Very serious predicament, need advice asap!

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SteveBarnsleytrucker:

waynedl:
OAD did ask 1 question you’ve not answered, have you actually taken an ‘overloaded’ truck to a weigh bridge?

You are actually allowed to take a vehicle you think is overloaded to the nearest weighbridge if you have no idea what weight has actually been put on, however if it is overloaded you can only drive it back to where you came from and the exact route you took to get to the weighbridge.
I’m not sure if there is a limit on how much weight overloaded the vehicle can be though.

Yes, I’m aware of that, it’s a requirement in my job (box jockey) as not everywhere has a weighbridge and bundles of paper or loads of scrap metal pretty much weigh a random amount.

What I’m asking, is if the OP has taken one of these ‘overloaded’ trucks to a weighbridge and if so, how much was it over by?

But, I suspect he hasn’t, so therefore he’s ASSUMING or GUESSING that they’re over-loaded.

One of his other complaints was a tail lift missing restraints that aren’t required.

Also, if he was so bothered about H+S, why had he already taken these defective and overloaded killing machines on the public road, I know if he killed one of my loved ones whilst overloaded or defective, I’d be out for blood.

Also, how often do you talk to your co-workers about licences? It’s never even come up in discussion for me, a few times of ‘how long you worked here’ or ‘how long you been driving class ones’ but never ‘have you actually got a licence’?
He says the driver failed to produce his licence, there could be 100 reasons for this, including, but not limited to, not actually having 1.

I’m sorry, but I agree with OAD in that he’s a disgruntled ex-employee with an axe to grind.

If a job is planned that’s too long for the day, point it out and if still sent, either leave yourself enough time to return to depot with undelivered loads, or agree to a night in a premier inn, the boss would learn then, but I’m guessing again that this doesn’t happen - except when unforeseen circumstances happen - like happened to me a few years ago, out in a day wagon delivering food around the North East (I’m from Manchester) and the snow came down, everyone slowed down etc, calculation said I couldn’t do the last drop and get back, phoned company and they asked if I’d do the last drop and get back to Wetherby and they’d put me up in the Days Inn.
It’s transport, ■■■■ sometimes happens, we’ve all (well, most of us) run over our time at some point or other due to the roads being fluid and not predictable or able to be planned to the second.

Go and chat to VOSA or VISA or whoever you want, but I think they’ll be like ‘oh, thank you sir, that’s most helpful, we’ll check it out immediately’ and then completely ignore you and file you as a disgruntled ex-employee

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A driver who worked at one of my ex company’s never handed his licence in when they did the licence checks until this one time. Turns out it wasn’t that he didn’t hold the correct licence, just that he had 't had a medical for 7 year! :open_mouth: So as Others have said there could be many reasons why a driver doesn’t show his licence, like the example I have just given or because of how many points they have etc.
But that lies with the TM at the end of the day, if z driver won’t show his licence then he should be shown the door.

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waynedl:

SteveBarnsleytrucker:

waynedl:
OAD did ask 1 question you’ve not answered, have you actually taken an ‘overloaded’ truck to a weigh bridge?

You are actually allowed to take a vehicle you think is overloaded to the nearest weighbridge if you have no idea what weight has actually been put on, however if it is overloaded you can only drive it back to where you came from and the exact route you took to get to the weighbridge.
I’m not sure if there is a limit on how much weight overloaded the vehicle can be though.

Yes, I’m aware of that, it’s a requirement in my job (box jockey) as not everywhere has a weighbridge and bundles of paper or loads of scrap metal pretty much weigh a random amount.

What I’m asking, is if the OP has taken one of these ‘overloaded’ trucks to a weighbridge and if so, how much was it over by?

But, I suspect he hasn’t, so therefore he’s ASSUMING or GUESSING that they’re over-loaded.

One of his other complaints was a tail lift missing restraints that aren’t required.

Also, if he was so bothered about H+S, why had he already taken these defective and overloaded killing machines on the public road, I know if he killed one of my loved ones whilst overloaded or defective, I’d be out for blood.

