Being economically minded,I use gel,as you don’t need as much,or have as much waste. 
Ken.
Strip the paint off the walls…bike ride…then come deal with all your dumb fools later…
ady1…stand your ground son…stand your ground 
If i can’t make it today…i’ll sure be back 2morrw
As I see this Lady P was right you need to feel safe at work, I would do the same as there is only 1 other female where i work ( part time) and that is in the office, also bosses wife
If this happened to your wife /girlfrend how would your react? how would you feel
Although in this case was pretty cut and dried, especially when Lady P explained that it was the latest of a series of incidents. And it must have been hell going to work each day not knowing if this [zb] was going to be there and try something on.
But there is an issue of what is acceptable in terms of banter and horseplay, and in my experience that really depends on the person, what type of day they are having and the general working atomosphere. With all those variables it’s inenvitable that sometimes people are going to get it wrong.
This is where respect and understanding for each other comes in.
Realising you got it wrong and your light hearted action has gone over like a concrete cloud, you then obviously stop and applogise, not keep going to get a rise out of their discomfort. That’s the action of a bully, who are normally the one’s who can’t take any sort of banter aimed at them.
SuperSmiley:
Strip the paint off the walls…bike ride…then come deal with all your dumb fools later…
Oh don’t we know. Don’t be snifing the solvents put a mask on you know what you’re like!!
ady1:
no one ever speaks about the great laughs they have now because everyone ones to frightened to have one,
Maybe you have no laughs but i do. I’m the biggest clown going as anyone who knows me would testify !! 
I just don’t ■■■■■ women in the pursuit of fun.
A lot of people say truck drivers r thick…………I think there may be some truth in that………………
Typical of a lot of posts……they start off on one thing….then go off in complete tangent…forgetting the point of the original post…with people posting absolute ■■■■■■■■…….and picking bits to suit there stupid
argument…Lucy
Let us get back to the start……the original post……for some was enough info……some already had background info……some just say what is supposed to be said………but some of us say…’Hang on a second can we have a bit more info……cos we like to make a fair judgement’……
Let me give u an example of why we take such a view;
WPC Lucy & Co from No Brains station…………comes round to a house……and the wife say……’Hubby has just beaten me up’……she has a black eye swelling up to prove it………
Immediately……….hubbys’ hanged….there and then………no questions asked………saves wasting court time….U don’t touch a woman
PC SuperSmiley & Co……from Brain in our Heads station…instead arrive…same one liner is said…but we… first ask hubby ‘What the ■■■■ does he think he was doing?’………….(or wait till we get down nick)………….
Then find out from some background info, his wife was actually kicking the crap out of him…hitting him with all kinds of things………(his bruising was under his clothing)………and the only time she stopped was after he gave a good smack…….no other gently things he tried worked…………
Things look different now don’t they!!!
(Before anyone start quoting my example and accusing me of being a woman beater…………■■■■ you!!!..…………Woman beating is another big………NO…NO!!!...hence why it was used…………)
The point being here people…without having some understanding of the background……u cannot give honest and fair judgement……………
How do we know in the past…that Lady P………and this bloke didn’t used to have all kinds of silly horseplay……sometimes boarding on the dodgy……….but this time he went to far……………for her…………(she might have been just in a bad mood that day)
We just didn’t know………….so we simply…asked for more info………as soon as she gave it…we all backed her up………………
Even you Coffee……u smacked the bloke……but u gave us the background info to why……………… Otherwise if we took WPC Lucy & Co from No Brains station……attitude and accepted one liners…as all the evidence needed……then u would be in the wrong for being violent person…………
Some idiot was on about we live in a progressive world…………WHAT■■?………
Technology yes……….Humans no………
Go and look at the evidence of history…and u’ll still find we r doing the same ■■■■ as yester year……….
