Voting With Your Feet (Update: Gone)

WildGoose:
Handed my notice in Friday, its a long one - I said I would be happy to work until the end of May, I thought this was being helpful by providing them with ample time in which to source a replacement and possibly some overlap for on the job training if they wish. This also suits me as there is not a lot about at the moment, and will also coincide with a my reaching the magic 25 which should provide more options for driving jobs.

I’m not after a sympathy vote or anything :wink: , I’ve made my decision based on the situation, and several others preceeding it. It’s a shame I think because some days its quite a nice little number, off the beaten track, down the backroads, nice scenery etc. But that can’t make up for me constantly getting injured and taking unpaid time off, the wages are also not at all transparent, so you never quite know if you are being paid properly. It’s always been enough money so i’ve never really kicked up.

Some of you may have followed the various overweight saga’s on here a while back, so thats another good reason, because it still happens far too regularly. I’m on my own a bit with that, because the ones who haven’t ever been caught are massively blase about it as you tend to be.

The major problems are the weights i’m expected to deliver on my own by hand, into difficult positions. I have no pension, and nor am I ever likely to have given the rent or buy trap my generation finds itself in, leaving precious little cash spare. So i’ve got to maintain my health somehow in order to work for the next 40 years, and then probably until I die. Once you screw your back up, there is no return. Given my qualifications, or distinct lack thereof, I will be driving in some variation for the forseeable.

I was, however, after the opinions of some on here about the general job. It’s £8.80/hr so relatively high for 7.5tonners, I guess, doesn’t cover the risk involved though in my opinion. Would you do it?

Big bales of hay, straw and silage. The silage weighs minimum 250kg each, the big bale hay and straw is at least 300kg+. We deliver to end user so its expected to go through doorways, up steps, stacked into barns etc etc. You know how little clue joe public has about the realities of delivering stuff. Most of the elevated classes we deliver to have never actually had a job in their lives.




Gets loaded on with a tractor if one is available, if not we have to park up next to a high stack, climb up, push it on ourselves and hope for a lucky bounce. We can use the forklift to sort the stack out a bit if its squiffy, but you have to be careful about piercing the silage bales, and it can’t really get much of a purchase on the hay and straw.

Comes off by hand, 99% of the time. Here are a couple of clever/stupid ideas i’ve had to use to get some bales where I want them;

Tying onto a barn and carefully driving away to drag the bale along the bed, so hopefully I can reverse it into place and push it off. Hoping you don’t pull the barn down. A crane would have sorted this.

Trying to recover a mouldy bale (olympic weight lifters deadlift less than this, so there weren’t many options), tying onto the skip, running the strap over the top of the cab, attach to the bale, reverse back slowly, using the pallet as some kind of ramp, and it drags the bale up. You hope, usually takes more than 1 go. A crane would have sorted this as well, cheaper option would be a winch.

Most of the time its attempting to roll them about - we have no sack trolleys, there simply isn’t a manual handling technique for this, you just apply brute force and hope it moves before your back does. Lost count of the amount of mornings i’ve had to be assisted out of bed, or recovered from the sofa due to not being able to move. Ok, so 20-30 years ago, this would have been normal carry on, but times have changed, and while there is equipment available (such as a HIAB) i’m simply saving my employer money at the expense of my back. I think thats called being a doormat.

The more succesful deliveries you make, the more the customer will expect the following time, Guaranteed. I am surprised Murphy hasn’t published some kind of law to this effect.

I laid down in my resignation letter that these items should be delivered by lorry mounted crane to the extent of the cranes reach, and no further. If the customer wants more then they need to arrange for mechanical handling equipment at their end, or we should be able to offer it (crane/moffat). I suggested that if we are going to be doing this kind of work, we should have procedures and equipment in place that allows us to meet the demand of the customer. At the moment everything is a bodge, but as long as the work is completed what incentive have they for introducing a change? I sent them links to a couple of cheap trucks with cranes from Walker Movements, around the £8k mark, that is by no means a prohibitive cost for a bouyant company, one would suppose.

