Rhythm Thief:
flyer747:
Rhythm Thief, she don’t sound she drives a truck for a living by her own words of her job description or should we say perks.Perhaps she does, perhaps she doesn’t … all I was trying to say was that it’s entirely possible to have a degree and an HGV licence. I have an M.Sc. myself, if it comes to it, and I drive a truck every single night.
Stop stealing the thicko’s jobs.
Socketset:
newmercman:
miketaurus:
newmercman:
Are you lot for realMuckaway… seriously
Flyer747, why do people have to drive a lorry to be able to work in transport
In certain areas it will be an advantage, but there are many jobs within transport where having been a driver will be a disadvantage
Having spent time on both sides of the desk, I can honestly say that most problems start when drivers start “thinking” as they hardly ever know the bigger picture
So to counter that argument it makes more sense for drivers to have experience in the office, rather than the other way around, maybe that way there wouldn’t be so many [zb] ups
Anybody with the ability to stand up can be a lorry driver, it doesn’t take a lot of intelligence, for proof of this look around the next time you’re in the company of fellow drivers, ypu are not likely to find many members of MENSA in the group
It is more complex than that. To enable a person or a group to work effectively describing them as " Anybody with the ability to stand up can be a lorry driver, it doesn’t take a lot of intelligence" is only confirming what the industry is trying to change. Driving is a profession. As far as not wanting drivers to “Think” next time you ever hear a person in authority say “What was he/she thinking?” or “Why did he/she not think” I am sure you can give them the wisdom you hold so dearly.
If you have a wish to understand how to enable better practises try Johari Window businessballs.com/johariwindowmodel.htm
Going back to phyco_sarah’s methodology, that’s if I understand it correctly, my cv would be in file 13
I will get back to eating my Banana
My comments were tongue in cheek…to a point.
Yes lorry driving is a profession, yes it does require a qualification to enable you to do the job, but it is very much a blue collar job and it doesn’t take much skill or intelligence to gain the qualifications necessary to be a lorry driver.
There are some very good lorry drivers out there, I hope that I can include myself in that (but self praise…) but unfortunately that can only see them get a slightly better job. Now compare that to a singer, a bottom of the rung singer doing the pubs and clubs will hardly earn a living, whereas someone at the top will earn mega millions, not just for themselves, but the whole team, the same applies to sportsmen and business, the little guy in an office in a small town will not earn the same money or have the same importance as the bloke doing the same job in a big city.
However as lorry drivers there is none of that, we are in the scheme of things, just part of the machine, an essential part, no doubt about that, but still only a part.
Many times we’ve heard ‘Without lorries the country grinds to a halt’ and it is true, but if the RDC goods in staff all went on strike it would have exactly the same effect. Yet you don’t hear that lot banging on about how important they are.
So let’s not kid ourselves, we are at the bottom of the food chain and quite a lot of us are here because we have a passion for the industry, we love our jobs/lifestyle, we even spend our time off on the internet talking about it and looking at pictures of lorries.
But just because we like it and some of us take pride in what we do, it doesn’t automatically mean we will be given the credit that we ‘think’ we are due
Pretty accurate summation by newmercman as usual…
Hi-ho, Monday tomorrow…
newmercman that’s taken in the spirit that you have offered and wise 
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I would add though, that widely drivers are undervalued certainly LGV. As one highly experienced driver said while I was a passenger “Make a mistake in one of these and you could take out a family” a serious business and with it enormous responsibility and a lack of responsibility means a serious amount of accountability.
I would rather produce and deliver a narrative that enhances the profession and respectability.
I mentioned on an earlier thread that drivers on the whole feel that they are treated like second class citizens. If others stakeholders including employers within the transport industry do not change their overall perception and commitment to change, How can they expect to get what they want.
That is using tools such as Johari window as shown and the company boards and owners being open to new business initatives/ideas and buying into it with the drivers.
Its always going to be a team effort with the added ingredient of personal development to aspire be the best. A professional.
Anyhow job search tomorrow. Seems psyco_sarah has put my cv in the bin
Pyscho Sarah doesn’t appear to take any prisoners, but then there was a Sarah in my distant past and although she never had a degree, she was definitely a bit ■■■■■■ 
The good thing about the gulf between the bottom and the top of the lorry driver genre is that it isn’t too difficult to separate yourself from the greasy hiviz wearing knuckle draggers and get into the higher echelons.
It won’t bring fame and fortune, but it can make the difference between being able to carry on within the industry that we know and love, or having to get out because we know we could provide better for our family.
So in reality, we need the lowest common denominator types, because as in all walks of life, good doesn’t look good until you have bad as a comparison 
miketaurus:
As one highly experienced driver said while I was a passenger “Make a mistake in one of these and you could take out a family” …
Phew!! Makes you think doesn’t it?
Mike-C:
miketaurus:
As one highly experienced driver said while I was a passenger “Make a mistake in one of these and you could take out a family” …Phew!! Makes you think doesn’t it?
Of the children?
Just lift the phone n grass em up n move on with life, dont worry about the other drivers there let em take care of themselves
newmercman:
miketaurus:
newmercman:
Yes lorry driving is a profession, yes it does require a qualification to enable you to do the job, but it is very much a blue collar job and it doesn’t take much skill or intelligence to gain the qualifications necessary to be a lorry driver.
But just because we like it and some of us take pride in what we do, it doesn’t automatically mean we will be given the credit that we ‘think’ we are due
Hope i’ve quoted properly here.
The first sentence yes, that’s where a driver starts from, by passing that test, then he starts on the long trail of becoming a lorry driver, it takes years, not a couple of months.
Along that route there will be good and bad companies, and our new driver might be good in his own eyes, but when he’s been in the job for 15 years and learned something he might well realise he was a numpty for the first two or three…imagine most of us would like to turn the clock back and undo some of the stupid antics and crass things we said and did when we were younger and greener, its highly possible our OP here might look back at this episode in 15 years time (if he’s still in the industry) and wish he had gone about thing differently.
The second sentence is the route to getting the best out of the job, ‘‘taking pride’’ is so alien to some here, by not taking a pride and gaining the reputation that quietly accompanies doing so effectively rules many out of ever progressing into the better jobs.
No the best jobs won’t pay footballers wages, but a good living can be made which peaks when most careers (unless you make the top rungs) are waning or might well have spat you out and disposed of you long ago.
By nature most long served lorry drivers are loners, its not a way of life for everyone but for those who make a success out of it, then it provides the working environment they need, and a decent living to boot…could be far worse.
My take on this thread was that someone asked for advice what to do, but had already made up their mind after jacking the job in with bad feelings.
Some of us tried to give give considered advice, but unless we said what was wanted we were dismissed by the OP and some others who jumped on his bandwagon.
We didn’t offer unwanted advice, we did as was asked, put out tuppenceworths in, if people only want a pat on the head and their already chosen course of action endorsed then say so and those of us (who might just have an OP’s interests at heart when he can’t see the dangers) who think differently can ignore the question.
newmercman:
Mike-C:
miketaurus:
As one highly experienced driver said while I was a passenger “Make a mistake in one of these and you could take out a family” …Phew!! Makes you think doesn’t it?
Of the children?
Have said something similar to an office bod, “you make a mistake and a bit of freight may be delayed, I make a mistake and it could result in carnage”
It don’t take a lot of brains to be a trucker but it requires a lot common sense
In the office they seem to have lots of brains but very little common sense
chicane:
newmercman:
Mike-C:
miketaurus:
As one highly experienced driver said while I was a passenger “Make a mistake in one of these and you could take out a family” …Phew!! Makes you think doesn’t it?
Of the children?
Have said something similar to an office bod, “you make a mistake and a bit of freight may be delayed, I make a mistake and it could result in carnage”
Yes 
Has the OP ■■■■■■ of into the distance never to be seen again? If he has it’s a bit of a childish way to do things, I mean if he thought that coming onto Trucknet UK and explaining his situation he was going to get 100% positive responses off everyone then he’s very much mistaken.
That’s the beauty of an open forum and debate, everyone has a different opinion to someone else, some people agree, some don’t,some will think you are an idiot,some won’t. Yes people will argue with you and throw their teddys out the pram in one thread then agree with you or sing your praises in another.
It’s happend to me and I’ve gave it out to others, it’s nothing personal against you,me or anyone else, when you join forums like this you should join with a thick skin because if you haven’t got one you will soon be found out. If I was the OP and if he is still reading this I’d take even the negative responses as sound advice and if he said he’s a newbie to this industry, he’s going to have a hell of a lot of negative feedback to come, so the best bit of advice I can other him is learn to deal with it and move on, tomorrow is another day 
newmercman:
Pyscho Sarah doesn’t appear to take any prisoners, but then there was a Sarah in my distant past and although she never had a degree, she was definitely a bit ■■■■■■The good thing about the gulf between the bottom and the top of the lorry driver genre is that it isn’t too difficult to separate yourself from the greasy hiviz wearing knuckle draggers and get into the higher echelons.
It won’t bring fame and fortune, but it can make the difference between being able to carry on within the industry that we know and love, or having to get out because we know we could provide better for our family.
So in reality, we need the lowest common denominator types, because as in all walks of life, good doesn’t look good until you have bad as a comparison
I have had a couple of girls like that absolutely mental 
Well the pay is slowly being eroded for drivers and I feel for the people who have young family’s who have to live with that. It seems companies are pushing the money down to around £7.00/£7.50 ph
I quite like the camaraderie and the fact that drivers have the ability to spontaneously just have a conversation.
Going back to the OP thread I hope we hear something back. If it is a big firm as he suggested (Presuming its a he) well it wont just be in the parish magazine will it.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Has the OP ■■■■■■ of into the distance never to be seen again? If he has it’s a bit of a childish way to do things, I mean if he thought that coming onto Trucknet UK and explaining his situation he was going to get 100% positive responses off everyone then he’s very much mistaken.
