Not sure if there’s any truth in this ,
One of our drivers was told by a west’s driver that vosa we’re stopping trucks leaving Tesco’s litchfield and checking there tacos to see if there’d been on rest
The west’s driver said 3 of there’s had been stopped and slapped with a £150 fine for being on rest
The reason for this is when your sat in the waiting room you are no longer able to have your proper rest as you have to keep your eyes on the tv monitor which tells you when your tipped
I know I don’t believe it but with those self funding idiots could it have happened
Robbo919:
Not sure if there’s any truth in this ,
One of our drivers was told by a west’s driver that vosa we’re stopping trucks leaving Tesco’s litchfield and checking there tacos to see if there’d been on rest
The west’s driver said 3 of there’s had been stopped and slapped with a £150 fine for being on rest
The reason for this is when your sat in the waiting room you are no longer able to have your proper rest as you have to keep your eyes on the tv monitor which tells you when your tipped
I know I don’t believe it but with those self funding idiots could it have happened
I know it happens outside Lidl a lot because they know the driver has to tip the delivery himself.
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I wonder if any west drivers can confirm if it happened or not
Do they still have those monitors? It used to really annoy me having to keep checking that, I agree though, it’s not rest, why should it be?
If I’m in there three hours waiting, I’m still going have my break afterwards,
So what if you’re on a 9 or 11 hour rest abroad say & during that time you check the temperature on the fridge trailer. Does that mean you’ve done work?
Muntjac Hater:
So what if you’re on a 9 or 11 hour rest abroad say & during that time you check the temperature on the fridge trailer. Does that mean you’ve done work?
Technically I would think yes is the answer but then again just don’t tell anyone [emoji16]
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I don’t do much to rdc.
but places I go can involve waiting around at times.
and id never take a break while waiting to be tipped.
I either take a break before I go in. or after a leave.
as a break is a time when the driver is free to dispose of his time how he feels.
not being forced to sit on a plastic chair watching bargin hunt.
any place that inists or drops hints that you should take a break on a bay should be avoided. its just a way for them to get more work out of you
Muntjac Hater:
So what if you’re on a 9 or 11 hour rest abroad say & during that time you check the temperature on the fridge trailer. Does that mean you’ve done work?
It does technically mean work, but I mean, I do this job within reason, if I have to check it once, then, fair enough but if the manager says I have to check the temperature every five minutes, I’d expect to be paid for this time, it can’t be classed as rest.
edd1974:
I either take a break before I go in. or after a leave.as a break is a time when the driver is free to dispose of his time how he feels.
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The requirement that a driver be free to dispose of his time is for daily Rest periods. There is no such requirement when recording a Break.
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I never heard this before, where does it say this?
Robbo919:
Not sure if there’s any truth in this ,
One of our drivers was told by a west’s driver that vosa we’re stopping trucks leaving Tesco’s litchfield and checking there tacos to see if there’d been on rest
The west’s driver said 3 of there’s had been stopped and slapped with a £150 fine for being on rest
The reason for this is when your sat in the waiting room you are no longer able to have your proper rest as you have to keep your eyes on the tv monitor which tells you when your tipped
I know I don’t believe it but with those self funding idiots could it have happened
I call bull ■■■■ on this one. DVSA would not be able to monitor a driver’s activities once he entered the site, and please tell me how they would be able to prove what the driver was or wasn’t doing without actually being there to observe it in person?
More MMTM RDC fantasy.
Roymondo:
edd1974:
I either take a break before I go in. or after a leave.as a break is a time when the driver is free to dispose of his time how he feels.
.The requirement that a driver be free to dispose of his time is for daily Rest periods. There is no such requirement when recording a Break.
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Only requirement is “for the sole purpose of rest and recuperation” for breaks.
I heard one on a cpc course once that a driver got done pulling off the services after his break because he cleaned his mirrors just before his break was over, so '‘other work’ 
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As it’s something that drivers do daily I really do think that drivers should take the time to learn the difference between break and rest.
It’d be interesting to see what most drivers set their tacho to when being unloaded but not having any involvement in that unloading.
Roymondo:
edd1974:
I either take a break before I go in. or after a leave.as a break is a time when the driver is free to dispose of his time how he feels.
.The requirement that a driver be free to dispose of his time is for daily Rest periods. There is no such requirement when recording a Break.
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A break is a period of time not less than 15 minutes where the driver is free from any type of work, classification of work can be as little as answering a work related phone call or replying to text.
There is no law stating a break cannot be taken whilst on a bay unloading, as long as the driver is not carrying out anything that can be deemed as work, this includes sat in the drivers seat as that is his work station.
A daily rest is a period not less than 9 hours where a driver is free to spend his time as he wishes.
Prior to the POA mode being made law, the symbol for a break was what is now POA and daily rest the bed symbol, just throw that little snippet in to confuse people 
We had a memo a few weeks back stating the DVSA would be targeting RDC’s in the area (Avonmouth) with un announced visits I have not seen them stopping vehicles or have I heard of this.
Drivers are very often their own worst enemy, if you have to hand your keys in and the minute you go on the bay you put it on break and its still on break 2 hours later then you are putting yourself at risk.
Analysis of the card would show the moment you stopped you were on break if you are at the beck and call of the goods in department then you don’t have free time at your disposal technically speaking, now if the DVSA were to speak to the depot in question regarding the arrangements (which I would be very surprised if they have) then they would have evidence to the contrary RE: disposal of time.
As you don’t have access to your cab in most places and are unable to switch modes then this sounds like a tall RDC story.
In the case of Lidl or other such places Unless they are aware of the arrangements with self tipping I can’t see how they can prosecute.
Personally if I had word of them in the area I would back onto the bay leave it on other work for 5 minutes (the time it may take to ask the question of how long you will be tipping) and then put it on break.
A good percentage of drivers as we know are not the sharpest tools in the box, and when questioned are very likely to incriminate themselves.
Muntjac Hater:
It’d be interesting to see what most drivers set their tacho to when being unloaded but not having any involvement in that unloading.
POA
I get paid hourly.
After a couple of minutes on other work of course.
mike68:
Analysis of the card would show the moment you stopped you were on break if you are at the beck and call of the goods in department then you don’t have free time at your disposal technically speaking, now if the DVSA were to speak to the depot in question regarding the arrangements (which I would be very surprised if they have) then they would have evidence to the contrary RE: disposal of time..
I’m on a daily rate so I take breaks at RDC whenever possible. Yes technically I’m working for a minute or two after I put it on break & hand the keys in but that is simply unavoidable due to the technology. As for being at beck & call, I often tell goods in I’m taking a further few mins (if they’ve been efficient & tipped me immediately). It is for “devious eh?” To prove your guilt, not for you to prove your innocence.
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matto75:
I know it happens outside Lidl a lot because they know the driver has to tip the delivery himself.
I’ve heard this many times, but I’ve also self-tipped at Aldi, Lidl etc on numerous occasions and never seen DVSA doing checks on the way out. Has this actually happened to anyone here or is it just MMTM?