Waiting at Tesco

DAFMAD:
:smiley: This has been posted on onlinetruckers Have a look or copy onto here and get on there and lets prove our case. :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiling_imp: :wink: This could have potential to change things for the better :wink:

:smiley: New post on the Health and Safety site (see above) under Load and Loading Safety titled Health and Safety at RDC’s.
Get your arse over there and join in it needs plenty of contributions, if you want places like Tescos to fall into line, or whatever you want to call it. :smiley: :wink:
It is a little difficult to navigate but persevere. :slight_smile:
Its here for a direct link. :wink:

Have snipped out the direct link to Online Truckers, see note on original post. L. :wink:

Alot of 500 internal server errors on that site Dafman, reminds me of when i starting playing with Apache and Perl :blush:

Oh well it might be working tomorrow :stuck_out_tongue: unless Mr H&S decided it was too dangerous to allow the server to have mains power heh heh heh :smiley: :smiley: :laughing: :smiling_imp: :smiling_imp:

DAFMAD:

DAFMAD:
This has been posted on onlinetruckers Have a look or copy onto here and get on there and lets prove our case. :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue: :smiling_imp: :wink: This could have potential to change things for the better :wink:

:smiley: New post on the Health and Safety site (see above) under Load and Loading Safety titled Health and Safety at RDC’s.
Get your arse over there and join in it needs plenty of contributions, if you want places like Tescos to fall into line, or whatever you want to call it. :smiley: :wink:
It is a little difficult to navigate but persevere. :slight_smile:
Its here for a direct link. :wink:

:open_mouth: :smiley: Right, this site appears to be working OK now, you can log in, post and reply. :open_mouth: :laughing: Get down there and have your say. :wink:

See above. L. :wink:

Can we have an update please Barrie :question: :confused:

Rob K:
Can we have an update please Barrie :question: :confused:

Sorry Rob k not a lot to say at present :cry:
I have had no reply to 2 letters and 2 e/mails, so not one to give in, I have written to Sir Terry Leahy.
Enclosing the previous letters,and emphasising that a Company of Tesco standing should at least have the courtesy to reply to any letters they receive.

It could be that they are in contact with Rikki
Who ever gets things sorted, it will be down to constant letters from the likes of all websites.
So it is important to keep the information coming in, so that I or Rikki can use it to get them to realise it will not go away.

The answer as i see it is simple , if the place your delivering to has reasonable facilities such as toilets drinks and food available alnog with seating then there shouldnt be a problem with leaving the vehicle and keys .
If the palce of delivery offers zilch and still demands keys and you vacate the cab then refuse , even if it means you get kicked off site , you are human after all and not a piece of meat .
I,m glad i dont do tesco rdc’s ( already mentioned up there the company i work for refuses to deliver to them and unfortunatley for tesco its goods they need so they have to come and get it from us with facilities catered for )
Currently i will deliver to either bookers hatfield ( in and out job ) or asda at wigan ( bit of a wait allowed in your cab job ) but asda at wigan offers not much in the way of facilities for the ambient deliveries . A drinks machine and two chairs and a toilet . If they ever start the keys off you vacate the cab thing i will refuse to deliver there for a start and even if they send me i will get booted out for non compliance …

Stand up for yourselves thats what i say no-one else will do it for you ( at the moment )

paul@midway:
The answer as i see it is simple ,
Stand up for yourselves thats what i say no-one else will do it for you ( at the moment )

I agree with your sentiments, but
Not all drivers that deliver to Tesco have a lot of choice in the matter and get no backing from their bosses.
With all the goings on at Tesco have we seen one Company offer any help in getting something done.
No
Once again it is being left to drivers to fight their corner because our bosses have got no back bone or are scared of losing a job.
Luckily we have places like T/N to make our views Known and someone like Rikki to address them.

After my post above, I have just received this anonimous contact :arrow_right:

I have noticed your campaign regarding the new H & S rules affecting drivers delivering to Tesco RDC’s and can assure you that several large transport companies are vigorously pursuing this ill thought through rule on behalf of their drivers. I cannot openly reveal who I am or who the companies involved are at this stage as it may cause commercial difficulties in terms of adverse publicity. I would appreciate it if you would let drivers know that there are still employers who care about them and their welfare - we just cannot openly advertise our involvement if we wish the campaign to be a success.

