Mike-C:
e and you are on different planets. I do not agree with the above quote. There is no ‘max of 6x24 hours’, it is ‘no more than 6 24 hour periods’, they’re them things that start every time you start work and they can be very much shorter than 24 hours. And, crucially they are not neccesarily consecutive.
You are entitled to your opinion as always but the greater majority of us will adhere to what is written, it’s true meaning and the enforcement of it.
Coffeeholic:
delboytwo:
i will say you can cos you have started your rest in the same week at 7.30am sun145.5 hours after you resumed work following your last weekly rest period? Can you see a problem with that?
Hi neil
before you jump down my throat 
i an not arguing the point it just how vosa have wrote it that as made me right this.
i was reading the vosa book and would like to thro a spanner in the works about the 144 hours bit
we all know its 144 to take a rest but if you look at the bit underlined you would see that it would be ok as it says work and if your not working how can the 23 hours off be counted as work i know what you are saying but why have there put this in
A weekly rest period that falls in two weeks may be counted in either week but not in both.
However, a rest period of at least 69 hours in total may be counted as two back-to-back weekly
rests (e.g. a 45-hour weekly rest followed by 24 hours), provided that the driver does not exceed
144 hours’ work either before or after the rest period in question.
A weekly rest period that falls in two weeks may be counted in either week but not in both.
However, a rest period of at least 69 hours in total may be counted as two back-to-back weekly
rests (e.g. a 45-hour weekly rest followed by 24 hours), provided that the driver does not exceed
144 hours’ work either before or after the rest period in question.
Lets see if I can get this correct 
Full weekly rest counted as being in previous week
start 0600 monday
finish 0600 sunday - that’s the 144 hours done
69 hour weekly rest - 24 hours (reduced counted for previous week) + 45 hours (full weekly rest) counted for forthcoming week.
start 0300 wednesday
finish 2300 sunday
reduced weekly rest counted as being in forthcoming week
(e.g. a 45-hour weekly rest followed by 24 hours)
I am assuming that this can be the other way around…
Do I get 
OR
Do I get 
I would say that the wording isn’t really correct in the VOSA book. Reading that it could be argued that you don’t need to count POA, breaks or even rest in those 144 hours so you could keep on going until your driving and other work totals 144 hours. But we all know that would not be correct. I know what they are trying to say, 6 x full 24-hour periods =144 hours maximum between weekly rests, but I don’t think they have quite said it with that phrase.
ROG:
Lets see if I can get this correctFull weekly rest counted as being in previous week
start 0600 monday
finish 0600 sunday - that’s the 144 hours done
69 hour weekly rest - 24 hours (reduced counted for previous week) + 45 hours (full weekly rest) counted for forthcoming week.
start 0300 wednesday
finish 2300 sunday
reduced weekly rest counted as being in forthcoming weekDo I get
OR
Do I get
Where does it say anything about start/finish times?
It simply says that if you have a weekly rest of 69 hours which straddles 00:00 Monday then you can count that as two rest periods, one for each week.
Coffeeholic:
I would say that the wording isn’t really correct in the VOSA book. Reading that it could be argued that you don’t need to count POA, breaks or even rest in those 144 hours so you could keep on going until your driving and other work totals 144 hours. But we all know that would not be correct. I know what they are trying to say, 6 x full 24-hour periods =144 hours maximum between weekly rests, but I don’t think they have quite said it with that phrase.
As you have told me many times, trying to change or SIMPLIFY 
what is actually written in the regulations can lead to a different meaning
Coffeeholic:
Where does it say anything about start/finish times?It simply says that if you have a weekly rest of 69 hours which straddles 00:00 Monday then you can count that as two rest periods, one for each week.
It does not - I was trying to put what was written into an example
Does it matter which way the 24 and 45 are in the 69
ROG:
Does it matter which way the 24 and 45 are in the 69
Does it say it matters?
ROG Does it matter which way the 24 and 45 are in the 69
yes it would mate in the fact of what rest you had last week did you have a 45 then the 24 can come first but if you had a 24 the 45 would have to
Coffeeholic:
ROG:
Does it matter which way the 24 and 45 are in the 69Does it say it matters?