Fair is fair we have got rid of a lot of rubbish……but at the same time developed a load more………e.g
out of order children………
u can’t do this…u can’t do that….cos some ■■■■ might sue………
u can’t say this…u can say that…might upset the minority……….”oooohhhhh that’s an interesting name on your passport……Binny…Bin Laden…….No need…to remove your veil though…we don’t want to upset u now……do we….carry on…and welcome stupid progressive England”
Lucy…Lucy…Lucy…Lucy and her 30 little ■■■■■■■ dwarf…………….who just loves to dictate to others…how it should be………….in this great beautiful modern day……………of 2007………………and anyone else who doesn’t see things her way……must have a problem…and must be a sexist git………
On trucknet…she comes and ramps her…….
”No Brain….No Flexibility………I’ve got a big chip on my shoulder….cos ‘The Worm hasn’t Turned’………views”
down everyone’s throat……….
if anyone disagrees……and come up with a rational sensible answer…….she picks a little bit out off their argument…and makes some ■■■■■■■■ up…………accusing them of this and that…………
Fairy tale land is so wonderful 
Supersmiley…what utter,pointless and argumentative tosh ( as a driver who is not thick I shall argue without the need for swearing and gramaticaly unecessary periods.)
Enough information was given to make a fair judgement because regardless of Lady Ps mood that day or any other mitigating excuses. The reason is simple my ill educated colleague in that there are no excuses or justification for what happened whatsoever [period].
The posting did clearly not change to a different subject but other “examples” of unacceptable and now uncommon practices in order to reenforce the point being made but obviously not understood by some.
You gave the whole domestic abuse scenario as you thought that would prove you were right but as even more information had been made available by this point you failed to make any relevant impact to your argument…
You then asked us to look at history and concluded that we still do most of the things we did many years ago that are bad. That may be true but in a majority of things we have seen significant improvement in terms of comfort, safety and law. You can’t say something like that as a positive to your argument as you have cited no examples just a random reference to “history”.
I would sooner there were more common sense and personal responsability and less lawyers. Yet if the threat of lawsuits has encouraged employers and the like to be more responsible then we should count that as a positive.
As for the whole muslim veil argument that is something very different and something that I feel is wrong myself.
You then proceed to lambast Lucy, accusing her of it being “her way or no way”. Well my friend this is a discussion forum and indeed she put her point across very well. Without ,I might add, the need for a lot of swearing and personal attack. She also made her point with a semblence of grammer and spelling, something you are clearly incapable of. She gave a fair and rational argument and summation, quoting things of some relevance. Again something your rant failed to achieve. Lastly I ask you this ; did she remove anybodys posts in order to add weight to her side of the argument ?. Answer no, because clearly the majority concencus was in Lady Ps favour, and so it should be.
Congratulations on your innacurate and pointless retort. Perhaps next time you could try to win an argument without resorting to the kind of rubbish in your post.You should instead try some facts and “relevant” examples in order to add weight to your point.Are you the kind of person who believes that the loudest person wins the argument regardless of the accuracy of what they are shouting. Adding lots of dots and swearwords does not enforce a weak argument.
I do fear that you, and you will not be alone in this, will still not grasp the point here though, how sad. Perhaps if the industries future is in the hand of people like you I should consider another career for fear of being “tarred with the same brush”.
Smiley - I have read some real rubbish you have written before but that should really win awards.
So what you disagree with Lucy ■■ It’s a discussion forum, if we all thought the same thing then what would the point of it be. No need to resort to a rambling, irrelevant personal attack.
G
sorry…32 little dwarf…
Awwww…Super-Duper-Smiley-Wiley can’t handle a woman who is strong enough to have a mind of her own, intelligent enough to form an opinion, and articulate enough to persuade others of it’s validity…Therefore Super-Duper-Smiley-Wiley resorts to the only thing he knows, which is playground insults…Unfortunately for him, the woman concerned is adult enough to know when actually he’s run out of better ideas, therefore knows deep down that she’s right…Awwwww, bless…
For those of you who are mature enough to employ sensible arguement, I would say that the example our little friend gave above was innaccurate for some very basic reasons. Mainly concerned with inaccurate assumptions about what WPC Lucy’s reaction to the situation would be. Some were accurate, but incomplete.