You can make up your own mind on this.
My personel view :arrow_right:
Are the Companies that the e/mail refers to so scared of upsetting Tesco that they need to remain anominous,
and why can they not back up drivers fighting for their rights and let us know what they are doing “anominously”

Can I point out the contact came to me and not TrucknetUK.

:neutral_face:

Can I point out on here as on my site.
Any contact that I receive in confidence by a “driver” or “Boss” will remain in confidence.
An anonimous contact is not in confidence.
No details are ever released to a third party without the persons permission.

If there is a joint method of getting Tesco to co-operate, then lets do it together??

bazman:
Can I point out on here as on my site.
Any contact that I receive in confidence by a “driver” or “Boss” will remain in confidence.
An anonimous contact is not in confidence.
No details are ever released to a third party without the persons permission.

If there is a joint method of getting Tesco to co-operate, then lets do it together??

dont spend money in there stores, maybe get others to do the same?

bazman:
[I have had no reply to 2 letters and 2 e/mails, so not one to give in, I have written to Sir Terry Leahy.
Enclosing the previous letters,and emphasising that a Company of Tesco standing should at least have the courtesy to reply to any letters they receive.

That’s the way to do it. Has worked for me on more than one occasion.

Quote Paul
The answer as i see it is simple , if the place your delivering to has reasonable facilities such as toilets drinks and food available alnog with seating then there shouldnt be a problem with leaving the vehicle and keys .

Don’t agree Paul, if I am waiting for hours I don’t care how good the facilities are, I want to use the time to do what I want in my own home. And that means reading, writing, cleaning, or sleeping, in my cab.

Salut, David.

But then what you do david is phone the company your working for to cancel your next job that was due after tesco or any other place or pull you out .
Obviously this wont apply to people unfortunate enough to work for companies with no balls …Or even refuse to stay there any longer due to family commitments , and yes you can do that …
Thats the reason why the company i work for wont deliver , it was costing the company money all down to lost time and other deliveries not being made that were scheduled for that day …all because of up there own backside tesco …

bazman:
and why can they not back up drivers fighting for their rights and let us know what they are doing “anominously”

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But isn’t that excactly what they’ve just done ■■

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Jo

paul@midway:
But then what you do david is phone the company your working for to cancel your next job that was due after tesco or any other place or pull you out .

Didn’t say what I would or wouldn’t do Paul, merely compared your ‘wish list’ with my own.
I was only faced with this situation at one place and complied when I couldn’t get away with doing otherwise. It’s either do that or jack the job, and I wasn’t ready to do that.
Doesn’t mean I have to like it though.

Salut, David.

Is this a permanant change of H&E policy by the mighty all poweful Tesco or just a blip until they get us a portakabin?? Delivered to Middleton last night and was asked to hang my keys on the bay door, no mention of staying out of the cab. The notice on the goods in window says no drivers allowed in the warehouse and stay out of your cab until tipped.
I told my wife along time ago that if I found anything in our house from Tesco she would not get any housekeeping money for six months. :wink:

Some recent observations on this subject.

Tesco Harlow (Chill 1). Instruction leaflet readily available. Off to the canteen (or smoke room), and either leave a mobile number or they will call you on the tannoy.

Facilities. Reasonable. Chairs with upholstered seats. Basic but functional. Not exactly a ‘restful’ experience, but neither is it uncomfortable.

On the other hand,

Tesco Middleton. I’m sorry to say that the situation there gives credit to the premise that ‘a Northerner is an Irishman with their brains kicked out’ :laughing:

Taped up at the window are the ‘Site Rules’, possibly somewhere in the region of a thousand words on a page double the size of an A4 sheet. About three-quarters of the way through it there is mention that drivers may not remain in cabs. However, there is no mention of, from what I saw, what drivers should do.

They appear not to have developed a method whereby a driver is notified that his vehicle has been ‘tipped’. Consequently, this results in a situation whereby drivers, either singularly or in groups, are meandering between the smoking huts, the drinks machines, the vicinity of their vehicles, and so on.

Inside the building is a notice to their own staff that anyone wishing to move between Chill 1 and Chill 2, should use an internal route and not go via the yard. I interpret this as being an acknowledgement that the ‘Yard’ is a hostile environment with regard to safety.

The following appears on the HSE website.

