Voting With Your Feet (Update: Gone)

Handed my notice in Friday, its a long one - I said I would be happy to work until the end of May, I thought this was being helpful by providing them with ample time in which to source a replacement and possibly some overlap for on the job training if they wish. This also suits me as there is not a lot about at the moment, and will also coincide with a my reaching the magic 25 which should provide more options for driving jobs.

I’m not after a sympathy vote or anything :wink: , I’ve made my decision based on the situation, and several others preceeding it. It’s a shame I think because some days its quite a nice little number, off the beaten track, down the backroads, nice scenery etc. But that can’t make up for me constantly getting injured and taking unpaid time off, the wages are also not at all transparent, so you never quite know if you are being paid properly. It’s always been enough money so i’ve never really kicked up.

Some of you may have followed the various overweight saga’s on here a while back, so thats another good reason, because it still happens far too regularly. I’m on my own a bit with that, because the ones who haven’t ever been caught are massively blase about it as you tend to be.

The major problems are the weights i’m expected to deliver on my own by hand, into difficult positions. I have no pension, and nor am I ever likely to have given the rent or buy trap my generation finds itself in, leaving precious little cash spare. So i’ve got to maintain my health somehow in order to work for the next 40 years, and then probably until I die. Once you screw your back up, there is no return. Given my qualifications, or distinct lack thereof, I will be driving in some variation for the forseeable.

I was, however, after the opinions of some on here about the general job. It’s £8.80/hr so relatively high for 7.5tonners, I guess, doesn’t cover the risk involved though in my opinion. Would you do it?

Big bales of hay, straw and silage. The silage weighs minimum 250kg each, the big bale hay and straw is at least 300kg+. We deliver to end user so its expected to go through doorways, up steps, stacked into barns etc etc. You know how little clue joe public has about the realities of delivering stuff. Most of the elevated classes we deliver to have never actually had a job in their lives.




Gets loaded on with a tractor if one is available, if not we have to park up next to a high stack, climb up, push it on ourselves and hope for a lucky bounce. We can use the forklift to sort the stack out a bit if its squiffy, but you have to be careful about piercing the silage bales, and it can’t really get much of a purchase on the hay and straw.

Comes off by hand, 99% of the time. Here are a couple of clever/stupid ideas i’ve had to use to get some bales where I want them;

Tying onto a barn and carefully driving away to drag the bale along the bed, so hopefully I can reverse it into place and push it off. Hoping you don’t pull the barn down. A crane would have sorted this.

Trying to recover a mouldy bale (olympic weight lifters deadlift less than this, so there weren’t many options), tying onto the skip, running the strap over the top of the cab, attach to the bale, reverse back slowly, using the pallet as some kind of ramp, and it drags the bale up. You hope, usually takes more than 1 go. A crane would have sorted this as well, cheaper option would be a winch.

Most of the time its attempting to roll them about - we have no sack trolleys, there simply isn’t a manual handling technique for this, you just apply brute force and hope it moves before your back does. Lost count of the amount of mornings i’ve had to be assisted out of bed, or recovered from the sofa due to not being able to move. Ok, so 20-30 years ago, this would have been normal carry on, but times have changed, and while there is equipment available (such as a HIAB) i’m simply saving my employer money at the expense of my back. I think thats called being a doormat.

The more succesful deliveries you make, the more the customer will expect the following time, Guaranteed. I am surprised Murphy hasn’t published some kind of law to this effect.

I laid down in my resignation letter that these items should be delivered by lorry mounted crane to the extent of the cranes reach, and no further. If the customer wants more then they need to arrange for mechanical handling equipment at their end, or we should be able to offer it (crane/moffat). I suggested that if we are going to be doing this kind of work, we should have procedures and equipment in place that allows us to meet the demand of the customer. At the moment everything is a bodge, but as long as the work is completed what incentive have they for introducing a change? I sent them links to a couple of cheap trucks with cranes from Walker Movements, around the £8k mark, that is by no means a prohibitive cost for a bouyant company, one would suppose.

I don’t elevate myself because I can drive articulated. I’ll do whatever pays, I’m not afraid of manual handling, quite the contrary, I work hard and i’ll do small bale hay or 20kg bagged feed all day long, and regularly do. I enjoy a good work out (saves a gym membership), as long as its within the limits of common sense. I just want a job where I can run legal, without killing myself physically.