So what would the intrepid WPC Lucy have done? Well…For starters she would have been Sergeant Lucy by her age, on account of her time served and obvious ability.
On a serious note, my opinion on the suggested scenario is this: Yes, I think the man was deplorable for hitting the woman, no matter what the circumstances. If it later turned out that the woman had battered the man first it would be equally deplorable, since one thing I have made very clear all the way through this discussion is that I find all violence and aggression unforgiveable, regardless of the genders of those involved. Men hitting men and women hitting women are just as bad too, in my book. And no, self defence doesn’t cut it - that’s just lowering yourself to the same level.
At which point, the obvious counter-arguement is to ask why, in that case, I haven’t lambasted LP for hitting the guy who bent her over. That’s a very interesting question, as it goes, because for some reason I find it understandable and forgiveable in the circumstances. Maybe that’s personal experience colouring my view - I was the victim of ■■■■ at the age of 15, and I didn’t fight back. Maybe, with hindsight, if I had the incident would have ended at the point where LP’s did. I don’t know. But I am prepared to hold my hands up to a little hypocrisy in my view of the self-defence thing under ■■■■■■■■ aggressive circumstances. None of us are perfect.
As for living in a dream world? Possibly. But I am well aware that it is not a true reflection of society as it is.
When I was 16 I was living rough on the streets (long story). I was set upon one day by a lass much bigger and older than myself who kicked 10 balls of crap out of me whilst under the influence of Valium and Special Brew because she was so wrecked that she thought I was someone else. She was wearing steel-toecapped para boots at the time and was standing up to enable her to get a proper swing at me - I was sitting on the ground, and so it was my face which bore the brunt (followed by my hair when she yanked me about by it to survey her handiwork). My reaction to this attack was to simply sit there and let her get it over with. I ended up with severe bruising and swelling, including a cracked cheekbone which has never properly healed to this day. But I’ll tell you something - what I lost physically I gained tenfold in the respect of my fellow dossers that day, and I was never touched or harmed again. The lass involved apologised later, in fact - an event pretty much unknown in that dark and dingy underworld - under pressure from everyone else.
My story doesn’t end there, in fact it took many years for me to drag myself up from the gutter through various bad situations to where I am today. I’m not telling you this stuff to garner sympathy, either - it was all a very long time ago (I’m 30 now) and frankly, on an emotional level, I’m over it. I can talk about it without flinching and relate the many stories without a trace of a tear. It’s in the past. But it does rather succinctly illustrate the fact that I, of all people, know only too well that the reality of life at it’s lower levels bears no resemblance to the values which I now hold so dear.
The important thing, to me, is how you react to such things. Do you simply accept them as being “the way it is” and let them go? Or do you stand up for how wrong they are in the hope that maybe, just maybe, we can one day fulfil the dream of a respect-based world? If just one person has changed their view as a result of this thread, then it has been worth it.
As the old song goes*…“You gotta have a dream; if you don’t have a dream, how you gonna have a dream come true…?”*
Mike-C:
Ha ! You’re some guy Spardo. How about i ‘horseplay’ with your missus?
If she had known and worked with you for 6 months and accepted it as fun and didn’t object, of course it would be ok. If not, she would have made it clear that ignoring her wishes would result in a report. That’s what being workmates means.
In LP’s case not all of us were given the full facts.
Coffee made the point about ‘horseplay’ that was unwelcome to him. He made it clear that it was unwelcome. If he could have done so at that point he wouldn’t have run off to the boss to make a report. He took action himself when his warning was ignored. Fair enough, exactly my point. As far as I knew from the original report the man had tried to bend LP over and she had thumped him and told him to stop. As she said no more happened at that point we can only assume that he did stop. Job done. Why the need to take it further? At that point.
Then we find out later that this is not the first time, so I agreed that reporting the incident was correct. As I had said previously.
Lucy:
I did not make a personal attack, I attacked your opinion,
Lucy:
…not a good excuse for doing nothing. Spardo, you have seriously disappointed me, I thought you had more nouse about you than that.Any male with that view is NOT in fact classed as a man in my book.
