nomiS36:
Non of this nonsense for me from next month. I dare you to say auto is Better than comfortshift
Comfort shift was ok but nowhere near as good as an ishift box. And if you happen to have an MAN with a cable shift box I’d take pretty much any auto over it. The cable shift is woeful!
nomiS36:
Non of this nonsense for me from next month. I dare you to say auto is Better than comfortshift
Sorry to disappoint but From a driving perspective this dual clutch iShift is far superior to any manual. Plus from a standing start it would leave you for dead 
switchlogic:
nomiS36:
Non of this nonsense for me from next month. I dare you to say auto is Better than comfortshiftSorry to disappoint but From a driving perspective this dual clutch iShift is far superior to any manual. Plus from a standing start it would leave you for dead
Sounds like a challenge to me. You’re on [emoji3]
switchlogic:
Personally I’ve never really had problems with Volvo reliability
Volvos were ultra reliable until the partnership with Renault.
Volvo gave Renault the driveline, Renault gave Volvo the electrics.
Both marques have never been the same since.
switchlogic:
Franglais:
But if payng 20k more for your new truck gets you 20k extra when you sell it in 3yrs,My point is you’re simply getting your own money back in this event. £20k thats not been working for you in other ways
I see what you mean now. Thanks for the reply.
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muckles:
Trickydick:
muckles:
Trickydick:
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first.
Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutchesSo are you saying that’s the same as the Dual Clutch on the FH?
Nope but a double plate clutch is a double plate clutch unless you mean its like the vag DSG set up?
Yep it’s a dual clutch (like the DSG) not a double plate clutch, well might be double plate as well, but not so relevant on this discusion.
Right got it, I think I would be a little scared to be the paying test pilot on something like that.
switchlogic:
Sorry to disappoint but From a driving perspective this dual clutch iShift is far superior to any manual. Plus from a standing start it would leave you for dead
I think the system originated from agric tractors where they are now pretty much standard, truly amazing to drive, and it is difficult to appreciate how fast they change gear. The change is that fast that they will go up and down through the gears when ploughing. Having a 5 furrow plough in the ground is serious pulling, try to change gear with a traditional box and you would stop so quickly your false teeth might pop out. With the dual clutch you just hear the change of note. I would love to drive a wagon with one
(and its a faster change than splitting in a twin splitter and they were fast, you don’t lift off the loud pedal, there seems to be virtually no interruption to drive)
So how many gears has this got, does it have various modes, how does it handle crawler, what gear will it set off with hill/flat. whats it do coming down hill, when you cover the brakes will it automatically keep engine around the 2000rpm mark.
Bluey Circles:
switchlogic:
Sorry to disappoint but From a driving perspective this dual clutch iShift is far superior to any manual. Plus from a standing start it would leave you for deadI think the system originated from agric tractors where they are now pretty much standard, truly amazing to drive, and it is difficult to appreciate how fast they change gear. The change is that fast that they will go up and down through the gears when ploughing. Having a 5 furrow plough in the ground is serious pulling, try to change gear with a traditional box and you would stop so quickly your false teeth might pop out. With the dual clutch you just hear the change of note. I would love to drive a wagon with one
(and its a faster change than splitting in a twin splitter and they were fast, you don’t lift off the loud pedal, there seems to be virtually no interruption to drive)
So how many gears has this got, does it have various modes, how does it handle crawler, what gear will it set off with hill/flat. whats it do coming down hill, when you cover the brakes will it automatically keep engine around the 2000rpm mark.
But it ain’t a dual clutch in those tractors it’s a CVT!!!
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Switchy…
You gonna publish your findings here or, do we have to go your Ytube channel?
Big Truck:
Bluey Circles:
switchlogic:
Sorry to disappoint but From a driving perspective this dual clutch iShift is far superior to any manual. Plus from a standing start it would leave you for deadI think the system originated from agric tractors where they are now pretty much standard, truly amazing to drive, and it is difficult to appreciate how fast they change gear. The change is that fast that they will go up and down through the gears when ploughing. Having a 5 furrow plough in the ground is serious pulling, try to change gear with a traditional box and you would stop so quickly your false teeth might pop out. With the dual clutch you just hear the change of note. I would love to drive a wagon with one
(and its a faster change than splitting in a twin splitter and they were fast, you don’t lift off the loud pedal, there seems to be virtually no interruption to drive)
So how many gears has this got, does it have various modes, how does it handle crawler, what gear will it set off with hill/flat. whats it do coming down hill, when you cover the brakes will it automatically keep engine around the 2000rpm mark.
