Welsh Border and Mid Wales Hauliers 1950's onwards


A Palmer & Harvey Mercedes, seen by Stowe Farm, near Winforton, Herefordshire.


A Mercedes big hook wagon, seen on the A44 at Barons Cross, Leominster.

Dave the Renegade:

Wayne Davies new Scania. Pic courtesy of Wayne.

Do you know what the operator thinks of it Dave? My boss is looking into a new 6w for next year, but the Scania price tag is a bit off putting.

Muckaway:

Dave the Renegade:

Wayne Davies new Scania. Pic courtesy of Wayne.

Do you know what the operator thinks of it Dave? My boss is looking into a new 6w for next year, but the Scania price tag is a bit off putting.

He likes it Nathan, he had a Daf CF before which wasn’t the best. This one is heavier, but I think their loads are capped, so he should be OK.
Wayne has driven 6 and 8 wheeler tippers for years, he knows what he’s about.
Cheers Dave.

410bhp; 100bhp more than mine, yet I remember when Smiths Fodens seemed overpowered at 250.

Muckaway:
410bhp; 100bhp more than mine, yet I remember when Smiths Fodens seemed overpowered at 250.

I remember when 180bhp Gardners were king of the road in a 32 ton artic Nathan. Everything moves on as time passes.
Cheers Dave.

Dave the Renegade:

Muckaway:
410bhp; 100bhp more than mine, yet I remember when Smiths Fodens seemed overpowered at 250.

I remember when 180bhp Gardners were king of the road in a 32 ton artic Nathan. Everything moves on as time passes.
Cheers Dave.

It’s staggering to think that only 30 years ago I used to grind up Swanscombe drag (what used to be Death Hill) on the A2 in a 1619 Merc artic at 13 mph following all those 180 Gardners at much the same speed. We all moved together so it wasn’t an issue. The upside was that you could all pile down the other side at 70 mph plus - no problem - with no limiters to ruin the run when we got at the next incline. As you say, ‘Everything moves on as time passes’. Robert :smiley:

robert1952:

Dave the Renegade:

Muckaway:
410bhp; 100bhp more than mine, yet I remember when Smiths Fodens seemed overpowered at 250.

I remember when 180bhp Gardners were king of the road in a 32 ton artic Nathan. Everything moves on as time passes.
Cheers Dave.

It’s staggering to think that only 30 years ago I used to grind up Swanscombe drag (what used to be Death Hill) on the A2 in a 1619 Merc artic at 13 mph following all those 180 Gardners at much the same speed. We all moved together so it wasn’t an issue. The upside was that you could all pile down the other side at 70 mph plus - no problem - with no limiters to ruin the run when we got at the next incline. As you say, ‘Everything moves on as time passes’. Robert :smiley:

Absolutely true Robert,we used to drive tippers back up the M5 and M50 at 70mph empty heading from Cheltenham back via Ledbury to the quarries up this way. We didn’t have bhp that the modern wagons have, but we had two speed axles and no limiters,or tacho’s. As long as the police or ministry weren’t about, we could get from A to B faster than today’s drivers.
Cheers Dave.

You certainly could get about quicker, Dave. I’ve been in Hansons siding at Kidlington for nearly an hour. All started because shovel/weighbridge man had to watch a tanker driver fill the bowser rather than book the waiting lorries in. It’s quicker (and probably cheaper when you consider the lost time) to have an artic load tipped into our yard and me to load it back up with our JCB. :imp:

Muckaway:
You certainly could get about quicker, Dave. I’ve been in Hansons siding at Kidlington for nearly an hour. All started because shovel/weighbridge man had to watch a tanker driver fill the bowser rather than book the waiting lorries in. It’s quicker (and probably cheaper when you consider the lost time) to have an artic load tipped into our yard and me to load it back up with our JCB. :imp:

Hi Nathan,
We didn’t have all the health & safety reg’s in our day. Its a good thing to have safety in the workplace, but its gone way over the top. The loader drivers in my day didn’t have weighers on the loading shovels, and most of them got it right, and if you were overweight, you could go and shovel a few cwt off. Nowadays you aren’t allowed to get up onto the body of the lorry on quarry premises as you know.
We used to get messed about occasionally, but not to the extent that drivers do these days.
Cheers Dave.

you’re right there dave , my son has switched to regular nights hauling out of the quarries . once all the h&s brigade have gone home for their tea a lot of things suddenly become acceptable . there are still the jobsworths who use h&s to drag the job out but it is a lot easier after 6 pm . cheers , dave


One of A E Gough & Sons eight legger tippers, seen on the A438 near Winforton, Herefordshire.

I think it’s more to do with “typical” weighbridge man than Alf N.Safety, Dave. I’m glad I’m not a Hanson franchisee; I’d not be happy having my earnings governed by someones’ awkwardness.
On the plus side, a farmers’ contacted us about wanting a stack of subsoil for altering the levels of a field. To us that means “free muck tip”. :smiley:

Muckaway:
I think it’s more to do with “typical” weighbridge man than Alf N.Safety, Dave. I’m glad I’m not a Hanson franchisee; I’d not be happy having my earnings governed by someones’ awkwardness.
On the plus side, a farmers’ contacted us about wanting a stack of subsoil for altering the levels of a field. To us that means “free muck tip”. :smiley:

Yes Nathan, the weighbridge operator can make or brake the day of a driver, or even an owner driver these days. I don’t know much about that side of tipper work that you are on. I did do some daywork years ago, but that was mainly on hire to the local council hauling from a machine and tipping on another council site.
Cheers Dave.


A Volvo six wheeler, seen on the A4111 entering Eardisley, Herefordshire.


A close up of a Cargill hatchery wagon, seen on the A4111 near Kington.


A Daf XF artic, seen on the A44 at Bargates, Leominster.


One of C W Griffiths Volvo’s, seen on the A44 at Walton, Radnorshire.

Has anyone got any photos of Berry Wiggins Bitumen tankers. They used to haul bitumen into the local quarries this way until the 1970’s.
I had forgotten about them, until my neighbour mentioned them today.
Cheers Dave.

Dave the Renegade:
Has anyone got any photos of Berry Wiggins Bitumen tankers. They used to haul bitumen into the local quarries this way until the 1970’s.
I had forgotten about them, until my neighbour mentioned them today.
Cheers Dave.

Hi Dave , i havent any pics , but i can remember a Scammell Routeman and Foden 8legger tankers . They were actually registered in Hereford and probably hauled out of Cinderford , regards Keith .