3300John:
hiya… if they start charging the French drivers to use our roads they might stop coming altogeather and then we,ll be in the sh…
we don,t grow much in the UK anymore and we don,t make anything theres only eddie to move what bit there is left to move.
I think times are going to get worse and the goverment can,t see it coming, we can,t blame any one party they are all as bad as
each other, I bet Brown give a sigh of reliff when he lost the last election he can slip off to Dubi or somewhere and start a new life
leaving us lot in the sh… he,ll still get 70 grand a year pension been a ex prime minister and live on freebies like the rest have done
over the years.
John
blood presure falling now ter arr.
If French drivers stopped coming to the UK I am sure British Hauliers would start going over there again, but even if we charge for using our roads it wouldn’t cost the French any more than they pay now at home. When Germany and Austria started per mile charges the French still kept going there as did all other nations. The thing with any of these charges is they apply to domestic as well as international vehicles so we all pay the same.
I would think as we are an Island nation we would do well to adopt the Swiss system as there is far less infrastructure to put up and due to our borders it would be easy to use shipping companies as our collecting agents for a minimal cost.
The Swiss actually charge their own trucks,and cars,the same as foreign ones.The foreign trucks issue is just a red herring put up by those who’s real motive is to put more freight onto rail by taxing it off the road.
Carryfast:
The Swiss actually charge their own trucks,and cars,the same as foreign ones.The foreign trucks issue is just a red herring put up by those who’s real motive is to put more freight onto rail by taxing it off the road.
Not just the Swiss, all tolls set in any country must be paid by all users, French pay to use their motorways, German pay the Maut, etc etc. If we have a user charge in the UK I think it would have to be on all roads either like the Swiss per KM or through a Vignette system, and then get rid of the VED and fuel duty for commercial vehicles, maybe through a rebate claimed after paying at the pump.
Because we are an Island we can charge foreign trucks very easily at the point of entry and exit as the Swiss do, and the good thing is it needs very little work to get it up and running
Carryfast:
The Swiss actually charge their own trucks,and cars,the same as foreign ones.The foreign trucks issue is just a red herring put up by those who’s real motive is to put more freight onto rail by taxing it off the road.
Not just the Swiss, all tolls set in any country must be paid by all users, French pay to use their motorways, German pay the Maut, etc etc. If we have a user charge in the UK I think it would have to be on all roads either like the Swiss per KM or through a Vignette system, and then get rid of the VED and fuel duty for commercial vehicles, maybe through a rebate claimed after paying at the pump.
Because we are an Island we can charge foreign trucks very easily at the point of entry and exit as the Swiss do, and the good thing is it needs very little work to get it up and running
The only reason that the government here would take off fuel taxes is if they can get more through road user charging.What we actually need is less taxation not more.There is actually no law which says that the Swiss have to charge their own road transport industry,or private cars, the same as foreign trucks and cars running through.The issue of road user tolls in most of their neighbouring countries was why the Swiss public supported road user charges in the first place rightly as a ■■■ for tat backlash against being charged by the French and Italians to use their motorways etc every time they left their borders.However as governments always do they took advantage of that to raise revenues from their own people at home by imposing road charges for all.However it’s not impossible for foreign users to circumvent the Swiss charges if you know how and which borders to go in and out by at least for the car motorway vignette one.
Carryfast:
The only reason that the government here would take off fuel taxes is if they can get more through road user charging.What we actually need is less taxation not more.There is actually no law which says that the Swiss have to charge their own road transport industry,or private cars, the same as foreign trucks and cars running through.The issue of road user tolls in most of their neighbouring countries was why the Swiss public supported road user charges in the first place rightly as a ■■■ for tat backlash against being charged by the French and Italians to use their motorways etc every time they left their borders.However as governments always do they took advantage of that to raise revenues from their own people at home by imposing road charges for all.However it’s not impossible for foreign users to circumvent the Swiss charges if you know how and which borders to go in and out by at least for the car motorway vignette one.
The Conservatives have said they will introduce a lorry road user charging scheme for foreign and British trucks over 12 tonnes.
Speaking at a roundtable debate for Motor Transport, sponsored by Frakin, Robert Goodwill, the Conservative shadow transport minister, said such a scheme was necessary to create a level playing field between domestic and foreign operators.
“We have made a commitment to look at the possibilities of a lorry road user charging scheme in the UK which we would link to a rebate on fuel for domestic trucks that would be largely revenue neutral for the operators,” says Goodwill.
“We have increasing numbers of foreign trucks using our roads and that presents a problem of unfair competition. We also have a problem of tax bleed in that we are losing around £400 million a year which should be coming to the British Exchequer but is going to Paris, Brussels and Luxemburg. So a scheme of this sort will level the playing field for own domestic operators and mean these vehicles to pay a fair contribution to the Exchequer.”
