JFC999:
Bungle, after all this Tacho [zb] I’ve lost track , are you now parked up on your first night out ?
If so where ? Are you comfortable ? Have you got clean underwear and how far away is the boozer ?
Jim
yes i am mate, im at avon lodge truckstop! not bothered about a boozer TBH! LOL! nice and comfy and getting ready for kip time!
AND THERES NO FLIPPIN FRIDGES!
B…
Carryfast:
tachograph:
Carryfast:
Although tachograph could clear the issue up by finding the relevant rule which says that any unrecorded and unaccounted for time on the chart during the 24 hr period will be ‘assumed to be’ part of the daily rest period.
I didn’t say it was a rule, I thought it was in one of the older VOSA publications, though I can’t find it now so it’s possible I was thinking of what’s on page 39 of GV262 which says that the time between charts will usually be regarded as rest.
But it really doesn’t matter anyway, if you’re saying that legally a driver must complete the graph on the back of a chart to account for the rest period how do you explain the example on page 33 of VOSA’s own publication here
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It think that shows that there’s actually no requirement for a complete continuous 24 hour record being required either by use of the tacho or manually.
Look on the bright side at least I wouldn’t have been nicked for putting too much information on my charts.
No there’s no chance that you could have got done for over information
Having said that I have read that some EU countries like every minute accounted for, so at-least you would have been covered there
tachograph:
Carryfast:
Saaamon:
I’ve never seen or heard of anyone completing a full 24 hours on a chart.
Le gendarmes from La gendarmerie will have your French francs! ignorance is not bliss.
Getting off point now? Lad wanted to park at Bristol not start a full out big ■■■■/I know more than you contest!
As before park at yate safe night out for fuel and load plus a nose bag nearby… Who wants more■■?
Carryfast:
Saaamon:
Are you getting confused with some people choosing to put a chart in overnight to record rest as “proof” they’ve take it? The bit on the back is used if the tacho is broken, to record what you’ve been doing away from the truck or other such things.
There’s not much point in having tachos or log books if no one has to record their rest periods over the course of the 24 hr period just the same as they record all the other activeties.I don’t think there’s any rule out there that says it’s just there to record everything except rest periods and anything that isn’t recorded and accounted for on the chart will be ‘assumed’ to be part of the daily rest period.
As you say the graph on the back is used to record what you’re doing when you’re way from the truck and it’s not possible to use the vehicle’s tacho to record what you’re doing for whatever reason.Which common sense says ‘includes’ the daily rest period taken during the 24 hours in the case of a job which doesn’t involve nights out with the vehicle.
However in the case of a vehicle used for tramping operations and therefore nights out it’s understandable that the employer or the authorities might be likely to ask questions as to why the chart was removed overnight assuming the driver chooses to remove it in that case.Just as would sometimes be the case when it’s removed during the course of an actual working shift.
Although tachograph could clear the issue up by finding the relevant rule which says that any unrecorded and unaccounted for time on the chart during the 24 hr period will be ‘assumed to be’ part of the daily rest period.In which case I spent years wasting time filling in the log graph on the back of tacho charts to account for the whole 24 hr period in the case of spending my daily rest periods at home not with the vehicle.
Does the phrase “No info - rest assumed” mean anything to you?
A lot of lads park freee on the road to Davies Turner and the Renault dealer off First Way Avonmouth then a short walk to the village and the hotel over the train track has happy hour and meals or the Indian opposite and a Chinese too or opposite the cop shop a pub with meals and takeawys there too.
Edit - Blimey, has Carryfast just admitted he was wrong? That’s a first surely.
switchlogic:
Edit - Blimey, has Carryfast just admitted he was wrong? That’s a first surely.
He’s lulling you into a false sense of security before launching a devastating two pronged attack describing how one the one hand The Khmer Rouge were responsible for the advent of analogue tachographs, and on the other hand if only good old Adolf had used double drives he’d have rolled straight through Stalingrad thus ridding the World of blacks and ■■■■■■ deviants in one fell swoop.
AlexWignall:
the maoster:
switchlogic:
Edit - Blimey, has Carryfast just admitted he was wrong? That’s a first surely.
He’s lulling you into a false sense of security before launching a devastating two pronged attack describing how one the one hand The Khmer Rouge were responsible for the advent of analogue tachographs, and on the other hand if only good old Adolf had used double drives he’d have rolled straight through Stalingrad thus ridding the World of blacks and ■■■■■■ deviants in one fell swoop.
Hahahaha
Some say that tachographs were actually Adolf’s idea not the Khmer Rouge and all of his drivers did have to keep a full 24 hour record of their aciveties on their charts.
Scanner:
Carryfast:
Saaamon:
Are you getting confused with some people choosing to put a chart in overnight to record rest as “proof” they’ve take it? The bit on the back is used if the tacho is broken, to record what you’ve been doing away from the truck or other such things.
There’s not much point in having tachos or log books if no one has to record their rest periods over the course of the 24 hr period just the same as they record all the other activeties.I don’t think there’s any rule out there that says it’s just there to record everything except rest periods and anything that isn’t recorded and accounted for on the chart will be ‘assumed’ to be part of the daily rest period.
As you say the graph on the back is used to record what you’re doing when you’re way from the truck and it’s not possible to use the vehicle’s tacho to record what you’re doing for whatever reason.Which common sense says ‘includes’ the daily rest period taken during the 24 hours in the case of a job which doesn’t involve nights out with the vehicle.
However in the case of a vehicle used for tramping operations and therefore nights out it’s understandable that the employer or the authorities might be likely to ask questions as to why the chart was removed overnight assuming the driver chooses to remove it in that case.Just as would sometimes be the case when it’s removed during the course of an actual working shift.
Although tachograph could clear the issue up by finding the relevant rule which says that any unrecorded and unaccounted for time on the chart during the 24 hr period will be ‘assumed to be’ part of the daily rest period.In which case I spent years wasting time filling in the log graph on the back of tacho charts to account for the whole 24 hr period in the case of spending my daily rest periods at home not with the vehicle.
Does the phrase “No info - rest assumed” mean anything to you?
Obviously not.But then we were also allowed to use rope hooks to rope down loads at the time too.Common sense seems to have gone out the window at some point after that.
Carryfast:
AlexWignall:
the maoster:
switchlogic:
Edit - Blimey, has Carryfast just admitted he was wrong? That’s a first surely.
He’s lulling you into a false sense of security before launching a devastating two pronged attack describing how one the one hand The Khmer Rouge were responsible for the advent of analogue tachographs, and on the other hand if only good old Adolf had used double drives he’d have rolled straight through Stalingrad thus ridding the World of blacks and ■■■■■■ deviants in one fell swoop.
Hahahaha
Some say that tachographs were actually Adolf’s idea not the Khmer Rouge and all of his drivers did have to keep a full 24 hour record of their aciveties on their charts.
I can imagine him scratching the diagram in the bier hall table next to the one for the Beetle…
'Ze Aryan peoples must prove how much they love ze Volkswagen by recording how much it iz utilized… ’
fair play, CF