Also, how often do you talk to your co-workers about licences? It’s never even come up in discussion for me, a few times of ‘how long you worked here’ or ‘how long you been driving class ones’ but never ‘have you actually got a licence’?
He says the driver failed to produce his licence, there could be 100 reasons for this, including, but not limited to, not actually having 1.

I’m sorry, but I agree with OAD in that he’s a disgruntled ex-employee with an axe to grind.

If a job is planned that’s too long for the day, point it out and if still sent, either leave yourself enough time to return to depot with undelivered loads, or agree to a night in a premier inn, the boss would learn then, but I’m guessing again that this doesn’t happen - except when unforeseen circumstances happen - like happened to me a few years ago, out in a day wagon delivering food around the North East (I’m from Manchester) and the snow came down, everyone slowed down etc, calculation said I couldn’t do the last drop and get back, phoned company and they asked if I’d do the last drop and get back to Wetherby and they’d put me up in the Days Inn.
It’s transport, [zb] sometimes happens, we’ve all (well, most of us) run over our time at some point or other due to the roads being fluid and not predictable or able to be planned to the second.

Go and chat to VOSA or VISA or whoever you want, but I think they’ll be like ‘oh, thank you sir, that’s most helpful, we’ll check it out immediately’ and then completely ignore you and file you as a disgruntled ex-employee

Hmmm. Maybe. If what the OP says is accurate, it’s possible VOSA have already got the firm in their sights, in which case they probably would take action.

Whether the OP is a disgruntled ex employee or not is irrelevant if the allegations he is making are true. If they are false then he is unlikely to report anything to anyone and we’ve all had a nice story before bed! :laughing:

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need advice asap
when you have been in transport for a while, 6.30 am to 5.30 pm will not seem such a long day!

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On reflection, if this is indeed a big national company, the OP might be better off blowing the whistle to the higher powers within the company and letting them deal with it. I imagine they wouldn’t be very impressed that this individual manager in one of their depots is running such a bent operation & playing ball with their operators license.

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Truckulent:

waynedl:

SteveBarnsleytrucker:

waynedl:
OAD did ask 1 question you’ve not answered, have you actually taken an ‘overloaded’ truck to a weigh bridge?

You are actually allowed to take a vehicle you think is overloaded to the nearest weighbridge if you have no idea what weight has actually been put on, however if it is overloaded you can only drive it back to where you came from and the exact route you took to get to the weighbridge.
I’m not sure if there is a limit on how much weight overloaded the vehicle can be though.

Yes, I’m aware of that, it’s a requirement in my job (box jockey) as not everywhere has a weighbridge and bundles of paper or loads of scrap metal pretty much weigh a random amount.

What I’m asking, is if the OP has taken one of these ‘overloaded’ trucks to a weighbridge and if so, how much was it over by?

But, I suspect he hasn’t, so therefore he’s ASSUMING or GUESSING that they’re over-loaded.

One of his other complaints was a tail lift missing restraints that aren’t required.

Also, if he was so bothered about H+S, why had he already taken these defective and overloaded killing machines on the public road, I know if he killed one of my loved ones whilst overloaded or defective, I’d be out for blood.

Also, how often do you talk to your co-workers about licences? It’s never even come up in discussion for me, a few times of ‘how long you worked here’ or ‘how long you been driving class ones’ but never ‘have you actually got a licence’?
He says the driver failed to produce his licence, there could be 100 reasons for this, including, but not limited to, not actually having 1.

I’m sorry, but I agree with OAD in that he’s a disgruntled ex-employee with an axe to grind.

If a job is planned that’s too long for the day, point it out and if still sent, either leave yourself enough time to return to depot with undelivered loads, or agree to a night in a premier inn, the boss would learn then, but I’m guessing again that this doesn’t happen - except when unforeseen circumstances happen - like happened to me a few years ago, out in a day wagon delivering food around the North East (I’m from Manchester) and the snow came down, everyone slowed down etc, calculation said I couldn’t do the last drop and get back, phoned company and they asked if I’d do the last drop and get back to Wetherby and they’d put me up in the Days Inn.
It’s transport, [zb] sometimes happens, we’ve all (well, most of us) run over our time at some point or other due to the roads being fluid and not predictable or able to be planned to the second.

