Mark Horton, senior traffic examiner area 5 Notts ans S.Yorks says all’s well - no problem. Exhausted drivers with only a 5 hour maximum continuous rest in any 11 hour ferry-rule Daily Rest over 5 days every week- DR using Dublin or Belfast routes taken after every working day Sunday through Thursday- not an issue for VOSA . (zb) !! I’ve moved on - DHL Europe, Newark, and Vosa obviously sleep together- without a condom.
bernie_2:
Mark Horton, senior traffic examiner area 5 Notts ans S.Yorks says all’s well - no problem. Exhausted drivers with only a 5 hour maximum continuous rest in any 11 hour ferry-rule Daily Rest over 5 days every week- DR using Dublin or Belfast routes taken after every working day Sunday through Thursday- not an issue for VOSA . (zb) !! I’ve moved on - DHL Europe, Newark, and Vosa obviously sleep together- without a condom.
Listen when you get to my age you will be existing on about 5 hours sleep in 24 hours and still getting up for two ■■■■■■ in that time, if you are lucky, otherwise you will have wet bed 
bernie_2:
DR using Dublin or Belfast routes taken after every working day Sunday through Thursday- not an issue for VOSA.
Why would it be an issue for them, it doesn’t contravene any part of the regulations. It’s the driver’s choice to do it or not.
It’s yet another area where the Law is too vaguely worded to be comprehensible…
Harry Monk:
Wheel Nut:
It would be impossible to do a 13 hour duty while utilising the split rest. It has been pointed out many times that the duty time will be maxed out at around 12 or 12.30 hours as the two movements must be included inside the daily duty while still taking an actual 11 hours rest periodI have to correct you here, you could do a 13 hour duty every day and embark and disembark a ferry during your 11 hours off every night. This is what the Law says…
If your vehicle is being transported by ferry or train, the daily rest requirements are more flexible.
A regular daily rest period may be interrupted no more than twice by other activities not exceeding one hour in total. This allows you to drive the vehicle onto a ferry and off at the end of a sea crossing. If your rest period is interrupted in this way, the total accumulated rest period must still be 11 hours. You must have a bunk or couchette available during the rest period.
You do not have to add the periods of movement to your daily rest.
This bit is important. A regular daily rest is a minimum of 11 hours so if you work 13 then interrupt the period to board or disembark from a ferry, or both then you won’t fit 11 hours into the 24-hour period. You cannot interrupt a rest period of less than 11 hours, it’s been that way since 11th April 2007 when they did away with the adding 2 hours onto the rest thing and allowed 2 interruptions instead of 1.
Work 06:00 - 19:00
Rest 19:00 - 23:00
Board ferry - 15 minutes.
Rest 23:15 - 03:30
Disembark ferry - 30 minutes
Rest 04:00 - 06:00
06:00 end of 24-hour period and only 10 hours 15 minutes rest taken = illegal.
You have to have at least 11 hours rest in total so you need to allow time for the interruption(s), which means you can realistically work 12 - 12.5 hours before using the interrupted rest option.
Harry Monk:
It’s yet another area where the Law is too vaguely worded to be comprehensible…
Nothing vague about it, all the normal requirements for daily rest still apply when making use of the option to interrupt it when using a ferry or train. So,
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The rest must be completed within the 24-hour period which began when you resumed work after your last rest period.
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When using the option to interrupt the rest period you must use a regular rest period, so minimum 11 hours in total.
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Have less than a total of 11 hours, not legal.
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11 hours not completed within the 24-hour period, not legal.
threre seems to be a case of sour grapes here
i could do newark to holyhead less than 4 hours
and i would doubt that any vosa inspector
would tell any driver anything the were watching
for him to come on here an ■■■■■ abt it
can you prove any of these so called facts
abt any drivers if so put up or shut up
Wheel Nut:
bernie_2:
Mark Horton, senior traffic examiner area 5 Notts ans S.Yorks says all’s well - no problem. Exhausted drivers with only a 5 hour maximum continuous rest in any 11 hour ferry-rule Daily Rest over 5 days every week- DR using Dublin or Belfast routes taken after every working day Sunday through Thursday- not an issue for VOSA . (zb) !! I’ve moved on - DHL Europe, Newark, and Vosa obviously sleep together- without a condom.Listen when you get to my age you will be existing on about 5 hours sleep in 24 hours and still getting up for two ■■■■■■ in that time, if you are lucky, otherwise you will have wet bed
What age are you, 90■■? If you can’t go 5 hours without TWO ■■■■■■ it’s time to pull the plug.
DieselDemon:
Wheel Nut:
bernie_2:
Mark Horton, senior traffic examiner area 5 Notts ans S.Yorks says all’s well - no problem. Exhausted drivers with only a 5 hour maximum continuous rest in any 11 hour ferry-rule Daily Rest over 5 days every week- DR using Dublin or Belfast routes taken after every working day Sunday through Thursday- not an issue for VOSA . (zb) !! I’ve moved on - DHL Europe, Newark, and Vosa obviously sleep together- without a condom.Listen when you get to my age you will be existing on about 5 hours sleep in 24 hours and still getting up for two ■■■■■■ in that time, if you are lucky, otherwise you will have wet bed
What age are you, 90■■? If you can’t go 5 hours without TWO ■■■■■■ it’s time to pull the plug.
I said I only sleep about 5 hours, and you missed out the colon and the pee 
The interesting part of all this is that I refused to do it and move on - my former colleagues still do it, still complain, are still exhausted but feel intimidated and feel they have no voice… That,- ie- intimidation, if i remember correctly , is a criminal offence. My cowboy hat doesnt fit any more. Whatever- no sour grapes from me compadres, - just disbelief that " its all OK". Merry christmas and wishing a fingers crossed safe new year -Barry N., - Mark W. -, Graeham M., — and all the agency drivers who feel they have to comply at DHL’s nerve centre to the Sunday -Thursday routine. God bless the Drivers hours regs devised to prevent overtired HGV drivers------- God help us all---- !! ( end of thread)
Why would visa give a ■■■■ about legal running?
now come on mrx- I know you can read really
now come on mrx I know you can read
mrx:
Why would visa give a [zb] about legal running?
Doubt they would. Overdue credit card bills they might.
bernie_2:
The interesting part of all this is that I refused to do it and move on - my former colleagues still do it, still complain, are still exhausted but feel intimidated and feel they have no voice… That,- ie- intimidation, if i remember correctly , is a criminal offence. My cowboy hat doesnt fit any more. Whatever- no sour grapes from me compadres, - just disbelief that " its all OK". Merry christmas and wishing a fingers crossed safe new year -Barry N., - Mark W. -, Graeham M., — and all the agency drivers who feel they have to comply at DHL’s nerve centre to the Sunday -Thursday routine. God bless the Drivers hours regs devised to prevent overtired HGV drivers------- God help us all---- !! ( end of thread)
They told me the job was a piece of ■■■■, once they had got rid of that moaning bloke who couldnt hack it with DHL. We decide when the thread ends, thank you very much 
with lack of constructive interest from those adding to my "overtired-drivers-feelin- intimidated " thread – Happy New Year all —see you all at the cemetary - you’ll sleep well and long then…night night
bernie_2:
with lack of people agreeing with me adding to my "overtired-drivers-feelin- intimidated " thread – Happy New Year all —see you all at the cemetary - you’ll sleep well and long then…night night
FTFY. You’re welcome.
I have always said, and still say, that the law is poorly worded.
It would be better to say “The maximum time you can work is 15 hours, but only three times a week, and on the remaining days you can only work 13 hours”
Last week, I had 12 hours off on Monday night, and 13 hours off on Tuesday night, yet on Wednesday I had taken two reduced rests and had not had one 11 hour break. This is confusing for many and the law should be stated in as simple terms as possible.
Come on then mr bernie draw us out a typical schedule for these illegal runs with timings and breaks then we can see as from where I’m reading it looks legit
mrx:
Come on then mr bernie draw us out a typical schedule for these illegal runs with timings and breaks then we can see as from where I’m reading it looks legit
The whole point is that it it is legal according to tachograph law, yet it does not allow the employee to have sufficient sleep to carry out his duties safely.
Harry Monk:
I have always said, and still say, that the law is poorly worded.It would be better to say “The maximum time you can work is 15 hours, but only three times a week, and on the remaining days you can only work 13 hours”
That would be a step backwards, it isn’t 3 times a week any more.