I believe you cannot charge foreign vehicles without charging your own as it is against EU competition regulations, I just can’t find where I read the regulation
Carryfast:
The only reason that the government here would take off fuel taxes is if they can get more through road user charging.What we actually need is less taxation not more.There is actually no law which says that the Swiss have to charge their own road transport industry,or private cars, the same as foreign trucks and cars running through.The issue of road user tolls in most of their neighbouring countries was why the Swiss public supported road user charges in the first place rightly as a ■■■ for tat backlash against being charged by the French and Italians to use their motorways etc every time they left their borders.However as governments always do they took advantage of that to raise revenues from their own people at home by imposing road charges for all.However it’s not impossible for foreign users to circumvent the Swiss charges if you know how and which borders to go in and out by at least for the car motorway vignette one.
The Conservatives have said they will introduce a lorry road user charging scheme for foreign and British trucks over 12 tonnes.
Speaking at a roundtable debate for Motor Transport, sponsored by Frakin, Robert Goodwill, the Conservative shadow transport minister, said such a scheme was necessary to create a level playing field between domestic and foreign operators.
“We have made a commitment to look at the possibilities of a lorry road user charging scheme in the UK which we would link to a rebate on fuel for domestic trucks that would be largely revenue neutral for the operators,” says Goodwill.
“We have increasing numbers of foreign trucks using our roads and that presents a problem of unfair competition. We also have a problem of tax bleed in that we are losing around £400 million a year which should be coming to the British Exchequer but is going to Paris, Brussels and Luxemburg. So a scheme of this sort will level the playing field for own domestic operators and mean these vehicles to pay a fair contribution to the Exchequer.”
I believe you cannot charge foreign vehicles without charging your own as it is against EU competition regulations, I just can’t find where I read the regulation
Correct - you cannot discriminate between domestic and foreign operators/vehicles.
Carryfast:
The only reason that the government here would take off fuel taxes is if they can get more through road user charging.What we actually need is less taxation not more.There is actually no law which says that the Swiss have to charge their own road transport industry,or private cars, the same as foreign trucks and cars running through.The issue of road user tolls in most of their neighbouring countries was why the Swiss public supported road user charges in the first place rightly as a ■■■ for tat backlash against being charged by the French and Italians to use their motorways etc every time they left their borders.However as governments always do they took advantage of that to raise revenues from their own people at home by imposing road charges for all.However it’s not impossible for foreign users to circumvent the Swiss charges if you know how and which borders to go in and out by at least for the car motorway vignette one.
The Conservatives have said they will introduce a lorry road user charging scheme for foreign and British trucks over 12 tonnes.
Speaking at a roundtable debate for Motor Transport, sponsored by Frakin, Robert Goodwill, the Conservative shadow transport minister, said such a scheme was necessary to create a level playing field between domestic and foreign operators.
“We have made a commitment to look at the possibilities of a lorry road user charging scheme in the UK which we would link to a rebate on fuel for domestic trucks that would be largely revenue neutral for the operators,” says Goodwill.
“We have increasing numbers of foreign trucks using our roads and that presents a problem of unfair competition. We also have a problem of tax bleed in that we are losing around £400 million a year which should be coming to the British Exchequer but is going to Paris, Brussels and Luxemburg. So a scheme of this sort will level the playing field for own domestic operators and mean these vehicles to pay a fair contribution to the Exchequer.”
I believe you cannot charge foreign vehicles without charging your own as it is against EU competition regulations, I just can’t find where I read the regulation
The Swiss are’nt in the EU.And there’s no way that the tories or any other British government will allow road transport to be more competitive with rail which is why they won’t allow Scandinavian type wagon and drags and any road fuel duty rebate will be at the cost of road charging which more than makes up for the difference.But anyone who is naive enough to believe the British government will have a shock.
If they want to charge people depending on how environmentally friendly their vehicle is and how far they travel dump all forms of road funding, ie road tax, and what goes to central and local government and put it all on fuel. The fuel duty recovery system is already in place and has been proven to work for years, the more you drive, the more you pay, the less environmentally friendly your vehicle is the more you pay. They can even discount certain industries if they wish through rebaits as happens now.
this would only work on uk trucks & cars as the fuel cost’s to much, french/german/easten european trucks come in with enough fuel to do wat they have to, they buy they fuel on the way home in belguim or lux…
rorykk:
If they want to charge people depending on how environmentally friendly their vehicle is and how far they travel dump all forms of road funding, ie road tax, and what goes to central and local government and put it all on fuel this would only work on uk trucks & cars as the fuel cost’s to much, french/german/easten european trucks come in with enough fuel to do wat they have to, they buy they fuel on the way home in belguim or lux…
That sounds a bit like what we’ve already got except you want to charge the British road transport industry even more in fuel taxes for so called ‘environmental’ reasons while the foreign operators fill up in other states which are’nt so greedy for road fuel taxes.Nothing new there and if they put it all on fuel it actually does go to central government and the EU in duty and VAT while the others pay sfa.