I don’t elevate myself because I can drive articulated. I’ll do whatever pays, I’m not afraid of manual handling, quite the contrary, I work hard and i’ll do small bale hay or 20kg bagged feed all day long, and regularly do. I enjoy a good work out (saves a gym membership), as long as its within the limits of common sense. I just want a job where I can run legal, without killing myself physically.

I’m probably a bit of an idealist still, and being young-ish most peoples’ opinion is what the hell do I know. Maybe they are right.

:arrow_right: Be interested to hear your thoughts, good or bad, on anything i’ve mentioned.

The right choice or am I throwing away a perfectly good (well paid?) job for some trivial crusade.

Thanks folks.

mate thats slavery you would wprk less and earn more money on the buses and as for that extended notice ■■■■ that and the firm get out now

Tough to give up a job without one to go to in this poor economic climate, I’d be the first to agree.

However, think about this…my old man is now 73…he was a self-employed truck driver for over 45 years. Most of his work, especially in the early days was hand-ball…16 tonner, 10 tonne payload carrying bagged grain, sugar, flour, rusks and other such food…all loade and unloaded by the driver every day. Other ‘specialities’ of his were brick/tile fireplaces and piano removals (three men…him at one end and two at the other)…he done all of the very heavy hand-ball stuff no one wanted to do all over the UK. Seemed the right thing to do at the time I guess.

Point of this tale…dad now has severe osteoporosis, osteoarthritis and a heart condition. In layman’s terms he’s knackered due to the type of work he carried out for a long time. Doctors tell him his knees and back are shot but he can’t have any operations to address as his heart won’t take it. They give him the most ridiculously strong painkillers (scary ones) and the heart medication, that’s it…get on with it.

Forget the hand-balling jobs…they ain’t worth it. Get a gym membership and move heavy weights in a safe and controlled manner!

You’re a wise chap for giving it up. I agree with all you’ve said, it’s not worth it. You employer is taking the wee by expecting you to do such things. It’s downright dangerous and there are authorities who should be made aware of what’s going on (whether they do anything is another matter…).

Best of luck with finding a new job.

I must admit that Daf looks like it is on it’s last legs though. What does it drive like?

It’s a heap. I’m not sure if I posted a while back on here when a wheel made a bid for freedom. It’s an unrestricted P-reg so its rather quick, but its a real bone shaker especially empty which again doesn’t help with back pain. The engine pulls exceptionally well for a 130, someone has bothered with oil changes at some point though not at our place I should add, it is just about to go round the clock (assuming it hasn’t been round once already :wink: ).

It’s being phased out (and not before time) in favour of an Iveco cargo tector, the arse end of which can be seen in the second to last pic. Aside from the air seat which is a breath of fresh air, the gearbox is the worst i’ve come across and bits fall off the rest of it regularly. The Iveco cab is larger/higher and has more useful storage, but there is a lot more plastic on the outside and it’s generally much lower slung which is bad, especially off road.

Great to read all the comments, been feeling a bit low this evening, slight dread about going back in tomorrow and facing them all. Your kind words have given me a lift.

Thanks for the support.

All the best.

Looking at the pictures I reckon you were right to leave, somebody is going to get hurt one day having to use buildings and skips etc to help you load and unload.

Where ar the H.andS. brigade when you need them?I would suggest not using straps on barns as that building looks poorly maintained. When not if you pull one down there will be no understanding farmers.

Well written, good to read, very interesting.

Where do your doubts come from? The need to invent your own primitive tools to move the bales describes the ■■■■■■■■ of the job very well. I cannnot see a reason for not having a crane for this job (apart from investment aversion). You are looking at the bottom of the range, 1-1.5tm, these things can move 300kg to about 3-5m and weigh about 400kg themselves - that’s not a massive impact on payload either.

Anyway, congratulations to your decision - right in my view. And good luck with job hunting.

Thinking a bit deviously…could you not have an ‘accident’ and arrange for the H&S people to be there…

Usually, I hate the blame /claim cluture but I think your boss needs a kick up the arse and you could do with some compo for all the crap you’ve had to put up with.