A logistics group was fined £180,000 for failing to safely manage the transport system at one of its depots, when a reversing vehicle killed an employee.
The company was fined £60,000 for each of the three offences:
· failure to provide and maintain a safe system of work;
· failure to plan, monitor or review safety control procedures;
· failure to provide suitable and sufficient traffic routes at its site and yard.
It was also ordered to pay £19,634.40 costs.
The pedestrian shunter died of multiple injuries after a reversing tractor unit at the depot struck him from behind. Neither the driver of the vehicle nor the deceased was aware of the others movements until it was too late. The tractor did not have a reversing beeper and its hazard lights were not on.
Other factors included the lack of an enforcement system to stop tractors reversing across the pedestrian walkway; absence of a banksman (signaller); inadequate lighting of the yard; inadequate risk assessment of the vehicles movement; lack of an enforced policy to wear high-visibility vests; inadequate training in health and safety matters.

Immediately, I can see what are perhaps two breaches of Health & Safety Legislation, namely,

Failure to provide and maintain a safe system of work;
Failure to plan, monitor or review safety control procedures.

on the basis that there is no ‘system’ of informing a driver of when his load has been discharged other than for him to keep returning to the vehicle to view the bay lights.

If I then quote from the HSE publication, INDG148, Reversing Vehicles, which states,

exclude people from the area in which vehicles are permitted to reverse:
where the need to reverse is unavoidable, try to specify and clearly mark areas
where reversing is permitted. Ensure that your system of work prevents
people from unnecessarily entering these danger areas. Try to design and
construct the areas so that demarcation lines can be seen by drivers and
pedestrians who may need to enter. Consider creating ‘vehicle only areas’ and
preventing workers and visiting drivers from entering this zone by using
barriers with warning signs. When high visibility clothing is worn by people
near reversing vehicles it will considerably improve their safety.

Clearly, the procedures in place at this RDC do not exclude people from the area. In fact, quite the contrary. The best way to exclude drivers, is to leave them in their cabs. Failing that, devise a system, such as has been accomplished at Harlow, where the driver is removed to a ‘sterile’ location.

Whilst I have little knowledge of the background to these recent changes, what little I do know suggests that the instruction has been ‘handed down from upon high’ from someone at Tesco. Now, as far as I know, Tesco is not a haulier. Their operations are run by ‘Logistics’ companies. Primarily, Exel and Wincanton whom, I suspect are also none too happy at these changes. Rikki has made reference to an incident at Welham Green, which, if my sources are correct, was an Eastern European driver, who, awakening from slumber, looked in the ‘wrong’ mirror, and saw a green light. Additionally, here on TNUK, we have had one of our own contributors relate an incident at Middlewich.

Patently, little thought has been given (by Tesco) as to how these changes in operating procedure can be implemented within existing working environments. Perhaps the person responsible is a new appointee, out to make a name for themselves? The name that springs to my mind is a term immortalised by Jasper Carrot.

the basic problem here is that tesco/sainsbury/asda/morissons,safeway all have differant logistics firms running thier rdc/ndc,s and when i was driving i delivered to all of em and not one had the same h&s rules when it came to drivers exel did it one way wincanton or whoever did it another i could tip at one tesco and sit in the cab with my keys i go to another run by a differant contrctor and i have to sit in a room with a wooden bench and a coffee machine that dont work.i was thinking about coming back on the road again in the new year but after reading this topic i dont think i,ll bother cuz its still as bad as it ever was

I was at Tesco’s Daventry this morning (import centre) and was shown where the canteen was, along with another driver by the very helpful female goods in office clerk and another youngish lad. Both were extremely pleasant and chatty and upon asking about the requirement to wait outside your vehicle they didn’t know anything about it and as far as they were concerned you could wait whether you wanted, in cab or not and there was no requirement to hand in your keys either, just that (quote) we trust you drivers to use your common sense and NOT drive off on a red light!! (unquote).

The experience was pretty enjoyable ( :exclamation: ), and even more shocking as it’s Tesco we’re talking about. Would happy go there again to tip.

I understand from the other driver I was with that Tesco’s at Kiln Farm, MK, allow you to use the canteen too but having never been myself, I can’t confirm this.

Rob. I’m still waiting for maps reagrding your extensive knowledge. :laughing:

Kiln Farm. Didn’t know it was still there. Went there some years ago and the canteen was definately out of bounds. After about 6 hours (and some drivers had been there longer) a group of us decided to walk to the chip shop down the road. Security didn’t really want us to leave the site, but as we outnumbered them by about four to one, and we weren’t in the mood for discussion, they thought better of it.