That’s the beauty of an open forum and debate, everyone has a different opinion to someone else, some people agree, some don’t,some will think you are an idiot,some won’t. Yes people will argue with you and throw their teddys out the pram in one thread then agree with you or sing your praises in another.
It’s happend to me and I’ve gave it out to others, it’s nothing personal against you,me or anyone else, when you join forums like this you should join with a thick skin because if you haven’t got one you will soon be found out. If I was the OP and if he is still reading this I’d take even the negative responses as sound advice and if he said he’s a newbie to this industry, he’s going to have a hell of a lot of negative feedback to come, so the best bit of advice I can other him is learn to deal with it and move on, tomorrow is another day
If you mean the OP needs to grow a set!! then yes 
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Has the OP ■■■■■■ of into the distance never to be seen again? If he has it’s a bit of a childish way to do things, I mean if he thought that coming onto Trucknet UK and explaining his situation he was going to get 100% positive responses off everyone then he’s very much mistaken.
That’s the beauty of an open forum and debate, everyone has a different opinion to someone else, some people agree, some don’t,some will think you are an idiot,some won’t. Yes people will argue with you and throw their teddys out the pram in one thread then agree with you or sing your praises in another.
It’s happend to me and I’ve gave it out to others, it’s nothing personal against you,me or anyone else, when you join forums like this you should join with a thick skin because if you haven’t got one you will soon be found out. If I was the OP and if he is still reading this I’d take even the negative responses as sound advice and if he said he’s a newbie to this industry, he’s going to have a hell of a lot of negative feedback to come, so the best bit of advice I can other him is learn to deal with it and move on, tomorrow is another day
Glad to read that somebody treats a forum the same way that I do, nothing is personal, my responses are to the words I see written and nothing more
It is hard at times to convey what you really mean, the written word is easier to misinterpret than than the spoken word, so sometimes it’s easy to get the wrong end of the stick
Well, did they find nemo in the end or not?
as usual for this place, what a good read on a dreary afternoon.
miketaurus:
I quite like the camaraderie and the fact that drivers have the ability to spontaneously just have a conversation.
That’ll wear off you after a while
Mike-C:
miketaurus:
I quite like the camaraderie and the fact that drivers have the ability to spontaneously just have a conversation.That’ll wear off you after a while
Oh!! 
Brucewillis:
dieseldog999:
Conor:
dieseldog999:
+1…jobsworth in a normal job,= best leave and get a beancounter job elsewhere…diff strokes,difffolks… i couldnt work for a agency type job as the space bar on my keyboard is stuck and seldom works,plus i dont look at the screen when im typing,tho its not rocket science to rear what i type? or is it??it would be an insult to my itintlligence,with the pride of the british transport industryslogic of,how little can i do,for the most money…hence british leylandsdemise/steelworks/miners,and every other [zb] worker with the same attitude,work for who you want to work,work how you want,for who you want,if you dont like it,leave,leve the work to the workers with a bit of hands on gumtion,Insult to your intelligence? That babbling pile of illiterate ■■■■■■■■ shows you don’t have any. Dumb retarded halfwits like you are one of the reasons I’m glad I’m no longer doing the job as it means I’m no longer associated with knuckle draggers like you.
and there was me thinking i was quite intelligent with my int,and nat cpc,own business,and numerous qualifications.your quote…I’m glad I’m no longer doing the job …best thing for all,im sure your ex employers rubbing his hands and grinning as to how the easiest way to getrid of you would have been,you just made it easy for him,leaving the rest of themto get on with the job in hand the way that suits them best…( minus the jobsworths)…some folk are best suited to working for the supermarket brigade,and leaving their brain in the carpark till its time to pick it up on the way home,plobplobplob,i only do 52 max then backoff when someone overtakes me,plobplobplob,im working when im sleeping in a queue for 3 hours,so after im tipped il need to parkup outside the gates and take a 45,plobplobplob,im working when im tipping,plobplobplob,i might hit traffic on the m6 so i best stop driving after 2 hours,and look for somewhere to park up for the night,plobplobplob,im going to run out of time before i get home,so il park up and expect them to send a taxi,or put me up in a hotel ffs…i wonder how many subbies would be looking to give you a job,dont hold your breath,agency work for you possibly seeing as how your obviously such a valuable asset to a hands on company?
I don’t mean to sound like I’m insulting you. But if you were to write coherently your posts might be understood. At the moment your lack of punctuation and bad grammar is making you out to look quite stupid. Sorry!
the space bar on my keyboard is stuck and seldom works,plus i dont look at the screen when im typing,though its not rocket science to rear what i type? or is it??
Report them now m8 before they kill someone.
That could be one of your family or you could even read in the local paper one day that this toe rag of a manager has caused an accident. Could you live with yourself then? Do it phone visa you will be doing your ex buddies a favour.
dieseldog999:
the space bar on my keyboard is stuck and seldom works,plus i dont look at the screen when im typing,though its not rocket science to rear what i type? or is it??
Yep, you’re dead right mate, it isn’t rocket science to rear (?) what you type.
Might be handy to check it once in a while though.