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hse you might break a finger nail.
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aint you the one for a shock.
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WELL DONE

wildgoose…looking at the photos your boss should of gone to B&Q theres far nicer sheds down there,than that thing your expected to drive.And by the fact your tackeing it out on the public highways with LARGE baile silage on,and then expected to unload by hand!!!. I would love to know who you drive for. because having done hay & staw for the past 30 odd years ,ill personaly phone him, and tell the a**e where to stick his job.Or you could load it with big bailes and set light to it, or drive it to the closest ( VOSA) station :smiling_imp: and give them your bosses details :laughing:

mate you should get health and safety in this is 2010 not 1950 you might do this if it was your own lorry but not someone else unless he is paying you a £1000 a week get real mate you might just as well work in B&Q good luck though

I cringe now when I think of the kinds of things I used to lift, pull etc, in my younger days because I worked for people who wouldn’t provide the proper equipment and because I was naive and stupid.

Well I’m 40 now and I’m already paying for it. Plagued by hernias and back problems and I’m told my knees are going.

I now have to be careful about the kind of work I do which has made things all the more difficult, particularly in this economic climate.

I do trunking, which is about all I can do now and pulling the curtains back and forth is about as strenuous as I can manage.

Never mind waiting till May you need to get out of that job now, before you end up a ‘raspberry ripple’ and fit for nothing.

Your post shows you to be hard working, articulate and resourceful - an asset to any future employer.

Any job would be better than what you’re doing now. Don’t jeopardise your health.

I guess this is where I do the sheepish tail between the legs bit. :frowning:

Over the past 3 months, i’ve dropped over 50 CV’s, been to a dozen interviews, and turned down for a dozen more. Not one has yielded anything, and for no good reason what’s more. Most just refuse to return your phone calls, which I find particularly frustrating if not rude. They are keen as mustard before the interview.

If there is something I can improve other than my age, and limited experience, then I am all for working on it.

So I have made noises to the boss man about staying on, as reality bites and I still need to pay the mortgage.

Interestingly, we have had a health and safety consultant in, to show us various nonsense videos and get us to sign a few forms. Apparently sack trucks were recommended to solve all our problems, which I think is a joke, but as of yet none have been forthcoming. At £250 a pop for quality heavy duty sack tracks, I can’t say I am surprised, when there is all kind of fuss kicked up when we require a simple ratchet strap replacement.

Magically loads of pathetic laminated signs have popped up everywhere to comply with our new outlook. Mostly just saying: everything is at your own risk, which seems to me to be a nice get out clause for our employers and of no real benefit to those of us at the coal face.

Last week we had environmental health tip up; they revealed they had been spying on us and that our forklift driving is abysmal and we need to sort it out. Our solution for their official visit was to hide to dodgy nackered forklift round the back of a barn, and contract hire in a shiny new one :unamused: Apparently they will be back.

None of the above benefits the actual employees at all, so we are still precisely where we were. Which leaves me with little to no faith in health and safety. It is clearly just a case of ticking boxes and white-washing the facts, as I always feared it would be.

Meanwhile I am servicing my own truck when not driving it much like Stanley Baker in Hell Drivers (out of necessity; if I don’t do it, it doesn’t happen). I might add I don’t mind this so much, as I have a passing interest in spannering, and he is still paying by the hour.

The search is still on for other jobs, but I am tiring of getting my time wasted. Finishing work early to drive up to 30 miles for an interview where they will humour you, and then never consider following you up.

Thanks for all the previous comments folks, wishing you all the best.

All I can say is that i had some really c**p jobs when I was your age in the mid to late 80s ( now have a dodgy back and a fractured foot (healed) that kicks off when its cold) but things do always change at some point. Just wanted to say, keep going, keep trying, you come across as articulate and willing, maybe when you cross the 25 mark it will make a difference.

WildGoose:
So I have made noises to the boss man about staying on, as reality bites and I still need to pay the mortgage.

I appreciate your need to continue earning money Wildgoose, but you do realise you’re simply compounding your own problem… and your attitude is starting to make me angry!

WildGoose:
Last week we had environmental health tip up; they revealed they had been spying on us and that our forklift driving is abysmal and we need to sort it out. Our solution for their official visit was to hide to dodgy nackered forklift round the back of a barn, and contract hire in a shiny new one :unamused: Apparently they will be back.

None of the above benefits the actual employees at all, so we are still precisely where we were. Which leaves me with little to no faith in health and safety. It is clearly just a case of ticking boxes and white-washing the facts, as I always feared it would be.