I’m probably a bit of an idealist still, and being young-ish most peoples’ opinion is what the hell do I know. Maybe they are right.

:arrow_right: Be interested to hear your thoughts, good or bad, on anything i’ve mentioned.

The right choice or am I throwing away a perfectly good (well paid?) job for some trivial crusade.

Thanks folks.

You only get one shot here mate,you gotta do whats right for you,
I walked away from a good well paid job-train driver-because I was sick of not knowing where I was with shift work,and not getting to see my granddaughter grow up.
Never listen to your doubts,go with your gut feeling,if it feels right it probably is.
Good luck with what ever you do mate,hope it goes well.
Simon :sunglasses:

I can understand you wanting to leave the job, but I would personally have found another job before quitting this one, the job sounds like a nightmare, but it pays your bills, I had a job multi dropping steal around the south of England and that sometimes involved unloading very heavy lumps of steal without cranes etc, I ended up with a bad back through frequent straining and bad lifting, it has got better over the years, but still causes problems sometimes. Good luck in finding new employment.

Looks like the right choice to me… These firms are the dinasoars of the transport world, and I guess that they won’t change unless they have to.

This kind of work was common in the 60s when I started but even then good employers were fitting tail lifts and cranes. I worked one day for a haulier (long defunct) when they sent me to a farm with 3000 clay drain pipes - all handballed into a field in the pouring rain. Of course jobs were easy to get in those days but there is no sense in risking your health for a few bob.

It is always easier to get a job if you’ve already got one. Get networking and don’t be shy to approach any likely local firm. If you get an offer then don’t even think about obligations to this guy - a weeks notice and off to (hopefully) better things.

I am sure that everyone here will wish you all the best - and we look forward to some diarys that don’t involve hay :smiley:

you’ll get another job mate, but will you get as good a motor as your current wheels■■?
Seriously though…you want something a lot easier than this, how about a stand in for a cart horse pulling landaus on Blackpool prom? :laughing: :laughing:

i would of walked 1st day i can see someone possibly being killed here whatever the item ton of feathers ton of bricks ,if it falls on you etc good luck ,i have walked from 3 jobs and found others straight away dont let people on here tell you you shouldnt leave till you find other employment ,because i guarrantee if they were offerd your job tomorrow and it was all there was they would never do it

Fair play to this guy as most come on moaning about there jobs, there quitting because its that bad and expect sympathy… This guys come on, with PROOF that his job is CRAP and looking for advice. Theres no denying that either A- youll be the worlds next strongest man by the time your 40 or B - Youll likely be paralysed due to your back giving in… It wouldnt be a bad job if you had some sort of forklift at hand all the time…

scottishcruiser:
Fair play to this guy as most come on moaning about there jobs, there quitting because its that bad and expect sympathy… This guys come on, with PROOF that his job is CRAP and looking for advice. Theres no denying that either A- youll be the worlds next strongest man by the time your 40 or B - Youll likely be paralysed due to your back giving in… It wouldnt be a bad job if you had some sort of forklift at hand all the time…

it’s strange, any time I’ve done straw ( and from knowing several people on straw) if there wasn’t a tractor or loader it wasn’t delivered ! ( except once when the farmers tractor wouldn’t reach the top of the load so he went up and pushed them off )

Wildgoose, good luck finding a new job :sunglasses: :sunglasses: :sunglasses:

why do they not upgrade their trucks and have a Moffat or
crane fitted, surely the costs would be recovered quickly
due to the unloading ,loading times being shortened, and as you
said make the drivers less prone to industrial work injury’s which
will cost them when a employer takes them before a tribunal.

Good luck in your search for a better job. I used to work hay and straw during the summer months about 20 years ago. (that makes me feel old!).

I really can’t imagine them paying out for a 7.5 tonner with a hiab because it would affect the payload too much. If they went up to a class 2 wagon then they would restrict the number of people who could work for them.

I must admit that Daf looks like it is on it’s last legs though. What does it drive like?

Don’t blame you for leaving mate, looks like the firms cutting corners at the expense of the workforce, health and safety would have a field day there :confused:

At least you’ve got til may to find another job, hopefully it’ll have picked up by then and no doubt you’ll get an easier job, end of the day you gotta look after number one :sunglasses:

Good luck finding a new job. I don’t blame you at all for jacking - job looks like a nightmare. Congratulations on putting your case across and giving us an idea of just how hard the job is.