But it ain’t a dual clutch in those tractors it’s a CVT!!!
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I’m pretty sure the John Dere direct drive is dual clutch, 3 ranges of 8 giving 24 gears. I’m thinking the CVT is something a little different using variable hydraulics, not sure though, and as usual I could be wrong.
nice explanatory diagram of the ual cluch in action in this vid at 0:40
it suggests dual cluch came from luxury cars, I always thought it originated in tractors.
Bluey Circles:
Big Truck:
But it ain’t a dual clutch in those tractors it’s a CVT!!!Sent from my SM-J500FN using Tapatalk
I’m pretty sure the John Dere direct drive is dual clutch, 3 ranges of 8 giving 24 gears. I’m thinking the CVT is something a little different using variable hydraulics, not sure though, and as usual I could be wrong.
nice explanatory diagram of the ual cluch in action in this vid at 0:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhZXABGHelg
it suggests dual cluch came from luxury cars, I always thought it originated in tractors.
I thought they were first used in racing cars. 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-clutch_transmission
wiki says
John Deere have had the system since 2012. (Direct Drive).
Invented by Frenchman Adolphe Kegresse in the 1930s but not built. First produced by Harry Webster at AP Lemington Spa in 1980s.
muckles:
Bluey Circles:
Big Truck:
But it ain’t a dual clutch in those tractors it’s a CVT!!!Sent from my SM-J500FN using Tapatalk
I’m pretty sure the John Dere direct drive is dual clutch, 3 ranges of 8 giving 24 gears. I’m thinking the CVT is something a little different using variable hydraulics, not sure though, and as usual I could be wrong.
nice explanatory diagram of the ual cluch in action in this vid at 0:40
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhZXABGHelg
it suggests dual cluch came from luxury cars, I always thought it originated in tractors.I thought they were first used in racing cars.
You could be right on Deere “direct-drive” but their “auto-power” box is CVT.
Fendt/MF/Valtra (Agco) all offer a “premium” CVT and so do NH/Case etc.
Bluey Circles:
switchlogic:
Sorry to disappoint but From a driving perspective this dual clutch iShift is far superior to any manual. Plus from a standing start it would leave you for deadI think the system originated from agric tractors where they are now pretty much standard, truly amazing to drive, and it is difficult to appreciate how fast they change gear. The change is that fast that they will go up and down through the gears when ploughing. Having a 5 furrow plough in the ground is serious pulling, try to change gear with a traditional box and you would stop so quickly your false teeth might pop out. With the dual clutch you just hear the change of note. I would love to drive a wagon with one
(and its a faster change than splitting in a twin splitter and they were fast, you don’t lift off the loud pedal, there seems to be virtually no interruption to drive)
So how many gears has this got, does it have various modes, how does it handle crawler, what gear will it set off with hill/flat. whats it do coming down hill, when you cover the brakes will it automatically keep engine around the 2000rpm mark.
Spot on. I’m told it’s been in tractors a long time. I’d love to encounter some snow as I think it would come into it’s own. It has 12 gears, dual clutch works same in manual mode, starts off in 2/3/4 depending on load, downhill it depends how you’ve set the Volvo.Emgime Brake UI
yourhavingalarf:
Switchy…You gonna publish your findings here or, do we have to go your Ytube channel?
Don’t worry I’ll post links up to the reviews when I’ve done them. I do have a channel youtube.com/user/lukemvernon
I see Volvo have given you a clever registration - V 900 Vernon Truck Critique 
Great video’s Btw!
Can you tell us the cost of the new dual battery option.
This ‘flat battery again’ syndrome is a real PIA.
switchlogic:
AndrewG:
it is fitted on the D16 engine as well if specced with the higher ratio long haul box as i did mine.You best let the Volvo Head of Product Demonstration know, he seems to be under the illusion it’s not available on the FH16…
It certainly is, its not listed on the official standard spec sheet but comes as standard with the long haul version of the i shift. Mine also came from a Netherlands dealership. If you didnt know specs vary from one country to the next
AF1:
Yes it’s like the dsg setup with twin input shafts so the next gear is pre selected. I’d love a try of one although I’m a bit sceptical as to how they’ll stand up to heavy use in service.
Mines only a few months old but has been through one ECU. It would only engage every other gear,fully freighted it still had the power/torque to get home without bother. The box itself though has been fine so far even with 700hp pushing through it, time will tell though…
