mike68:
Reef:
I have it on good authority that Tesco’s are on the DVSA’s [zb] list at the moment, apparently quite a few of the drivers were not doing their walkaround checks and running with unreported defects.
Magor has had 2 on-site visits and apparently the DVSA have said they are actively targeting anyone pulling a Tesco’s trailer.
This was all on a notice board at Magor.
I have also seen this memo, I don’t believe they are specifically targeting Tesco but they are looking in general at similar operators in the area.
As for walk around checks you don’t even need to be there to see that many drivers don’t do them, said unit arrives at depot lets say 05:05 hrs gets assigned a load and moves at 05:25 for one or two minutes (looking for trailer) truck then stops for three or four minutes then continues to drive until lets say 07:00 then you don’t need to be Sherlock Holmes to work it out.
Tipping on break tipping on POA all very easy to detect, and I believe you can be spot fined for up to five offences within the previous 28 days.
You would have to be quite dumb to do anything suspect anymore those days are gone, they have for me anyway.
Times change, and I too try to avoid many of the dumb things I’ve done in the past.
Unfortunately I’m discovering a whole new world of dumb things to do.
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Last time I heard of VOSA checks was for running out of time whilst in an RDC,but carried on working instead of pulling out and parking up,not specifically for breaks.
matto75:
mike68:
Analysis of the card would show the moment you stopped you were on break if you are at the beck and call of the goods in department then you don’t have free time at your disposal technically speaking, now if the DVSA were to speak to the depot in question regarding the arrangements (which I would be very surprised if they have) then they would have evidence to the contrary RE: disposal of time.
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I’m on a daily rate so I take breaks at RDC whenever possible. Yes technically I’m working for a minute or two after I put it on break & hand the keys in but that is simply unavoidable due to the technology. As for being at beck & call, I often tell goods in I’m taking a further few mins (if they’ve been efficient & tipped me immediately). It is for “devious eh?” To prove your guilt, not for you to prove your innocence.
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Only way round it to accurately record every minute would be to hit the bay, engine off, REMOVE your card, do what needs to be done, come back an hour and a half later and do a manual entry for the few minutes of other work for walking to office and queuing at window, break or POA for the time you were actually doing that, then other work from the time you got called to collect your keys until card going back in.
I’ve never done that I will add, I just stick it in break and risk it because I’ve no intention of sitting on my arse for another 45 minutes after I’ve just been sat doing nothing for the last 2 hours.
Rowley010:
matto75:
mike68:
Analysis of the card would show the moment you stopped you were on break if you are at the beck and call of the goods in department then you don’t have free time at your disposal technically speaking, now if the DVSA were to speak to the depot in question regarding the arrangements (which I would be very surprised if they have) then they would have evidence to the contrary RE: disposal of time.
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I’m on a daily rate so I take breaks at RDC whenever possible. Yes technically I’m working for a minute or two after I put it on break & hand the keys in but that is simply unavoidable due to the technology. As for being at beck & call, I often tell goods in I’m taking a further few mins (if they’ve been efficient & tipped me immediately). It is for “devious eh?” To prove your guilt, not for you to prove your innocence.
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Only way round it to accurately record every minute would be to hit the bay, engine off, REMOVE your card, do what needs to be done, come back an hour and a half later and do a manual entry for the few minutes of other work for walking to office and queuing at window, break or POA for the time you were actually doing that, then other work from the time you got called to collect your keys until card going back in.
I’ve never done that I will add, I just stick it in break and risk it because I’ve no intention of sitting on my arse for another 45 minutes after I’ve just been sat doing nothing for the last 2 hours.
It’s not the only way (and DVSA would rather you didn’t do it that way) - You can just do a written entry to correct what is recorded on the card.
I can’t see a problem talking your break in a Tesco’s Waiting room. What’s the difference between sitting in a waiting room drinking coffee or sitting in a layby having your break? I carn’t really understand why DVSA is making a fuss, If you unloading like at lidi fair enough but how does tipping at Tesco’s could possibly class as work.