When you have to start using props and bits of scenery to unload then its probably time to move on. :wink:

you have just proved to me that necessity is the mother of all invention.get out of that job. you have got common sense. finding another job aint going to be that difficult for you.

And I thought my job was bad!!

Seriously, good luck in your search for a new job. I think you have made the right decision in quitting.

:open_mouth: OMG :open_mouth:

Hi WildGoose, I can’t help but agree with the other posters on this topic, what a crap job!! :frowning:

As bad as that job is for breaching so many H&S laws, I’d caution you to be careful how you leave that firm, cos you might need a reference from them. :wink:

IMHO, I’m surprised that the HSE haven’t caught up with him yet, cos the guy look to me as if he’s having a laugh at the expense of your health. I honestly think you’re best off out of it mate. :smiling_imp:

:open_mouth: Does your boss also offer a chimney cleaning service using small children as labour :question:

I’d like to wish you good luck in your search for a proper job. :smiley:

As far as I remember, you’re not allowed to lift those weights on your own or without mechanical assistance.

Personally, I’d quit and take them to an employment tribuneral for constructive dismissal stating that they have forced you out of the job by not observing legal requirements such as vehicle weight and manual handling regs.

You’re doing the right thing, that looks like a nightmare. At least you’ve given yourself some time to find something else and have an open mind. I have class 1, but drive white Mercedes vans because it’s good hours and decent money. And I’ve nearly been done for overweight-it was a close call, never again!

dieseldave:
:open_mouth: Does your boss also offer a chimney cleaning service using small children as labour :question:

I’d like to wish you good luck in your search for a proper job. :smiley:

I’d agree with just about every post in this thread.

I seem now to be at the very opposite end of the scale to you WildGoose. In that when a customer hands me a ridiculous short set of 18 inch bolt croppers for me to cut off a bolt seal from a container, I make one, and one only, attempt, at arms length, to cut the seal. If doesn’t go like a hot knife through soft butter I just simply hand back the cropper and say that either the croppers aren’t up to the job or I’m just simply not strong enough. Their usual response says much more about them, than it does me. If they want me in the back of a box to “assist” then it’s forty of their earth pounds out their pocket into my hand - in advance.

I have to say — I’m rather impressed by your aptitude and application. And please don’t misunderstand me, in the past I’ve cut threads with a die held in pliers and had a piece of string attached to wipers, threaded round and through the cab, in order to “keep going and get the job done” They’re just a couple of examples.

But I’m rapidly approaching the ages you refer to where the aches and pains of my youth are turning into complications of normal everyday life. And my response to jobs such as the one you describe carried out in the manner you describe is quite simply . . . . . . . . . .

Them days is gone.

Get out, and get out now.

scottishcruiser:
Fair play to this guy as most come on moaning about there jobs, there quitting because its that bad and expect sympathy… This guys come on, with PROOF that his job is CRAP and looking for advice. Theres no denying that either A- youll be the worlds next strongest man by the time your 40 or B - Youll likely be paralysed due to your back giving in… It wouldnt be a bad job if you had some sort of forklift at hand all the time.

I,m 100% in agreement with SC on what he says in his post.

WildGoose:
Given my qualifications, or distinct lack thereof, I will be driving in some variation for the forseeable.
Don.t sell yourself short on that front. I know people who are in managerial positions ,who could not articulate their case as well as you have just done. Get a CV drawn up, complete with pictures. Post it off to some of the big companies. You never know;someone might appreciate the fact that you have Brain -and Brawn- a rare combination, and give you the start.

With regard to what to do insofar as this job is concerned;You have been given some sound, sensible advice by a number of posters on here. give it some thought.

Good Luck. You deserve it.

Good honest graft, that is what is all about, but the first time you pull a barn down, you can guarantee the farmer or bit of totty will have parked her new Range Rover Vogue or Porsche under it :laughing:

With mention of clay drainage pipes, my mate used to drive a Unimog pulling a 40’ trailer. Every morning he drove to Escrick and loaded a full shoot of landtiles using a converted fork :stuck_out_tongue: Basically an old beet fork with a tine removed and rubber hose stretched over the prongs.

2010 now folks :smiley: