Simple one this…and probably one that happens to many agency drivers.
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 4pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 9 and half to ten hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
Mike-C:
Simple one this…and probably one that happens to many agency drivers.
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 6pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 9 and half to ten hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
i will say yes cos you have had a reduced rest of 24 and when you finish a 4 am sun you would have 26 hours off and therefore have a full rest
delboytwo:
Mike-C:
Simple one this…and probably one that happens to many agency drivers.
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 6pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 9 and half to ten hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
i will say yes cos you have had a reduced rest of 24 and when you finish a 4 am sun you would have 26 hours off and therefore have a full rest
Good spotting !! Again i almost cocked up and missed my point. I’ll change it !!!
Question now edited…
no you would not be able to cos you would not get a rest in a fixed week
you have only had 22 for sat
and when you finish at 2 am on sun you would only get 22 there
as a fixed week finshis at 24.00 sun
delboytwo:
i will say yes cos you have had a reduced rest of 24 and when you finish a 4 am sun you would have 26 hours off and therefore have a full rest
You’re a bit confused there Del, two reduced rests don’t make a full.
delboytwo:
no you would not be able to cos you would not get a rest in a fixed week
A rest doesn’t have to be ‘in’ a fixed week in the sense you seem to mean.
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
i will say yes cos you have had a reduced rest of 24 and when you finish a 4 am sun you would have 26 hours off and therefore have a full rest
You’re a bit confused there Del, two reduced rests don’t make a full.
so why is this in the regs then
A daily rest period may be extended to make a regular
weekly rest period or a reduced weekly rest period.
sorry mate i think i know what you mean compensation as to be put on the end of a daily rest of a least 9 hours
for get about the bit in this post 
delboytwo:
so why is this in the regs then
A daily rest period may be extended to make a regular
weekly rest period or a reduced weekly rest period.
I don’t see the point you are making in relation to two reduced rests making a full.
I think everyone is aware you extend a daily rest into either a full or reduced weekly rest but if you take less than 45 hours, in one continuous block, it is a reduced rest and it remains so no matter what. It doesn’t become a full rest by taking another reduced rest and adding it on.
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
so why is this in the regs then
A daily rest period may be extended to make a regular
weekly rest period or a reduced weekly rest period.
I don’t see the point you are making in relation to two reduced rests making a full.
I think everyone is aware you extend a daily rest into either a full or reduced weekly rest but if you take less than 45 hours, in one continuous block, it is a reduced rest and it remains so no matter what. It doesn’t become a full rest by taking another reduced rest and adding it on.
what i was thinking was the use the quote when he finished a 2 am and had a rest of 11 hours he could make into a 24 reduced rest by adding in the 13 hours any that was my thinking but was wrong and thanks for clearing that bit up
Yes the driver can take on the shift provided he doesn’t resume work before either 02:00 or 23:00 Monday, depending whether he needs a regular, or can take a reduced, weekly rest. This assumes the shift is 10 hours and he finishes at 02:00 Sunday.
delboytwo:
what i was thinking was the use the quote when he finished a 2 am and had a rest of 11 hours he could make into a 24 reduced rest by adding in the 13 hours any that was my thinking but was wrong and thanks for clearing that bit up
Actually you weren’t wrong about that, only about the full rest thing. He could count that second period in your scenario as another reduced rest, thereby giving him longer into the week before he needs his next rest period, he can count from when he starts Monday as opposed to when he started Saturday.
Ok, lets step it up a bit and make it a bit harder…
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 5pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 14 and a half hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
Mike-C:
Ok, lets step it up a bit and make it a bit harder…
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 5pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 14 and a half hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
Fri 6pm to Sat 5pm is only 23 hours so cannot be a weekly rest.
As the first started on Mon 6am the weekly must start at or before Sun 6am due to the rule of a max 6 X 24 hours between weekly rest periods.
You can start at 5pm Sat but the max shift would be til 6am Sun so therefore only 13 hours not 14 and a half.