If anything getting hassled by DSVA over silly things like this causes more work related stress than sitting on a plastic chair having a break.
ChrisEnglish90:
So best advice here is to take a break before or after ? [emoji848][emoji849]
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Before, after, whilst on the bay. Whatever suits you.
elsa Lad:
I can’t see a problem talking your break in a Tesco’s Waiting room. What’s the difference between sitting in a waiting room drinking coffee or sitting in a layby having your break? I carn’t really understand why DVSA is making a fuss, If you unloading like at lidi fair enough but how does tipping at Tesco’s could possibly class as work.
If anything getting hassled by DSVA over silly things like this causes more work related stress than sitting on a plastic chair having a break.
There is no problem with it, the DVSA aren’t making a fuss about it, it’s a non-story. Carry on.
Les Shoes:
elsa Lad:
I can’t see a problem talking your break in a Tesco’s Waiting room. What’s the difference between sitting in a waiting room drinking coffee or sitting in a layby having your break? I carn’t really understand why DVSA is making a fuss, If you unloading like at lidi fair enough but how does tipping at Tesco’s could possibly class as work.
If anything getting hassled by DSVA over silly things like this causes more work related stress than sitting on a plastic chair having a break.
There is no problem with it, the DVSA aren’t making a fuss about it, it’s a non-story. Carry on.
There’s no problem where you take your break, as long as you are not carrying out anything that can be classed as work ( answering a call from your boss can be classed as work ) or your on call to assist in loading ie moving curtains, internal straps etc.
Not sure how it sits here, but the police and controls of some of our European neighbouring countries will not recognise a driver taking a break while sitting in the drivers seat, the driver must be in the passenger side, bunk or away from the vehicle.
Grumpy Dad:
Les Shoes:
elsa Lad:
I can’t see a problem talking your break in a Tesco’s Waiting room. What’s the difference between sitting in a waiting room drinking coffee or sitting in a layby having your break? I carn’t really understand why DVSA is making a fuss, If you unloading like at lidi fair enough but how does tipping at Tesco’s could possibly class as work.
If anything getting hassled by DSVA over silly things like this causes more work related stress than sitting on a plastic chair having a break.
There is no problem with it, the DVSA aren’t making a fuss about it, it’s a non-story. Carry on.
There’s no problem where you take your break, as long as you are not carrying out anything that can be classed as work ( answering a call from your boss can be classed as work ) or your on call to assist in loading ie moving curtains, internal straps etc.
Not sure how it sits here, but the police and controls of some of our European neighbouring countries will not recognise a driver taking a break while sitting in the drivers seat, the driver must be in the passenger side, bunk or away from the vehicle.
During a ministry control in France the guy doing it said “you didn’t put your tacho on break before taking it out. This won’t show as break now”!
At the other extreme a colleague had a Genderme ask for his fuel receipts. The times were correlated to the tachos to make sure he hadn’t booked a break whilst filling up.
All sorts in all places…
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Franglais:
Grumpy Dad:
Les Shoes:
elsa Lad:
I can’t see a problem talking your break in a Tesco’s Waiting room. What’s the difference between sitting in a waiting room drinking coffee or sitting in a layby having your break? I carn’t really understand why DVSA is making a fuss, If you unloading like at lidi fair enough but how does tipping at Tesco’s could possibly class as work.
If anything getting hassled by DSVA over silly things like this causes more work related stress than sitting on a plastic chair having a break.
There is no problem with it, the DVSA aren’t making a fuss about it, it’s a non-story. Carry on.
There’s no problem where you take your break, as long as you are not carrying out anything that can be classed as work ( answering a call from your boss can be classed as work ) or your on call to assist in loading ie moving curtains, internal straps etc.
Not sure how it sits here, but the police and controls of some of our European neighbouring countries will not recognise a driver taking a break while sitting in the drivers seat, the driver must be in the passenger side, bunk or away from the vehicle.
During a ministry control in France the guy doing it said “you didn’t put your tacho on break before taking it out. This won’t show as break now”!
At the other extreme a colleague had a Genderme ask for his fuel receipts. The times were correlated to the tachos to make sure he hadn’t booked a break whilst filling up.
All sorts in all places…
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Montauban by any chance? The young fella who was there around 2010 probably the most thorough and nit picking person ever to be stopped by, after 2 hours and everything gone through with nothing found he pulled out the fuel receipts one, the look of disappointment was priceless when they all matched other work
Mazzer2:
Franglais:
Grumpy Dad:
Les Shoes:
elsa Lad:
I can’t see a problem talking your break in a Tesco’s Waiting room. What’s the difference between sitting in a waiting room drinking coffee or sitting in a layby having your break? I carn’t really understand why DVSA is making a fuss, If you unloading like at lidi fair enough but how does tipping at Tesco’s could possibly class as work.
If anything getting hassled by DSVA over silly things like this causes more work related stress than sitting on a plastic chair having a break.
There is no problem with it, the DVSA aren’t making a fuss about it, it’s a non-story. Carry on.
There’s no problem where you take your break, as long as you are not carrying out anything that can be classed as work ( answering a call from your boss can be classed as work ) or your on call to assist in loading ie moving curtains, internal straps etc.
Not sure how it sits here, but the police and controls of some of our European neighbouring countries will not recognise a driver taking a break while sitting in the drivers seat, the driver must be in the passenger side, bunk or away from the vehicle.
During a ministry control in France the guy doing it said “you didn’t put your tacho on break before taking it out. This won’t show as break now”!
At the other extreme a colleague had a Genderme ask for his fuel receipts. The times were correlated to the tachos to make sure he hadn’t booked a break whilst filling up.
All sorts in all places…
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Montauban by any chance? The young fella who was there around 2010 probably the most thorough and nit picking person ever to be stopped by, after 2 hours and everything gone through with nothing found he pulled out the fuel receipts one, the look of disappointment was priceless when they all matched other work
The “nit pickiest”? one I encountered was on the national at Sees. He had a few 76 plate container boys there and a couple of EEs. He was determined to find summat. Eventually did me for not showing country of ending duty on card. I did always put in country of starting, and since the vehicle hasn’t moved it seemed obvious it was the same. I started arguing but realised it wasn’t worth it. 135 euros and go get the boat seemed the better option eventually.
As we know there are some decent, realistic ones after the bent guys, and others ticking little boxes.
If you’re mostly straight many will wag a finger and let you go with a warning. Seems less common now, if it shows as a problem on their computer then they may have less say in letting you go. Doubtless they have office bods looking over their shoulders too.
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When I was at Culina the head honcho on compliance matters had it on good authority from vosa that as long as we played no part in the tipping of the lorry and as long as we showed at least 50 minutes of break (to cover the walk to and from waiting room and handing in keys etc) we could tip on break as we would have been sat/laid down, recuperating etc for at least 45 minutes, but that was about 7 years ago now so maybe things have changed.
bald bloke:
When I was at Culina the head honcho on compliance matters had it on good authority from vosa that as long as we played no part in the tipping of the lorry and as long as we showed at least 50 minutes of break (to cover the walk to and from waiting room and handing in keys etc) we could tip on break as we would have been sat/laid down, recuperating etc for at least 45 minutes, but that was about 7 years ago now so maybe things have changed.
It’s just common sense though isn’t it really?
Your sat on your ring for what is normally a good 1-2 hours, doing nothing for all intents and purposes. It’s a straw clutch of the highest order to suggest having to glance at a screen every now and again or whatever means that your working.
Anybody who wants to pull outside after a several hours in a waiting room for a break, is quite frankly either lazy or trying to drag the job out and using the DVSA threat as an excuse. I appreciate guys wishing to stop to eat a meal or something, but you can just stop and do that anyway unless your boss is a total arse.