And the other driver has nothing what so ever to do with him.
Dafman:
And the other driver has nothing what so ever to do with him.
That is complete ■■■■■■■■!
Do you really think that people should be able to do your job without taking a test like you did?
The whole point of the driver not having a licence part of the post (or failing to provide it to the TM) was to point out the shoddy way that the depot was being run 
Dafman:
He was told to tell Vosa but has he, and the alleged overloaded lorries, what did he do about that. You either sort it with the boss, get a new job and grass them up or ask for advice and then when it’s given moan that your being picked on like a flaming three year old.Oh and when we disagree we get accused of being an older driver and not wanting to help, a lot of the older drivers on here would go out of there way to help anyone.
Tell your mate take the advice and do something about it.
So why is telling VOSA the way to go? All that would achieve is to drop your work mates in the ■■■■ 
Going to the boss wasn’t going to work, he did that and was met with apathy
He did (not from me I hasten to add) get some constructive advice, which he has taken, if he chooses to reveal his course of action that’s up to him.
Following forum rules I cannot reveal the contents of a PM without his agreement and as he has disappeared that doesn’t look likely at the moment.
I don’t know the facts about the job myself, I only know what I’ve read on here, as I said I would’ve taken a different course of action entirely, in fact I wouldn’t have been on that job in the first place, but that’s a different story altogether…
I have just read these pages and an awful lot does’nt add up from the op’s post. I have done quite alot of supermarket work, in rigid and artics, and have never had a truck any where near max gross weight, they cube out long before they gross out! Also, I have never been able to complete a drop in 2-3 mins, it takes longer than that to find someone in the shop who will find the back door staff or manager! Also, I cant see why it bothers him that drivers are asked to drive vans for cash in hand!
Nope, cash in hand doesn’t worry me either.
newmercman:
Dafman:
He was told to tell Vosa but has he, and the alleged overloaded lorries, what did he do about that. You either sort it with the boss, get a new job and grass them up or ask for advice and then when it’s given moan that your being picked on like a flaming three year old.Oh and when we disagree we get accused of being an older driver and not wanting to help, a lot of the older drivers on here would go out of there way to help anyone.
Tell your mate take the advice and do something about it.So why is telling VOSA the way to go? All that would achieve is to drop your work mates in the [zb]
Going to the boss wasn’t going to work, he did that and was met with apathy
He did (not from me I hasten to add) get some constructive advice, which he has taken, if he chooses to reveal his course of action that’s up to him.
Following forum rules I cannot reveal the contents of a PM without his agreement and as he has disappeared that doesn’t look likely at the moment.
I don’t know the facts about the job myself, I only know what I’ve read on here, as I said I would’ve taken a different course of action entirely, in fact I wouldn’t have been on that job in the first place, but that’s a different story altogether…
Me neither but he will learn, like you and me, keep your gob shut and move on to a different job that’s the thing to do.
The most amazing thing about this thread is that due to drivers having different ideas on dealing with this “Very serious predicament”, they are then being told that drivers are treated the way they are because no solidarity exists between us? Sorry for living in a democratic society where free speech and free thinking is permitted. There’s been a lot of good arguments and points on this thread. I’m afraid that particular argument is utter ■■■■.
Reubs766:
The most amazing thing about this thread is that due to drivers having different ideas on dealing with this “Very serious predicament”, they are then being told that drivers are treated the way they are because no solidarity exists between us? Sorry for living in a democratic society where free speech and free thinking is permitted. There’s been a lot of good arguments and points on this thread. I’m afraid that particular argument is utter [zb].
I agree, a lot of good points have been made, but not everyone agrees, read my first post on the subject, you will see that my personal opinion doesn’t put me in the grass em up camp, I’m more of a shape up or ship out type of bloke.
The different opinions given only emphasize my point about no solidarity, put four drivers together and they couldn’t agree on the price of a free cup of tea.
My own opinion about that is thank ■■■■ for that, there is no way I would want other drivers speaking for me 
Lets be clear on one thing,there is no solidarity.there is no such thing anymore.everybody looks out for there self.from overtime to getting to getting to the fuel pumps first.its dog eat dog.i do not expect any back up from anyone i work with and i will not give any.does that make me a bad person or the same as eveyone else
My opinion on this topic is very similar to yours in the fact that if a certain job doesn’t work for a particular person, then they have the right to vote, with their feet, and find something which better suits them.
My personal opinion on why drivers get treated like they do is because a lot of drivers see themselves as something they’re not. Many feel they’re up there with teachers, doctors, and lawyers. They’re often ignorant, and highly strung. They tell people how the country wouldn’t cope without them personally driving that wagon. Well, there’s over 60 million people in the UK, and many of them are drivers. One single driver isn’t going to carry the responsibility of the world, but he is enough to tar the thoughts that people have of drivers in general.
I’ve got a degree in psychology. I might go back to university to do a PhD - maybe along the lines of “HGV drivers’ rationality towards legislation, health and safety, and working practices”…
It has been said elsewhere in this thread that companies do not like grasses…And also that companies no longer talk to each other as they did in the past…ok, read on
One of the “perks” of my job is to vet CVs from prospective drivers; in that respect I do, if allowed by prospective drivers, contact other companies’ TMs and chat to them. They also chat to my TM or myself if his/my name has been given as a reference. Sometimes the topic changes to other things such as company XYZ in general…
My TM and ‘O’ licence holder have made it very clear that they only want drivers who run legit, so they are very tight on offences, including but not inclusive of; all infringements for tacho offences (most of them are insufficient second breaks) are signed for and placed in the driver’s file; speeding for more than 30/60seconds (depending on the digital tacho unit fitted to the vehicle) are signed for; any non-endorsable damage to vehicles not signed for at the beginning and end of shift…
Persistant offending can lead to a discplinary.
Not only will the driver will get the blame; the TM and ‘O’ licence holder can also find themselves in the dock for allowing the driver to do so, and neither my TM not ‘O’ licence holder wants that.
I’m not saying that my company as a whole is 100% perfect, offences do happen; but any rumours regarding persistant tacho offences/vehicle defects that head office hear about results in a visit from the transport director. And Tachomaster now makes it hard for head office not to hear about tacho problems 
Both my TM and ‘O’ licence holder have agreed that six months is long enough for a driver to decide that a company runs legit or not. So if I receive a CV from a driver who was employed for more than six months by a company with a reputation for running bent, that CV goes straight in the bin.
But putting not happy with a employers’ working practices/attititude to regulations as a reason for leaving soon after starting employment does not preclude the CV making its merry way to the filing cabiniet marked Recycling B1N. Afterall, the site manager and TM can ask any relevant questions at an interview. But if you’re prepared to possibly continually run bent then you won’t get an interview with my depot.
I’m also prepared to stand up for drivers; I’ve had numerous arguments with the manager in charge of organising night runs - eg, you can’t have him on break there because that depot requires him to tip/load, so he’ll have to have a break afterwards, and because of the need for him to get to the next depot to make connections you’ve only given him a 15 minute break which means he’ll be over his six hour working time limit so will need to stop en route before reaching the second depot which the company forbids except in extenuating circumstances, but if you give him a 30 minute break he’ll be late into the next depot anyway thereby missing the connections there so if you hold those connecting vehicles they will leave late and thus be late back to their depots and connections there will run late. And anyway even if you give him a 30 minute break after the first depot he’ll still need another 30 minute break to comply with tacho laws so he’ll be very late into the third depot ruining connections there and he’s on the limit of his running times anyway… And they pay him £50k per annum and a great big **** off car
I love my job; I’ve not lost an argument yet.
To the OP, or rather, as it appears to have been resolved, anyone else in the same predicament, only you can decide what to do.
IF what you say is true, and IF your conscience says that the needs of the masses outweighs the needs of the individual then inform.
IF what you’ve said is true but you are more concerned about your (ex) co-workers losing their jobs, then don’t inform.
Bloody Hell Sarah, I’m glad you didn’t vet me for my current job, I probably wouldn’tve got it.
My head was aching after reading her post.
Ken.
■■■■■■_sarah:
and because of the need for him to get to the next depot to make connections you’ve only given him a 15 minute break which means he’ll be over his six hour working time limit so will need to stop en route before reaching the second depot which the company forbids except in extenuating circumstances, but if you give him a 30 minute break he’ll be late into the next depot anyway
Well, as a 15 minute break is all that is needed to cover the 6 hour Working Time limit, that’s one argument lost already 
Roymondo:
■■■■■■_sarah:
and because of the need for him to get to the next depot to make connections you’ve only given him a 15 minute break which means he’ll be over his six hour working time limit so will need to stop en route before reaching the second depot which the company forbids except in extenuating circumstances, but if you give him a 30 minute break he’ll be late into the next depot anywayWell, as a 15 minute break is all that is needed to cover the 6 hour Working Time limit, that’s one argument lost already
Be careful, with a comment as in depth as hers, and a name like ■■■■■■_sarah, I feel you’re being very brave, heh heh.
So, ■■■■■■_sarah, after all that, would you interview the OP or not? Of what I can understand, he’s left too early, and so his CV will go in the bin. . . BUT, if he’d have stayed there for a reasonable length of time (6 months), and known for definite that they were cowboys, he wouldn’t get an interview because of the firm he comes from?
Either way, the poor chap can’t win, so your entire comment is pointless on this particular thread. . .
corij:
prob takes years to be able to guess if a trucks over its weight , even then youd have to drive it to make a good accurate guess
aye if the ride height gaged mostly by distance between tyre- wheelarch and a good chunk of tyre gettin squished out coz the weight ratings are exeeded.! I doubt hes seen this tho. Just another curve for another day 
Quinny:
My head was aching after reading her post.Ken.
i had to go lie down for a nap… 
Started reading a book last Wednesday,quite an interesting subject.Got up this morning,to find the last two pages torn out 
.anyone know how it ends?
Regards John.
■■■■■■_sarah:
I’ve got a degree in psychology.
I fail to see the relevance of your opening comment to this thread. Didn’t Mauren Lipmans character “Beattie” have a grandson with an ology in the TV ads for BT back in the dark ages of the 80’s? Don’t get me wrong education is a wonderful thing but some really clever people in one field are really dumb in other fields. And as Roymondo has intimated 15 minutes may well be all that is required to run within the RTD regs.
Think the o/p is now after a job as a traffic warden, should fit right in!