Mike-C:
Ok, lets step it up a bit and make it a bit harder…
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 5pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 14 and a half hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
i will say you can cos you have started your rest in the same week at 7.30am sun i did not think you said that you are starting on Mon at six so this is why i have base my answer as long as the rest starts in that week it ok but if i wrong you can hit me with the pencil
delboytwo:
i will say you can cos you have started your rest in the same week at 7.30am sun
145.5 hours after you resumed work following your last weekly rest period? Can you see a problem with that? 
delboytwo:
Mike-C:
Ok, lets step it up a bit and make it a bit harder…
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 5pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 14 and a half hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
i will say you can cos you have started your rest in the same week at 7.30am sun i did not think you said that you are starting on Mon at six so this is why i have base my answer as long as the rest starts in that week it ok but if i wrong you can hit me with the pencil
You got it right. But as pointed out, it doesn’t meet VOSA’s criteria of having a weekly break after 144 hours. But it fits in niceley with the current EU legislation 
Mike-C:
Ok, lets step it up a bit and make it a bit harder…
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 5pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 14 and a half hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
delboytwo:
i will say you can cos you have started your rest in the same week at 7.30am sun i did not think you said that you are starting on Mon at six so this is why i have base my answer as long as the rest starts in that week it ok but if i wrong you can hit me with the pencil
Mike-C:
You got it right. But as pointed out, it doesn’t meet VOSA’s criteria of having a weekly break after 144 hours.
ROG:
As the first started on Mon 6am the weekly must start at or before Sun 6am due to the rule of a max 6 X 24 hours between weekly rest periods.
We agree on the above 2 quotes
Mike-C:
But it fits in niceley with the current EU legislation
Which particular bit in the regulations makes the answer by delboytwo correct 
ROG:
Mike-C:
Ok, lets step it up a bit and make it a bit harder…
Start a fresh week and go to work Monday morning at 6am. finish time is 6pm. We do this same shift and finish Friday at 6pm.
So to clarify
Mon 6am to 6pm
Tue 6am to 6pm
Wed 6am to 6pm
Thurs 6am to 6pm
Fri 6am to 6pm.
Boss rings me up and wants me to go out on Saturday evening/night at 5pm. and do a run from say…Liverpool to Northampton. Its probably going to be a 14 and a half hour shift.
Again driving hours are not an issue, i have plenty of driving time.
So, can i do it? If no, why. If yes, why?
delboytwo:
i will say you can cos you have started your rest in the same week at 7.30am sun i did not think you said that you are starting on Mon at six so this is why i have base my answer as long as the rest starts in that week it ok but if i wrong you can hit me with the pencil
Mike-C:
You got it right. But as pointed out, it doesn’t meet VOSA’s criteria of having a weekly break after 144 hours.
ROG:
As the first started on Mon 6am the weekly must start at or before Sun 6am due to the rule of a max 6 X 24 hours between weekly rest periods.
We agree on the above 2 quotes
Me and you are on different planets. I do not agree with the above quote. There is no ‘max of 6x24 hours’, it is ‘no more than 6 24 hour periods’, they’re them things that start every time you start work and they can be very much shorter than 24 hours. And, crucially they are not neccesarily consecutive.
Mike-C:
But it fits in niceley with the current EU legislation
Which particular bit in the regulations makes the answer by delboytwo correct
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The bit where it says you need to take a weekly break after no later than six 24 hour PERIODS.
To be honest sometimes i am very naughty, what i do is this…i start work on a Monday at 6am and then i get an ‘early dart’ at 4pm. And then i have one of them horrible early starts on Tuesday at 1.30am. Now you see what i done there what was so naughty? Yeah, i turned my first 24 hour period into a 19 and a half hour one. I know its naughty, but i like to be cutting edge !! And then, if thats not bad enough i push the boat out even further and start a new 24 hour period on Tuesday at 1.30am, and thats even before the old one has finished !!! I’m sure i’ll get caught one day and i’ll be laughing on the other side of my face as they say when i do get caught for doing it. But thats me, just a big chancer hey ?!!
