Aren’t the ones without a gearstick all dual clutches? I’m pretty sure it was one anyway, being a demo truck for Volvo Estonia. I’ve heard it earns its keep better when pulling 50t uphill on an icy 10% grade, not losing traction when downshifting and all, but on a fuel efficiency run it made no difference.
Not being one to argue with progress, but the guys and gals in Gothenburg might want to focus on quality assurance a little as well as R&D. If I was to own a truck again in the near future, it would be an FHIII 540 Euro 5, no matter what axle configuration, but definitely not a Volvo that was younger.
No the dual clutch is fairly new and only available on 460, 500 & 540 FM’s & FH’s. The driving experience is remarkable and they are starting to prove popular. Personally I’ve never really had problems with Volvo reliability and they are the truck I’ve driven most by far the past few years.
So the ones with buttons on the dash instead of a gearstick like on a regular i-shift are not necessarily dual clutches?
The last company I worked for as a driver went from 10 years as a Volvo-only establishment to a “We’ll try anything now” firm. After tramping in a new Volvo for a few months, can’t blame them. A breakdown a week in the climate I worked in.
I had a Volvo for a day recently ( not dual clutch ) and to be honest I was glad to get back in my scania , I guess a case of what your used too, I do like the colour though , very smart
switchlogic:
So hilarious isn’t it, being called all sorts of names because I said I think this is better than the S Series Scania! I’ve never understood that weird devotion to a single manufacturer that some Scania fanboys (as well as others) exhibit
That’s because your only a blow in, for years and years scaina was the only good truck out there to buy, very expensive but great resale value, it takes a lot for a scaina driver to even admit to likeing the look of another truck, old hands
It’s still weird old hand or not. 1. I’ve been driving a bit longer than the last five minutes, 2. Never has there been a time when Scania was the only decent truck to buy and 3. This whole resale value bobbins is just you getting your own money back.
Surely you’re not saying that resale value is irrelevant, Luke?
I can see you saying that the premium some will pay in the 2nd hand market, for a particular brand, seems to be based on emotions not sense. I can see that resale values are estimated, although there are guaranteed buy back deals.
But if payng 20k more for your new truck gets you 20k extra when you sell it in 3yrs, then the overall depreciation is the same. Doesn’t matter if a higher resale value is due to commercial reasons or not, fanboys use the same colour money.
If you’re saying the resale value of a “premium brand” bears little resemblance to its earning potential, I’d totally agree. However having a good resale value is good for the initial purchaser.
The last FH I drove was a 12 plate and out of all the autos I’ve driven it was by far the best. All the others are a joke in comparison so this new dual clutch thing must be amazing! I’ve not even looked inside an S series so I’m nowhere near qualified to give an opinion other than I think Volvo have finally caught and overtaken scania on the looks department.
Having said all that, I still think my new comfortshift next month (if it’s ready) is the best [emoji23] yeah yeah, I know I’m a luddite [emoji57]
Unique box in that it has two input shafts, it can select the next gear while still under power with split second changes, the best semi auto box out there. Although not on the Volvo spec sheet (D13 up to 540) it is fitted on the D16 engine as well if specced with the higher ratio long haul box as i did mine.
I’m guessing he means Volvo’s “Dynamic Steering”, which is really very good once you get used to it. Allows the truck to still feel like a truck going down the road while also lightening up to save your arm muscles at slow speeds. I had a go on an FMX 8-wheeler tipper with it fitted and the difference was huge - so much so I’ve also found operators who won’t buy another 8-legger without it, regardless of the cost.
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first.
Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutches
If I was a pro driver I would be paying special attention to the words autonomous and platooning to start with
Trickydick:
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first. Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutches
So are you saying that’s the same as the Dual Clutch on the FH?
switchlogic:
So hilarious isn’t it, being called all sorts of names because I said I think this is better than the S Series Scania! I’ve never understood that weird devotion to a single manufacturer that some Scania fanboys (as well as others) exhibit
That’s because your only a blow in, for years and years scaina was the only good truck out there to buy, very expensive but great resale value, it takes a lot for a scaina driver to even admit to likeing the look of another truck, old hands
It’s still weird old hand or not. 1. I’ve been driving a bit longer than the last five minutes, 2. Never has there been a time when Scania was the only decent truck to buy and 3. This whole resale value bobbins is just you getting your own money back.
So you never bought your own truck because if you had in times past you would well know that it was not a short time but a long time when nothing ever came near a scania, it was streets ahead of the pack,
Wrap around dash
Trailer break on dash
Steering wheel ajusting
Fantastic gear box
Great looking truck at the time
Great resale value
Ahead of its time
And lots more
You had to be there
Trickydick:
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first.
Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutches
If I was a pro driver I would be paying special attention to the words autonomous and platooning to start with
Hmmm, I think you may be misunderstanding what this dual clutch is
I’m guessing he means Volvo’s “Dynamic Steering”, which is really very good once you get used to it. Allows the truck to still feel like a truck going down the road while also lightening up to save your arm muscles at slow speeds. I had a go on an FMX 8-wheeler tipper with it fitted and the difference was huge - so much so I’ve also found operators who won’t buy another 8-legger without it, regardless of the cost.
It is a really fantastic feature that’s for sure. I’ve not done much lower speed manoeuvring yet but I’m looking forward to trying it properly in some of our tight Italian customers yards
Trickydick:
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first. Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutches
So are you saying that’s the same as the Dual Clutch on the FH?
Nope but a double plate clutch is a double plate clutch unless you mean its like the vag DSG set up?
Trickydick:
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first. Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutches
So are you saying that’s the same as the Dual Clutch on the FH?
Nope but a double plate clutch is a double plate clutch unless you mean its like the vag DSG set up?
Yep it’s a dual clutch (like the DSG) not a double plate clutch, well might be double plate as well, but not so relevant on this discusion.
Trickydick:
Worth bearing in mind that all the truck makers are doing exactly the same thing just different ways and they all want you to believe they are the first. Dont forget FL10s had double plate clutches
So are you saying that’s the same as the Dual Clutch on the FH?
Nope but a double plate clutch is a double plate clutch unless you mean its like the vag DSG set up?
Yes it’s like the dsg setup with twin input shafts so the next gear is pre selected. I’d love a try of one although I’m a bit sceptical as to how they’ll stand up to heavy use in service.