I have always been a labour supporter, but i must say that maggie thatcher did more for the working classes than any labour government. For those of you who say maggie did nothing for the working classes…remember who lived in council housing…remember who allowed the tenants to purchase those properties…the only fault with that system was the fact that the local councils were not allowed to keep the cash made on those properties…It was labour who has allowed millions to live on benefits…and allow the children to do likewise…it was labour who has opened the door to millions of immigrants…it was labour who has allowed illegal immigranmts to enter this country, and then give them asylum…it was labour who told the french we will take all the foreigners so long as you close sangatte…now sangatte 2 has opened…labour never had the brains to close the benefit system to foreigners until they have lived here for at least 6 months. It was labour who gave us the human rights act, and are now failing to protect its citizens by not being able to deport terrorists because of the dreaded H.R act.
It was labour who gave back to brussels the hard earned rebate that maggie had fought so hard to win.
it was labour who sold us down the river over the lisbon treaty after the unelected brown had promised a referendum. i could go on and on, but you all know where im coming from, and now we have a coalition, not in my opinion is it a good one, but better than the previous one, and i am turning slowly to believe that cameron could be the manif only he would stand up to wimpy clegg and his liberalistic views.Davehas a hell of a clean up on his hands, likemalcsaid earlier we have been living way above our means, with everything so easy to buy with theno depositslogan helping us, and us unable to pay, or not wanting to pay..nowwemust pay for everyone elses mistakes..its gonna be a long road.... i will agree that road charging forthe foreigners` is a way forward to make it a square playing field, but there was mention of a road tax being played across the board, that means uk haulage as well, and the brits will be able to claim it back, or a percentage at least. i dont know why a charging system takes so long to implement, when we have a vignette system already in place. If seafrance and P& O, can take money for road pricing, and give it to the foreign authorities in the benelux countries, then why not do it in reverse…easy peasy.
truckyboy:
I have always been a labour supporter, but i must say that maggie thatcher did more for the working classes than any labour government. For those of you who say maggie did nothing for the working classes…remember who lived in council housing…remember who allowed the tenants to purchase those properties…the only fault with that system was the fact that the local councils were not allowed to keep the cash made on those properties.
She actually allowed those tenants living in state provided and funded housing to buy those houses at a knock down rate and guess what most of them ended up on the private market soon after at a mark up resulting in some of the so working classes getting rich on state handouts while others,who needed those houses,had to meet the cost of those profits made by the original tenants who maggie made into backdoor state funded ‘homeowners’.She was a commie just like all the rest of them.If the councils had kept the cash they would have used it to build yet more state funded housing for yet more so called ‘working class’ people to make yet more profits out of each other all on the back of the taxpayer.
… and pre Maggie it was the Tories who encouraged immigration to provide workpeople for the mills etc of west yorkshire.
When a Tory councillor in london "bought " votes by using ratepayers money to improve their flats to persuade them to vote Tory, she was disgraced after being found guilty of gerrymandering. How is that different from buying votes from those who bought their council homes at a knock down price?
… and as far as Europe goes, who took us into the common market in the first place?
Sorry Truckyboy, either you use blinkers or are not old enough to tremember just how bad the Tories are, or maybe you bought a cheap council house.
del949:
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… and as far as Europe goes, who took us into the common market in the first place?
There was a mixture in all parties who supported it and who were against it (which is probably why Peter Shore did’nt get to be Labour Party leader) and then it was the people themselves when they voted in the referendum.
truckyboy:
I have always been a labour supporter, but i must say that maggie thatcher did more for the working classes than any labour government. For those of you who say maggie did nothing for the working classes…remember who lived in council housing…remember who allowed the tenants to purchase those properties…the only fault with that system was the fact that the local councils were not allowed to keep the cash made on those properties…It was labour who has allowed millions to live on benefits…and allow the children to do likewise…it was labour who has opened the door to millions of immigrants…it was labour who has allowed illegal immigranmts to enter this country, and then give them asylum…it was labour who told the french we will take all the foreigners so long as you close sangatte…now sangatte 2 has opened…labour never had the brains to close the benefit system to foreigners until they have lived here for at least 6 months. It was labour who gave us the human rights act, and are now failing to protect its citizens by not being able to deport terrorists because of the dreaded H.R act.
It was labour who gave back to brussels the hard earned rebate that maggie had fought so hard to win.
it was labour who sold us down the river over the lisbon treaty after the unelected brown had promised a referendum. i could go on and on, but you all know where im coming from, and now we have a coalition, not in my opinion is it a good one, but better than the previous one, and i am turning slowly to believe that cameron could be the manif only he would stand up to wimpy clegg and his liberalistic views.Davehas a hell of a clean up on his hands, likemalcsaid earlier we have been living way above our means, with everything so easy to buy with theno depositslogan helping us, and us unable to pay, or not wanting to pay..nowwemust pay for everyone elses mistakes..its gonna be a long road.... i will agree that road charging forthe foreigners` is a way forward to make it a square playing field, but there was mention of a road tax being played across the board, that means uk haulage as well, and the brits will be able to claim it back, or a percentage at least. i dont know why a charging system takes so long to implement, when we have a vignette system already in place. If seafrance and P& O, can take money for road pricing, and give it to the foreign authorities in the benelux countries, then why not do it in reverse…easy peasy.
Well said that man,
It was also Brown that sold off our gold reserves to Germany at rock bottom prices.