Thank you
delboytwo:
yes it would mate in the fact of what rest you had last week did you have a 45 then the 24 can come first but if you had a 24 the 45 would have to
that’s what I was getting at - is there a choice - but coffeeholic has answered that above
delboytwo:
ROG Does it matter which way the 24 and 45 are in the 69
yes it would mate in the fact of what rest you had last week did you have a 45 then the 24 can come first but if you had a 24 the 45 would have to
Exactly Del. If you’ve had a regular weekly rest the week before then it doesn’t matter but other requirements of the regulations may take the choice out of your hands…
and i will add if your taking advantage of this, why would it matter at all your having 69 hours off
delboytwo:
and i will add if your taking advantage of this, why would it matter at all your having 69 hours off
Thats why i highlighted that quote of 69 hours and back to back buisness from the DfT/VOSA leaflet. It doesn’t really make any sense.
There has to be a weekly break, that is one in each week. The wording “can be counted in either but not both” is primarily designed to stop someone claiming they had a break in that week when infact it was only a small overlap from the previous week. In practice it doesn’t work out that you can take a weekly rest before you have worked !!
delboytwo:
i was reading the vosa book and would like to thro a spanner in the works about the 144 hours bitwe all know its 144 to take a rest but if you look at the bit underlined you would see that it would be ok as it says work and if your not working how can the 23 hours off be counted as work i know what you are saying but why have there put this in
There is no 144 hours bit. Its a complete fallacy. We can demonstrate it thus…
When we begin a weeks work, how do we know when to start counting our 24 hour periods? Yes, a 24 hour period begins when we finish either a daily or weekly rest period. So if we start work at 6am Monday morning we start a 24 hour period. If we finish work at 18.00 hours Monday, completing 12 hours work and start work at 9am on Tuesday, when does our next 24 hour period start? Does it start like VOSA say in their book at 6am on Tuesday morning, or does it start like the EU regs say, when we start our duty at 9am ? If it starts when VOSA say at 6am on Tuesday that means you can only work until 21.00 hours Tuesday evening, even though you started work at 9am. If it starts like the EU regs say, when we commence work at 9am then we can work until midnight. Following the VOSA rule we would be operating two 24 hour periods side by side starting at different times. Its a nonsense. The criteria for your weekly rest is that you have one every week. You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests. 144 hours is completly made up, take no notice of them.
Mike-C:
You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests.
Still beating the same old drum then Mike
Where does it say “You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests” in the regulations, I mean the regulations we work to today.
tachograph:
Mike-C:
You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests.Still beating the same old drum then Mike
Where does it say “You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests” in the regulations, I mean the regulations we work to today.
It says six 24 hour periods. They’re them things that START when you insert your chart for a days work, and not start rolling continuously from the end of a weekly rest.
Monday 6am to 6pm
Tuesday 7am to 7pm
Wednesday 6am to 6pm
Thursday 7am to 7pm
Friday 6am to 8pm
There’s five random ones. And lets see now, we have until the week is out to take a weekly rest and we still have another 24 hour period available to us so we can go to work and do an extra shift on Saturday at 9pm.
Mike-C:
tachograph:
Mike-C:
You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests.Still beating the same old drum then Mike
Where does it say “You are allowed six driving periods in between weekly rests” in the regulations, I mean the regulations we work to today.
It says six 24 hour periods. They’re them things that START when you insert your chart for a days work, and not start rolling continuously from the end of a weekly rest.
Monday 6am to 6pm
Tuesday 7am to 7pm
Wednesday 6am to 6pm
Thursday 7am to 7pm
Friday 6am to 8pmThere’s five random ones. And lets see now, we have until the week is out to take a weekly rest and we still have another 24 hour period available to us so we can go to work and do an extra shift on Saturday at 9pm.
Actually tachograph, i’ll tell you what. You tell me when the 24 hour periods start and stop? If i work 6am to 6pm on a monday and then resume work at 4am on a tuesday whats going on there? Have i lost two hours of the first 24 hour period? If i start work on the Tuesday at 9am have i turned a 24 hour period into a 27 hour one? You tell me.
I know you’re going to use the criteria that your 24 hour period starts when you finish a daily or weekly rest period. After all there is no other way to start them off. But curiosly, you will now disregard this rule for any subsequent 24 hour periods and you will keep counting from the first one continuously, and disregarding the first rule you used for measuring when they start.
i need an other quiz anyone got one to task my head
come on there must be a question out there that is more harder the the weekly rest 