I took that as personal, I wonder why you don’t.
Ah. Ok. Had forgotten about that bit… 
Sorry. That was out of order on my part. heat of the moment and all that but still out of order…
Feel free to edit me if you think it needs editing.
Notice it’s gone quiet around ere…since power pads…started blabbing her mouth again…with her littlelife stories…well i ain’t finish yet…
cos i ain’t falling for that one…
Bike ride and i’ll be back…
SuperSmiley:
Notice it’s gone quiet around ere…since power pads…started blabbing her mouth again…with her littlelife stories…well i ain’t finish yet…cos i ain’t falling for that one…
Bike ride and i’ll be back…
Please don’t rush on our account
He’s seriously running out of ideas now, evidently…
SuperSmiley:
Bike ride and i’ll be back…
Must be those cycle shorts cutting off the oxygen supply to his errrmmmmm … Okay now I’m struggling because I was gonna say brain but obviously there isn’t one… 
Is there a rule requiring posters to possess a certain level of inteligence and if not could we have one …
Or that the ink on there licence and birth certificates (where applicable) be dry…
I once saw a cartoon in Private Eye, which featured two men and one woman. The less attractive of the two men was saying to the woman “How come when he does it it’s flirting, but when I do it it’s ■■■■■■ harassment?”
All I can add is that I work in an all-male transport company and I personally would prefer it to stay that way.
i was going to make a jokey comment …till i read Lucy`s paragraph, and it reminded me that the assault took place on a female…in all honesty…we have all made jokes with the people we work with, and i still do today, whether male or female…but…some overstep the mark…maybe its showing off…dont know…maybe some…encourage it…by playing around with colleagues they know better than others…but the fact remains…dont overstep the mark…and he obviously did…
So lady P…dont feel guilty…at least the rest of the workforce know who theyre dealing with now…good luck…
Oooohhh I love this tactic…………Lucy….Lucy………with all her little dwarfs…….all round her……telling bedtime sympathy stories………….arrrhhh how nice………
Well wicked SuperSmiley………ain’t impressed….and couldn’t careless………….(only cos it’s you though)………….
If I’m not correct in say………this is the second time we’ve been in dispute and u’ve used this tactic……i’m sure the last time was….the lady at Tescos Didcot………
Errrmmm whom seems to be running out of ideas here■■?..…….
Yes………you are very strong minded…assertive…but also very narrow minded……talk a lot of ■■■■……actually just like a few dictators…………i’m all sure we can think of ………….
Interestingly with a lot of those dictators………they also had personal issues from their pasts……wanting to correct the world with…………and force their limited views onto everyone else…………
Dare they disagree………choosing to give their views from their observations and experience………………or just what they believe in………………good old nice person dictator comes hunting them down…………telling them how it is and how it should by the testament of their bible……….or they’ll put on a cross………….
Tut…Tut…Lucy…I always notice when you put a post up to fight a losing arguements…it always about your life……how your 30 little dwarfs………love u……do anything thing for u….make u feel so important……nothing outside that…where u have just generally observed people……
Your little dwarfs…have got u up so far in the clouds…you can’t see what really going on…on the ground……in the real world…………
Your argument valid■■?..……….
Only to u…and your followers……….Ady1…hasn’t moved……neither Spardo…………
Me■■?….HA!HA!
We saw things from a different angle……taking into account our (real-life) experiences and views on matters……….just wanted to clarify a few things………upon which we gave Lady P our full support……(have read of my support post)………….some disagreeing whether the bloke should be sacked or not……but at the end of the day………support was with Lady P…………
All was alright until you arrived…and start dictating your view to all as always……(go back to the start)…and trying to tell everyone they’re wrong…
Why didn’t u just come along give your support…respect others views…as said…everyone did support Lady P…and just ■■■■-off…
If someone didn’t support Lady P…then u could have laid in no problem…
Montanaman….Gazz…….come here little ones…let me pat up on your heads….such wonderful replies………….
Time for bed now I think……………better say my prays first though……might have a nightmare from poor Lucy’s story……………