Go and chat to VOSA or VISA or whoever you want, but I think they’ll be like ‘oh, thank you sir, that’s most helpful, we’ll check it out immediately’ and then completely ignore you and file you as a disgruntled ex-employee

Hmmm. Maybe. If what the OP says is accurate, it’s possible VOSA have already got the firm in their sights, in which case they probably would take action.

Whether the OP is a disgruntled ex employee or not is irrelevant if the allegations he is making are true. If they are false then he is unlikely to report anything to anyone and we’ve all had a nice story before bed! :laughing:

In his first post, he said they were already ‘RED’

CMH:
The firm is already red-lighted and it comes as no shock that they are, the shock is the continuation of blatant disregard for the rules and regulations in the transport industry.

Although, again I wonder how he could possibly know this, I’ve known as many ‘red lighted’ firms as I have drivers with no licence driving for ‘red lighted’ firms :unamused:

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For crying out loud will you tell vosa the police or Jeremy Kyle, stop moaning and do something about it, a change of career is needed I think, as for the overloading, have you ever been to a weighbridge and weighed it ?

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Dafman:
For crying out loud will you tell vosa the police or Jeremy Kyle, stop moaning and do something about it, a change of career is needed I think, as for the overloading, have you ever been to a weighbridge and weighed it ?

Ha Ha Ha Ha I know!!! :unamused:

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To the op please tell us how are you 100% sure they are overloaded,have they been over a weighbridge.also how are you sure the driver has no license or was it a mmtm story.you never explain how your accusations are true.if you honestly believe what your saying then tell vosa asap but you seem to be not be telling the full story

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prob takes years to be able to guess if a trucks over its weight , even then youd have to drive it to make a good accurate guess

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I am, of course holding details as I plan to be anonymous as things stand. Once I speak to Vosa tomorrow I will be in a better position to speak more.

I can answer in way more detail once I have some advice from them about how they want to do things. People are jumping to too many conclusions and making too many accusations, it’s actually ridiculous how frequent it is, same faces too. Again, what have I to lie about, no company name mentioned and not a single name either. It seems as though some enjoy making assumptions or are curious and are digging. I came for advice on how to approach and seeking advice, I didn’t come here to explain each and every misdemeanour I have seen. If Vosa say they aren’t interested in one or a few points of mine then so be it, I couldn’t care less if that’s the case. The licence is the biggest ■■■■ take and that comes down to an incompetent TM.

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The East European lads wouldn’t be making all this song and dance, they’d just bank the money and sod off somewhere better when the opportunity arose, you can sort of see why there’s so many here now and doing well.

Entertaining thread though, an example to newbies how exactly not to earn that rock solid history and reputation for dependability and discretion that gets you into the best jobs in time.

I look forward to future instalments, hopefully only the first chapter.

If you choose to go down this road it might have repercussions at some point in the future…i haven’t got a clue which company this is and i’m really not remotely interested to know who or the ins and outs of this mole hill made into a mountain, but others who might be affected in several ways might work out who the company is and who you are, several people have tried to suggest that it might be best FOR YOU not to get involved, but you seem hell bent on doing so, if it comes back and bites you in the arse don’t be surprised.

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CMH:
I am, of course holding details as I plan to be anonymous as things stand. Once I speak to Vosa tomorrow I will be in a better position to speak more.

I can answer in way more detail once I have some advice from them about how they want to do things. People are jumping to too many conclusions and making too many accusations, it’s actually ridiculous how frequent it is, same faces too. Again, what have I to lie about, no company name mentioned and not a single name either. It seems as though some enjoy making assumptions or are curious and are digging. I came for advice on how to approach and seeking advice, I didn’t come here to explain each and every misdemeanour I have seen. If Vosa say they aren’t interested in one or a few points of mine then so be it, I couldn’t care less if that’s the case. The licence is the biggest ■■■■ take and that comes down to an incompetent TM.

A few questions have been asked, that’s not an accusation of you lying, it’s simply questioning your actual fact basis.

