stopped… You know where that story goes.
In his photo, there’s a foot path, but it’s a pretty straight road, so that would’ve been checked for potential dangers, but anything behind can wait it’s turn and if it skips up the inside, that’s their problem I’m affraid.
Also, looking at damage, position etc, he wouldn’t have done any harm to any cyclist, even a motorcyclist, only a car.
Don’t let the blatantly obvious facts get in the way of a good old kangaroo court on here
Lets face it.No-one in their right mind is going to be checking mirrors whilst waiting to get on a road from a service area for a car driving up the pavement.The OP has already said he did what I would call A check in the N/S mirror to check the trailer is running clear and following to find a car there and stopped.
It’s not like he dragged it up the Road and only noticed some few hundred metres later.
The car driver is an idiot,the OP is not.
The people who are finger wagging the OP!!!
Get out more.
paul@midway:
Don’t let the blatantly obvious facts get in the way of a good old kangaroo court on hereLets face it.No-one in their right mind is going to be checking mirrors whilst waiting to get on a road from a service area for a car driving up the pavement.The OP has already said he did what I would call A check in the N/S mirror to check the trailer is running clear and following to find a car there and stopped.
It’s not like he dragged it up the Road and only noticed some few hundred metres later.The car driver is an idiot,the OP is not.
The people who are finger wagging the OP!!!
Get out more.
+1 
You are not at fault, it’s the idiot that thought he could drive on a pavement which is illegal, what about the pedestrian or cyclist the idiot in the car could of killed by breaking the law and who was in the wrong,period 
. Forget it mate, most on here understand your position. I’ve always put it like this to non-hgv drivers when trying to understand our job, it’s like being a teacher that’s having knives thrown at them while trying to do their job, or doing any job surrounded by incompetent morons who’s mistakes will eventually kill or seriously injure you, that’s professional driving. We are trying to do our jobs every day surrounded by morons who’s mistakes can kill us. Probably why I do night trunking !!!
philtvc65:
You are not at fault, it’s the idiot that thought he could drive on a pavement which is illegal, what about the pedestrian or cyclist the idiot in the car could of killed by breaking the law and who was in the wrong,period
Fixed your typo for you. You’re welcome.