If everything you write here is true, then this “employer” should not be in business! And you should not be expected to work the way you describe, and I’m sorry to say it, but your actions are making it more likely that someone, be they employee or innocent member of the public, is going to get seriously hurt. Or worse.

You say you need to pay your mortgage, but what about the children of the mother who gets killed by your, by the look of it, badly maintained truck? Or by the collapsing building that you’ve been using as a way of tipping your load? Do they deserve to lose their mother, because you “…need to pay your mortgage…” Hopefully, you understand what I’m saying here! And it won’t be your boss that’s standing in the dock, he’s got some nice new H&S signs up absolving him of all responsibility!

The only reason your boss is not spending the necessary money for the right equipment is because what profit he’s making, is going straight into his own pocket.

Yes, I know you’ll say, “If I didn’t do the job someone else would…” And that’s precisely why your boss should be put out of business before he kills someone, who doesn’t deserve to be killed or seriously injured, by such blatant and irresponsible disregard for the most basic forms of safety!

If he’s not making enough money to do the job properly, then he hasn’t negotiated correctly, and his customers should also be held liable for any damages and liabilities, caused by this joke of a transport operation.

In addition, if this is supposed to be some sort of “business” then it’s doing the industry no favours at all, and is simply reinforcing what people already think about the transport sector.

Personally, if I had any way of identifying who your “boss” was, I’d be calling not just the H&S executive, but the more sensationalist papers and giving them a tip of that here, (your boss/company/truck) is the proverbial accident waiting to happen!

If you had any self respect, you’d do it yourself!

WildGoose:
Not one has yielded anything, and for no good reason what’s more. Most just refuse to return your phone calls, which I find particularly frustrating if not rude. They are keen as mustard before the interview.

Oh, and ask yourself why you’ve not had a job offer from the however many interviews you’ve had? That’s, “Not one has yielded anything, and for no good reason what’s more…” from your point of view. Why were they “as keen as mustard” before the interview, but not after it?

Maybe you need to take a longer look in the mirror… You never know, it might just save someone’s life! And if I’m driving down the opposite side of the road to you one day, it might even be mine!

Wild ■■■■■ could write an annonymous letter to Vosa. and back it up with a phone call from a call box no need to leave your name. As other posters have said get it sorted for everyones sake.

If you are getting interviews but not jobs then maybe you should think about what you are doing wrong. For example: I bet most of them ask why you are leaving the job you have. If you give them the tale you tell on here then it would make you look like a right moaner (even if you are telling the truth). You have to tell an employer what they want to hear - You are 25 and it’s time for a change; You have always wanted to drive whatever.

I have interviewed drivers who were their own worst enemies - One told me that he’d had a punch-up with his forman; another said he’d beed fired for shagging the boss’s teenage daughter. I am not saying you should lie, but you have to put up a front - just like your local MP is doing right now.

Sorry that you’ve struggled to get another job, like has been said maybe look at your interview technique as obviously your CV is upto scratch and you age isn’t a problem or you wouldn’t get to the interview stage.

Sadly these type of business seem to be able to get round checks and visits from officials. It’s normally the company that’s slips slightly that gets done, as they aren’t as good at covering things up as cowboys like this.

I don’t really think the papers are going to be interested in this, not really a big enough story for them, unless the company is being run by Nick Clegg and he using MP’s allowences to fund it or you deliver stuff to Jordan and damage her ample but false bosom’s by using them as an anchorage point. :laughing:

I also think it is time to be out because an overloading fine will eat up lots of your £8.80’s and eventually make you unemployable without an LGV licence.

There was a pig farmer who advertised weekly in our local newspaper.

Strong Youth Required
7 Days
Early Starts
Unpaid Breaks

I know the job centre often sent people there and were never surprised when they were back by about Wednesday trying to sign on again

We are in 2010 whatever your boss thinks

when i saw the pics & the description i thought you were having a laugh ! hand in your notice & stay to train someone up ? i cant see anyone lasting the first drop with some of those pics , i’m surprised you do it at all , no loader no delivery simple as. you really need an HSE chap to ride round with you for a day