Simple questions that you’ve still not answered.

You admit to being a newbie, yet all these trucks were overloaded, you’ve been asked by several people including myself how you know this, have you used an axle weigher or weigh bridge?

The licence issue, again, you say he didn’t produce it, worked there 4 weeks, didn’t produce it, was shown the door - this does not mean he didn’t have one, there may have been reasons for him not to produce it, it may have been at the DVLA and we all know how incompetent they can be.

The CPC is really a none issue, it’s a relatively new installment in the driving game and has no bearing on safety at all, infact there’s multiple posts and topics on here about INCORRECT information given during dCPC courses, so possibly better not to have sat any of them.

If the company really is on a ‘red light’ as you claim (even though I’ve no idea how you’d know this), then they’d get pulled EVERY TIME they passed a VOSA vehicle or checkpoint, meaning they’d already be shut down if they broke as many rules as you claim, or they’re squeaky clean and pass all tugs.

Come on lad, answer a few questions for me

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Juddian:
The East European lads wouldn’t be making all this song and dance, they’d just bank the money and sod off somewhere better when the opportunity arose, you can sort of see why there’s so many here now and doing well.

Entertaining thread though, an example to newbies how exactly not to earn that rock solid history and reputation for dependability and discretion that gets you into the best jobs in time.

I look forward to future instalments, hopefully only the first chapter.

If you choose to go down this road it might have repercussions at some point in the future…i haven’t got a clue which company this is and i’m really not remotely interested to know who or the ins and outs of this mole hill made into a mountain, but others who might be affected in several ways might work out who the company is and who you are, several people have tried to suggest that it might be best FOR YOU not to get involved, but you seem hell bent on doing so, if it comes back and bites you in the arse don’t be surprised.

what a wimp u are :unamused: :unamused: the OP has balls and respects himself not to have the ■■■■ taken out of him , so many of you on here just take it up the ARSE just so you keep your job ,I’m glad you do not work alongside me

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topmixer11:

Juddian:

what a wimp u are :unamused: :unamused: the OP has balls and respects himself not to have the ■■■■ taken out of him , so many of you on here just take it up the ARSE just so you keep your job ,I’m glad you do not work alongside me

Another keyboard warrior… :unamused:

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newmercman:
The economy in Britain is a mess, hardly anything gets made there anymore

Not strictly true to be fair. Not looked into it myself but saw a statistic recently that we make more cars now than we did in the 70s.

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dieseldog999:

milkchurns:
Such a cheer of mammy’s boys. If the money was right I would work for them. To hell with that lying about. Gave me a days work any day and i’m your man. I have 2 motto’s…u call and I will haul…when u snooze u lose…

+1…jobsworth in a normal job,= best leave and get a beancounter job elsewhere…diff strokes,difffolks… i couldnt work for a agency type job as it would be an insult to my itintlligence,with the pride of the british transport industryslogic of,how little can i do,for the most money…hence british leylandsdemise/steelworks/miners,and every other [zb] worker with the same attitude,work for who you want to work,work how you want,for who you want,if you dont like it,leave,leve the work to the workers with a bit of hands on gumtion, :unamused: :unamused: :unamused:

:slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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CaptainOfIndustry:

newmercman:
The economy in Britain is a mess, hardly anything gets made there anymore

Not strictly true to be fair. Not looked into it myself but saw a statistic recently that we make more cars now than we did in the 70s.

For foreign owned companies.

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Muckaway:

CaptainOfIndustry:

newmercman:
The economy in Britain is a mess, hardly anything gets made there anymore

Not strictly true to be fair. Not looked into it myself but saw a statistic recently that we make more cars now than we did in the 70s.

For foreign owned companies.

According to Chris Evans on Radio 2 this morning one new car rolls off a production line in UK every 20 seconds. That’s impressive whoever owns the brands!!!

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My advice, because that’s what was asked for 5 pages ago, is do what you think is appropriate, just be prepared for the consequences. The authorities may do something & they may not, the place might get shut down or it might not, the tm might go to prison & he might not. The point is if you do nothing then nothing will happen. Would you be happy with that?